TLJ was a great movie

And frankly, none of the criticisms I heard so far make any sense to me.

In fact, I'm just getting the impression that most people who do hate it, do so because of their political convictions. You will deny that, and yet this board is somehow still filled with Sup Forumstard nonsense.

lol....oh man I can't breath... *inhales*

Kylo succeeds hahahahaha

Right... in a fan faction version so delusional deviantart won't even except it.

Like...everything else aside..that shit was sheer stupidity that should be evident regardless of political leaning or ideology.

Whats your account? Or are you too scared to post it, tourist?

Sup Forumstarded literallly just means normal in today's context though. People aren't special for believing in the things that people have believed in for thousands of years.

Contemporary media has Nazified normalcy.

Haven't even posted in that thread t.b.h.

I just agree with it. I think setting up Kylo as the main villain to deal with makes Rey and co.'s struggle against the First Order much more personal. With Snoke, it's just another old bad guy on a throne... and an opportunity for Kylo to turn, just as Vader has.

But now Kylo has no master. All his choices are entirely his own. Which makes everything much more complicated.

Is this bait?

Not really, I'm serious. All I'm seeing is kneejerk reactions. Whether it's about a female protag being strong in the Force, or about the female admiral having purple hair, or about a diverse cast, or some other "SJW" nonsense, most of it pulled from clickbait articles or cherrypicked twitter comments, most of them literally whos.

It's the same homemade propaganda as ever, with zero discussion about the actual movie.

>Kylo succeeds
Well, when you make Snoke a literal blind and retard man, is hard not to succeed. It was comically as fuck, probably the only joke that worked in that movie

>Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!

• Bombs can’t drop in space. Nothing “drops” in space.

• Rose’s sister (one half of the yin yang pendant) exposed to vacuum, does not get sucked out. The explosion kills her, not the exposure.

• Leia exposed to vacuum and survives.

• Leia can drift through space now. New Force rule?

• Snoke is angry with Hux for losing the rebels. Hux tells him they’re tracking them. How does Snoke not know this is possible?

• Po characterized as a trigger-happy troublemaker despite being painted as a war hero in the previous movie. True, he disobeys orders, but his pilot buddies are still with him. Now aboard the main ship, no one trusts him.

• Holdo doesn’t tell anyone the plan.

• Finn and Rose (other half of the yin yang pendant) know exactly how the First Order is tracking them after being followed once. Wait, a low-level Stormtrooper and a random rebel know this, but the “supreme leader” of the First Order doesn’t?

• Finn and Rose go to casino planet together. According to the director/writer, this was more compelling than Finn and Po, even though Po has much more incentive to leave Holdo and her ship – and Rose would be a less suspicious insider to have aboard it.

• Ham-fisted subplot about the weapons industry, animal cruelty, and the apathy of the richest 1%. This is why pairing Rose with Finn is more interesting?

• Luke, Rey, and Kylo repeat the same emotional beats for the first half of the film. We know what your motivations are, but please, keep reminding us. “I want to train.” “I’m done training.” “But I want to train.” “But I’m done training.” This goes on for a while.

• Why is there a map to Luke if he doesn't want to be found?

• Chewbacca is only in this movie for a comedic moment or two involving Porgs.

• Cutesy personalities of the Porgs don't suit the tone of the scenes on the island. Why are they there? I mean I know why they're there, but from a cinema perspective, why are they there?

• Revelations made in cheap, lazy ways through crosscut conversations between Rey and Kylo, none of which end up affecting the outcome of the film.

• Giant yin yang on Luke’s island. The film thinks it’s going somewhere with this.

• If Luke was able to sense conflict in Vader's soul, why is his first instinct when sensing darkness in Kylo's to kill him? What does he have to be so pessimistic about after successfully turning the most iconic villain in film history to the light?

• Rey ends up meeting Kylo despite Luke’s warnings. Her time with Luke doesn't change anything for her.

• People criticized Rey for being a Mary Sue in the previous film. I defended her character, thinking Luke had recognized her from training her in the past. Nope. This film explains that she is powerful because Kylo is powerful. The more he grows in one direction, the more she grows in the other. Yin yang? Mary Sue. I hate to say it, too. All of these characters were fun to watch in Ep. 7.

• Snoke mentions he played Kylo from the beginning (no hints of this) in a contrived gotcha moment.

