Things the prequels did better than the shitquels

Pic related, George had character designs down.

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Explain me this. Lucas said that when he was doing the first star wars he was just making the movie and didn't really had a full lore. But the movie itself introduces so much stuff. Like this whole jedi order, sith, ben mentions clone wars and this stuff about his previous name and who he was. It doesn't seem shallow at all. It seems like it was given a lot of thought and that he actually had some basic lore created already.
I am especially interested in how he mentions clone wars and says that he was fighting in them as a jedi knight.

>dude the entire clone war just happens to involve a billion duplicates of the toy that sold really well from V and VI

Making the Fetts so central to the franchise was lazy and stupid.

Dudes a cinematic genius, but he does a lot of dumb shit for the sake of money.
I bet you his script for Episode 7 was a lot more interesting than the one we got

>You fought in the clone wars?
>Yes.
Full lore.

>"Ey Bro, you best wind ya neck in 'oright?"

It's pretty simple. Lucas didn't have the full backstory for the stuff worked out, and the story eventually ended up changing anyway as the series progressed. For easy proof, just read the original novelizations and see how different everything is.

All three movies in the OT basically happened in different continuities, and were only tied together with a bunch of ass pulling and stuff like "from a certain point of view." It works, but once you know the history of the franchise, things start sticking out.

I don't think the sith was mentioned
And I believe obi wan originally said colonial wars and it was edited in later released to be clone wars

he wanted more child actors. he's not a sane man.

Sheev's development and character is better than any shit Rian could ever dream up.

Well, I mean the whole talk between Ben and Luke is pretty short but it is played so well and the dialogs are so good that in a couple of minutes it actually manages to establish some of the lore. The jedi order, the fact that it was large, the clone wars (and that they important for the universe), empire's destruction of jedi order, the creation of darth vader.
I just find it fascinating how well thought out episode 4 was. It is no wonder it became so huge. A fucking masterpiece. And how prequels filled that lore. It literally makes you think that the whole 6 movies were written before filming episode 4. A great movie.
Modern star wars just focuses on action and how cool rey is. It is in the present. It lacks any lore at all. It might have been another universe and nobody would notice.

>colinal wars
that would've been interesting.

>sound design
>character design
>planet design
>universal worldbuilding
>thematic bridges
>fight choreography that makes sense in the time period
>everything about sheev
>anakins hatred towards the indifferent jedi
>obi wan
>sexual metaphors in regards to anakin and padme
>everything about the slave 1
>variation in droid designs
>darth maul
>actual character arcs
>cgi that still holds up compared to TLJ which had me squinting at what the fuck was going on
>the tragedy of vader
>the pain of obi wan
>the duel in the senate with palpatine throwing the goddamn galaxy through senate pods at yoda who is all alone and barely keeping up, a great metaphor for palpatines total complete control and yodas new status as a failed jedi hermit

>I don't think the sith was mentioned
This is correct. The OT never mentions the Sith; the word was used in the novelization of Star Wars, but never explained.

>I believe obi wan originally said colonial wars and it was edited in later released to be clone wars
This is not correct. It was always Clone Wars, but it's pretty doubtful that Lucas had a story worked out for it. Most people assumed it involved Jedi fighting clones, possible of other Jedi. That's why some early EU material, like the Thrawn Trilogy, mentions Jedi being cloned in the war.

coolest star wars character ever

>And how prequels filled that lore. It literally makes you think that the whole 6 movies were written
Go back and watch the OT again, and pretend you don't know anything from the prequels. One of the main complaints the prequels got during their release was how much they contradicted information in the OT.

MIDICHLORIANS LMAO

nah

The world of the prequels was really interesting.
This video about the prequels is really interesting. I had no idea there were this many miniatures.
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>The OT never mentions the Sith
wasn't Vader the sith lord?

I would have cringed at this.

But holy fuck, Liam Neeson can make any dialogue sound good. Even if it completely shits on the canon.

>Liam Neeson is better casting than TLJ or TFA could ever hope to match

The truth is that Marcia Lucas edited and adjusted the original trilogy to make them classics. Once she was gone you got the prequels because George couldn't stomach the idea that his (ex) wife was more talented at an aspect of filmmaking than he was. Wouldn't you know it, the prequel trilogy is about a super talented guy whose downfall comes from getting married.

Episode 2
the sound effect for slave 1's seismic charges redeemed the cgi shitfest it was

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He was great. I love the fact he was willing to play Qui-Gon's force ghost for like 1 episode of the Clone Wars

It's not mentioned in the movies. Again, the SW novelization mentions that he's a "Lord of the Sith," but that was never explained, and most people just assumed it a nonsense word Lucas ripped off from the John Carter novels. Timothy Zahn originally planned on explaining the title by calling an alien race that worshiped him the Sith (and his mask was going to be retconned as designed to resemble them), but that idea got nixed and he changed the name to Noghri.

Some parts of the development of the prequels make it almost hilariously obvious that Lucas planned almost nothing out. In a few interviews, he even admitted that he accidentaly left 60-80% of the story he wanted to tell until ROTS, and regretting it.

who ?

they are just offhand comments but in hindisght they seem preminiscent just because they have now been developed in full. in reality they could have chosen other things to flesh out or do it completely different and it would still feel like it was all planned from the start

he looks like a beetleborg

not a bad thing, just n observation

none of the sequels have anything like Dark Maul fight w/duel of the fates, the only thing that comes close to that emotion is the trailer for episode 7 before the actual movie fucked up all possible potential that the sequels had.

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>Corsucant's aesthetic


Lucas' world building is unmatched

The music.

>19 BBY

What the shit, how old was Luke when he blew the Death Star?

Fucking this.
I know, people here hate prequels but for me, a person that saw them in childhood, it is a great wonder how anyone would ever compare this disney shit to prequels.
Best duels, great music, great world building, fucking roger roger best droid ever, sheev, obi wan.
Prequels were great. And TLJ killed the universe.

19, according to the canon since ROTS was released.

B A S E D

>boba fett but grey

>stormtroopers but with boba fett helmets

The prequels soundtrack were arguably John Williams' magnum opus.

With the current trilogy, it's been pretty disappointing, don't know if it's age/less creativity/not working with Lucas or all three, but they've beenlackluster.

Copy other movies and replace things with cool terms

It's not fucking rocket science dude, I doubt that he had anything beyond some terms and a vague outline of the trilogy's story when he started. There are EU comic book writers that probably spent more time thinking about this gay shit than he did to make them.

In OT the conflict between Empire and Rebels was a serious thing. Empire was ruthless. Darth Vader, Tarkin. Can you imagine Han Solo prank calling Tarkin? Of course not. It is not a fucking child comedy.

>Stormtrooper but silver
>Only role in the story is to get bitched on

At least Lucas knew how to utilise his characters, Jango was the best part about episode II

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a jedi padawan gone assassin, gone sith apprentice, gone assassin, gone bounty hunter, gone solo, gone good, gone assassin, settled down, but died for revenge in the end

Under George
>John let's sit down on go over the scenes the sound track will cover
>Passion in project
>Writes music not only to match but expand the drama

Under Disney
>John write some music for some sci-fi shit no we don't care what we just want your name attached to it

He hadn't even decided what most of those things actually were. Clone wars? They were cool sounding sci-fi terms thrown around to make it seem like there was something going on the movie's universe beyond what was shown.

So... What was the purpose of his character?

I believe besides the novel also other merchandising like the box for the action figure labeled him "the Dark Lord of the Sith"

The term Sith Lord wasn't used before the prequels.

>dude the clone wars involves a billion duplicate clones LMAO!
You're a brainlet.

You should honestly be thankful the clone wars wasn't about the same clones fighting for both factions. Because that's what I thought it was gonna be like, luckily there were droids involved

midichlorians are just the go-between. They are the mitochondira of the force. They don't equate the force and they dont contorl the force theyre just why beings like Gamoreans can't use it reeeeeeee

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Before TPM came out, George always compared the Force to Kung Fu and talk about how anyone could use it as long as they trained for long enough. Then, he introduced midichlorians and included a dialogue scene that sort of equates them to power levels as a way to quantify Anakin having more potential than anyone else in the universe.

The idea that someone's force ability (or potential) is something quantifiable does shit on the lore of the OT. No one would have cared if that "he has more midchlorians than even master Yoda!" scene hadn't been included.

The Prequels were KINO?

Holy fuck

the love theme from episode two was the best music of the prequels

Anyone can learn kung fu, but some people will be genetically more inclined to it than others. Some people are just bred faster or stronger than others.

>that raspy roger roger droid
>Luke blew up the death star at 19 and I'm 22 and can barely complete college

Luke was feared by Sheev and sought after by the Jedi because of his Skywalker blood. If anyone can use the force, then there would be no point to Luke's story.