• Kylo stabs Snoke despite being played (if we’re still to believe he was).

• Snoke doesn’t see it coming. Apparently he doesn’t see a lot of things coming. You call it hubris, I call it lazy writing. Who trusted this dude to lead an army?

• Kylo asks Rey to join him a la Vader in Ep. 5, so despite escaping the control of his master, nothing changes. Kylo’s still bad.

• Rey refuses and escapes – just like in the last movie. Rey’s still good.

No, I dislike it because is ridden with plotholes. Damn the main subplot only exists because Commander Holdinformation decided to not say shit. On top of that the whole subplot is meaningless it serves nothing, it achieved nothing.

They all ended as they started. The only character development is in Poe, he's the only one who learns something valuable and is follow blindly instructions, don't take risks.

Then there's weaponizing hyperspace which is fucking stupid and changes everything.

• Ruler of the galaxy dies and business as usual resumes without missing a beat.

• Ruler of the galaxy dies and we still know nothing about him.

• Luke is about to burn down the tree, but hesitates. Yoda does it for him, saying that Rey knows what she needs to know and the books don’t matter. Are we rebooting the Jedi as well as the Sith?

• We later discover that Rey took the books, which is why Yoda tells Luke the books don't matter. Does this mean they do matter? Are we not rebooting the Jedi and the Sith? What’s the point of this scene besides motivating Luke?

• Finn and Rose don’t meet the fabled codebreaker. They meet Benicio Del Toro, who happens to have the same skills, but predictably betrays them.

• Not that it changes anything. Rebels still screwed because the First Order mounts an attack on the main ship. But rebels also not screwed. There’s hope at the end of the movie; a random boy Force-pulls a broom.

• Was Yoda’s whole spiel about learning from failure a cheap way to justify why none of the actions taken in this film (successful or not) change anything?

• Holdo elects to stay aboard the main ship to distract the First Order while the transports escape. Why not autopilot the ship and escape with the rebels?

• Holdo watches at least 3 or 4 transports get destroyed. Seriously, why not autopilot? She’s not doing a whole lot on that bridge.

• Holdo pulls hyperdrive stunt. Why doesn't she do this ten minutes sooner?

• Why doesn't she do it through autopilot?

• Why hasn’t anyone else done this to take out a ship or planet?

• Maybe the writers made Holdo wait around precisely so that hundreds of rebels could be killed, in an effort to create tension and a sense of consequence. This is cheap way to do that.

• It also doesn't do that; again, a random boy Force-pulls a broom at the end. Rebels will be ok.

It was objectively fucking terrible

And as a side note politics should have been kept the fuck out of star wars.

>posting an image of reddit

• Phasma continues to do nothing in this trilogy. At least the action figure looks cool.

• Phasma doesn’t get much of a climax; she’s knocked to the ground and falls into space (rebel scum, amirite).

• Conveniently close planet for the rebels to hide on.

• Leia looks out at the horizon through the hangar opening. She orders the rebels to close the door in response to incoming fire. Why didn’t they close it until now?

• So Finn and Rose could crash into the hangar just in time, that's why.

• Big cannon and a lot of robo-camels for a handful of rebels.

• "Salt."

• Finn is about to risk his life to destroy the cannon. Rose risks her life to stop him. Cannon not destroyed. Worth it?

• That shoehorned kiss certainly wasn’t.

• Anyone care to explain why a romance between these two is believable?

• Luke references Kenobi’s line from Ep. 4 (“strike me down...”) when taunting Kylo, but Kylo doesn’t kill him in the same way because that would be too obvious.

• Luke dies the same way as Kenobi, but on a distant planet so we can say it’s different.

• Why exactly does he die?

• Rey and Kylo end the film in the same positions as they start. Just stronger in their convictions.

Fight me.