>posts a color swap version of an OT character.
I know what you're saying OP. But did you go to the Retard School of Debate?

Honestly the only thing I can appreciate about the shitquels are the designs. Ship designs, costume designs, world designs.
I wonder how much Lucas really put into it though.
He could have just said
>uh I want some bad men
And a talented artists drew up some sketches.

>Retarded OTfag claims anyone can learn the force
>The only new force users in the OT were skywalkers

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That still has no bearing on making someone ability a quantifiable thing. Yeah, some people are going to be better at it than others, but someone's ability was always supposed to be determined by their determination and focus. That's the entire point of the scenes with Yoda in ESB. He's a tiny, unassuming alien who's powerful as fuck and keeps giving Luke talks about how we're more than matter and the importance of concentration.

Again, the issue is that that whole scene about midichlorian counts.

>>posts a color swap version of an OT character.
Jango Fett
>gives Zam magapedes to kill padme
>snipes Zam with a dart
>jetpacks away
>stoic/smug stand off with obi-wan
>"possibly"
>"always a pleasure to meet a jedi"
>talks to boba in Mandalorian or Huttese
>TWO pistols
>hand-to-hand fights Obi-wan
>jet pack rockets
>arm-blades grind the wet metal to save him
>flies the Slave I so everything cool about the Slave I reflects on him
>"don't move Jedi" while backed by many Droidekas ( Qui-gon and Obi-wan ran from only two of them in Episode I)
>stoic when a purple lightsaber is ignited in his face
>Flame thrower
>saves Dooku from Jedi Dinosaur
>Pistol twirls
>sees the Jedi losing to an army of battle droids but flies down because he loves fighting
>probably kills a few no name jedi off-screen
>kills the alien rhino
>dies in an extremely badass beheading while he never backed down from challenging Mace Windu

Compare to Boba Fett
>exists

But then why doesn't everyone try out to be a Jedi?

The way I've always seen it, some people will be "stronger" in the force and can lift more rocks or duel better. But the real strength of the force came from submitting to its will. Yoda and Obi wanted Luke to kill his father, but we already know from their past failures as Jedi that their advice isn't perfect. Luke rejected that path, dug deep, and beat the obviously more powerful emporer without overpowering him. Whether by accident or not, he won because he allowed his fate to be decided by an even higher power than shooting lightning from your fingertips.

>George had character designs down
OHNONONONO

>Kasdan: The Force was available to anyone who could hook into it?
>Lucas: Yes, everybody can do it.
>Kasdan: Not just the Jedi?
>Lucas: It’s just the Jedi who take the time to do it.
>Marquand: They use it as a technique.
>Lucas: Like yoga. If you want to take the time to do it, you can do it; but the ones that really want to do it are the ones who are into that kind of thing. Also like karate. Also another misconception is that Yoda teaches Jedi, but he is like a guru; he doesn’t go out and fight anybody.

Not everyone wants to, or has the time or dedication.

lucas was pretty good at artistic direction, everything in soywars is ripped off from his designs

Everything.

Music was awesome, on par with the originals. Music on the sequels is entirely forgettable. I can't remember a single track from TFA or TLJ that's not from the originals.

Locations were awesome and not just another iteration of locations from the originals.

Most of the characters were kind of bland, but the ones in the sequels are extremely annoying and any weight that they could hold gets utterly destroyed by a shitfest of stupid puns.

The prequels were consistent with the originals. There were a couple of plot holes or licenses in this consistency that mainstream media has overexposed because it was cool and edgy to hate on the prequels, but nothing to the level of blowing star systems on the other corner of the galaxy in 5 secs, acquiring knowledge of the force in 1 day, superman Leia, destroying entire fleets with an hyperdrive, etc.

The directing in the prequels is not by any means awesome but dear god is the directing in TFA and mostly TLJ awful (even when I personally dislike TFA more because it is a vile rehash).

I could go on but I don't want to turn this into a blog post. At the end of the day the worst is that these new movies don't feel Star Wars.

looks good?

>dies like a bitch
seems pretty accurate

Also, I know you're a shitquel fag so reading might not be your thing. But the OP says character design.

None of that shit is a design.

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Lucas was the best part of star wars

I find it hilarious that there are retards on Sup Forums that claim Lucas's wife was the mind behind OT. Luca's fucking wife, a woman, would be the one with the brain capacity to create literally anything of value. lmao give me a fucking break.

And no, there was hardly anything wrong with the prequels either. You're just a political brainlet that couldn't deal with the fact it wasn't a Hero's Journey theme anymore, and you had to actually activate your almonds to process the conflict. Since it wasn't Hitler = Evil, Castro's revolutionaries = Good this time around.

George Lucas was the mind, soul, and heart of Star Wars. Deal with it.

>"Hey bro, keep talking like that and I'll be putting my boot up your arsehole, 'oright?"

Nothing wrong with the design of that character

It was lazy but it wasn't stupid, because the goal was to sell more toys.

>>dies like a bitch
Jesus are you 12?

>Fat Boba Fett

Obviously, I'm in a Star Wars thread.

Explain Grievous without referencing the cartoon. What did he do in the movies other than completely job and run away a lot?

Wow if it isn't the most reddit of the current revisionist star wars trends. Come back when you actually understand anything about filmmaking and realised that what you just posted exposes your total ignorance.

Since day one I always loved Coruscant and I always freakin loved the SENATE. As a matter of fact I would have unironically loved more senate scenes (glad we had some more with the tv show). But just imagine how cringy it would be now in the hands of the infamous mouse...

>Honestly the only thing I can appreciate about the shitquels are the designs. Ship designs, costume designs, world designs.
>I wonder how much Lucas really put into it though.

He puts a fair share into it actually. Lucas spent a full year and then some on doing nothing but concept art for TPM. This is how he began production on every prequel, by doing a shit ton of conceptual art. Have a look at any art book from the prequels, the stuff is pretty fucking neat, diverse and developed in several directions. Anyone can tell there's a serious creative process at play there.
During the prequels production days his core art team worked for years, jumping straight into early designs for the next episode as soon as each one were completed.

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Im noticing when he keeps saying "full scale effect" the beautiful sets are clashing with jarring cgi rather than using the cgi to enhance the practicals.

........making army of clones based on his dna?

I think it's pretty funny how the longest living character Movie wise is Rex the clone. He's actually in the movie. He's the old white haired dude on craiite who pulls up the binocs. He's got a clone wars pistol strapped to his waist. He would be late 60's early 70's

The mistake was explained here Even then, if the prequels would have come out today instead of when they did. They would have done A STAR WARS STORY: CLONE WARS movie inbetween episode II and III. And his character would have been officially well development. Sadly (or luckily?) the prequels came out in an era where no one intended to milk their franchises dry and no one considered releasing side-movies like Disney is doing now.

Wait Rex is in TLJ, I thought he got killed off in rebels

The fact that he left too much of the story for RotS is obvious. I remember going out of the cinema feeling like the movie was rushed, and that there were too many things going on.

>cloned Jedi are now impossible
I do love retcons, also why couldn’t Luke breaking his robot arm because of crashing a ship be true, that was such a cool spoiler

That's not an explanation of his role in the movie.

stunts
anakin and obi-wan used to do cool force jumps, rey and kylo just jump like normal human beings

Yes, it is. You just want to win like the little child you are and don't really care about anything else.

The movie was rushed, and George's characters were butchered for it. They don't count to your gay argument because there are situations at hands that fucked Grievous character up.

There was no rushing in TFA and TLJ so there is no excuse for Brienne of Tarth to be butchered.

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>General of the droid army
>Responsible for the chancellors kidnapping, which is the cause for the initial battle over Courscant
>Responsible for the deaths of numerous Jedi
>Clearly a formidable fighter
>Kenobi was dispatched to Utapau in order to find him, there was an actual motivation for the two to meet

Meanwhile
>Phasma is just there in TFA before being shoved down a garbage chute
>Appears out of nowhere in the last third of the film exclusively to have a fight with Finn
>Dies

At least Grevious had an impact on the story, albeit not a massive one

TLJ and TFA are both subject to massive character motivation issues.

Try this:
Sun =light, hope
Twin suns = twin skywalkers

Tell me he isn't a genius. Go ahead.

Oh fuck can't unsee now

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Aside: Grievous had great concept art. Sith lord worthy and scary. Wish George didn’t hunch him over with a cartoon voice.

>before the prequels, people thought Obi Wan could be "Obi One" i.e. the person from whom all the clones of the clone wars he mentions are made

What were other theories people had before the prequels? No EU book autism

He only died because his jet pack malfunctions. After that faggot rhino runs him over, you can see him try to fly away from Windu but his pack just lets out a puff of smoke.