Don't forget
>Comes from a desert planet
>Knows how to swim

>KILL HAN SOLO
>KILL LUKE

DISNEY ABOMINATION IS NOT STAR WARS
DISNEY ABOMINATION IS NOT CANON
DISNEY ABOMINATION IS JUST AN EXPENSIVE NON-CANON FANFICTION

Here are my criticisms of the movie, Mr. Redditor.
1. The Macguffin subplot was unnecessary. Holdo should've been a better leader and at least told Poe that there was a contingency plan if help didn't arrive. Instead she was a cunt for no reason.
2. The quips and """comedic""" moments broke immersion worse than in any previous SW movie
3. Luke was a curmudgeon and didn't do anything valuable in 20+ years of life. One moment of weakness and you just accept that Kylo is murdering trillions of people without doing anything to stop him?
4. Adam Driver is a good actor but Kylo is a shit character. "Let go of the past, btw I'm a not-Sith so I'm going to not-give up the past because I don't deal in absolutes." Fucking pottery.
5. Snoke was a jobber and a bad villain (this can be remedied in future movies but the point stands for now)
6. Rey's character doesn't work if she really is a literally who (can be remedied in future movies)

This movie was on par with Attack of the Clones. Watch them both back to back and tell me you feel differently.

>• Bombs can’t drop in space. Nothing “drops” in space.
Easy, bombs are either moved downwards and released, leading them to keep their momentum. Could be also moved by the bomber's own artificial gravity.

>• Rose’s sister (one half of the yin yang pendant) exposed to vacuum, does not get sucked out. The explosion kills her, not the exposure.
>• Leia exposed to vacuum and survives.
Vacuum does not kill you right away.

>• Leia can drift through space now. New Force rule?
Force-sensitives using the Force. Big deal.

>• Snoke is angry with Hux for losing the rebels. Hux tells him they’re tracking them. How does Snoke not know this is possible?
Hyperspace tracking is explicitly stated in the movie to be a new thing.

>• Holdo doesn’t tell anyone the plan.
The First Order tracked them through hyperspace, which shouldn't be possible. There's a possibility of a mole, so you can't release all the info. She also doesn't really owe Poe detailed explanations.

>• Why is there a map to Luke if he doesn't want to be found?
Most likely, it's less "map to Skywalker" and more "map that Skywalker used to locate the first Jedi temple, which is where Skywalker went".

Aaand, it's clear I won't keep up with addressing everything, not to mention that many of the points are purely subjective, so there's that.

>Fight me

I cannot fight what is right

>makes complete sense, fear is part of the dark side
Yeah, Stalin, Pol Pot and Hitler were just full of self doubt and fear, what a load of shit. The only people who can't feel doubt are morons, fanatics, and psychopaths

You should go back

Frankly, none of the opinions I like make sense.

I don't understand why people can't see what you posted. It's all laid out as clearly as can be in the movie. A commanding officer is never accountable to the people below them, you either listen to your orders or the entire concept of a military will crumble. Poe doesn't need to know the plan and Holdo has no reason to trust him. He did just get all of their remaining fleet killed in an ineffective attack on a destroyer, he very well could be a spy with a move like that.

eh its not as bad as Sup Forums likes to harp on, but its faaaar from being a good star wars movie

average and mediocre, they got some of it right but the plot holes, ridiculous nonsense like superleia and the le disney humor stuffed into everything really tear it down

subpar showing tbqhwy

I would bet my life that all of those men had moments of doubt. Like what to eat in the morning or where to kill people next. Who to label as an enemy of the state. Did i kill enough people to suppress their rebellious attitudes. Tons of self doubt.

What hapened to KANJI CLUB?

Jesus Christ these people are freaks

>Sup Forumstarded literallly just means normal in today's context though
hahahahaha oh wow I haven't had a giggle this good in a while

while the new left and sjws are mind bogglingly retarded, their Sup Forumsish counterparts are just as autistic and moronic

He's right, a liberal a decade ago is now a nazi, even with no ideological difference

among millenials you mean

among actual humans not so much

The guy who destroyed the first order superweapon in the last film is now a spy? Are you retarded?

I saw the post. Decent point...

...except in past films, the plan would always be disclosed to the crew in a circle meeting. We do get one such scene in TLJ, but only to introduce Laura Dern. That's it. No real disclosure. Nothing that gives the crew a goal to work towards. These scenes are pivotal in previous films, yet they're being wasted in this one and you wonder why the backlash?

Yeah but a huge criticism of Force Awakens was it being too similar to previous films. The good guys get in a circle talk about the plans to destroy the bad guys with a 1 in a million chance of working and just use the force to push themselves across the finish line right before they fail. In this movie none of that happens and everybody freaks out, it's almost as if no one wants anything new from Star Wars ever and just wants to complain. Last Jedi is an objectively great movie and an amazing Star Wars movie.

Not op but my main problem isnt really with the humor it is that it clashes with the tone of the movie.

>let's copy the first film but let's do it differently so that we can say we're not copying

imbeciles. either copy or do not copy. there's no trying.

New does not equal good. And as TFA showed, old doesn’t equal good either.
>objectively

IT IS NOT A STAR WARS MOVIE IT IS NOT CANON IT IS AN EXPENSIVE DISNEY FANFICTION

FUCK YOU MURDERER OF HAN AND LUKE FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU

That's what I meant. Star Wars isn't supposed to be a light hearted comedy flick, it's a fucking space opera.

Of course, not suggesting they make it humorless, but that prank call with general Hugs was just atrocious, a horrible way to bring you into the movie.

I've heard NOBODY make this criticism, but I noticed it during the film.

Does anyone remember the terrible opening scene?, you probably forgot but it was basically a zoom through spam whilst ships zoomed past. & remember the boulders at the end?

They were only there to cater to the 3D audience. I noticed the reasoning behind those immediately. & it looked shit.

>people who dislike what he likes bothers him

And Sup Forums tries to act like it's so different from Reddit.

It would've been an actual good way to start the movie if not for the dramatic tone.

I'm reminded of a local TV show where protag is a mermaid and actress playing mermaid how her show is different from a mermaid show that just recently aired on a rival TV network and her answer was "Our show is very different from that one. My mermaid's tail is orange."

kek, this is true

Have you ever seen the first Star Wars movie? It has just as much humor, it just isn't current humor so you don't spot it as easily. Take C-3PO, his accent and demeanor is completely contrary to what you would expect out of a translation droid. He constantly worries about things that do not make sense for him to worry about and is completely defective as a droid. Leia helping Han and Luke out of the Deathstar was also novel and funny for the time it was released. Taking charge like a man and using a blaster to fight off storm troopers, nowadays you would just cite that as being badass.

I'm as left-wing as they come, pro-choice, anti-Trump, a Scottish man who voted to leave the UK and remain in the EU

I hate The Last Jedi, it was shit and too long

How could you be anti-Trump if you are Scottish? He doesn't affect you in any way and you cannot vote unless you are a dual citizen. I cannot fathom how other countries citizens can get so worked up over literally nothing.

>Rian Johnson is a fucking god

Alright uhhhh its one thing to defend the movie but seriously this is off the charts it really makes me question whether this pic is real.

Yep, also many of the minorities the SJW's fawn over as pets have far more conservative views than the average white conservative.

>how...how could someone hate this movie?
>well it is an objective masterpiece so there must be something else
>must be those people I already dislike on the opposite political spectrum! yea that's it!

>Getting this upset at somebody casually mentioning he doesn't like your glorious leader
Jesus

You forgot light speed missile, something so short-sighted and mind-bogglingly stupid that I'm more than half-convinced it was deliberate. It retroactively renders every past battle and plot totally irrelevant as well as breaks the setting moving forward.

It's practically custom-made to alienate old fans so that Disney can now move ahead just making brain-dead movies for their brain-dead base. The shit is fucking infuriating.

Euros are obsessed with America and its leaders

Not that user. But many non-Americans are relentlessly anti-Trump because they relentlessly disagree with what Trump relentlessly says, relentlessly tweets and relentlessly does.

This was him.

You are the ones making a big deal about what the gender and skin color of the characters are. Stop this BS. People who dislike the new movies who make a point related to that are only following off of what you guys started because you made a big deal of it. Are some of them racist/misogynist? Of course. Doesn't mean everyone who dislikes these movies is though.

>masterpiece
did everyone forget about the terrible jokes

Underrated.

Oh you have the wrong impression entirely. I am just curious. I never cared if Britain split for the EU for even 1 second. I just wanted some insight into another persons thinking. Am i too vain in not caring about other countries that will never have a tangible impact on my life? Or should other people just take a step back an reflect on the things that really matter to themselves personally? I just like learning about other peoples thought processes.

No it doesn't. I get that it's a good meme to complain about, but it makes sense to me. X-wings can't do it because they wouldn't hurt a giant ship. Only ships of comprable size could do it. And in universe droids can't fly ships like that. Plus you'd have to know the ship is going to be where you're hyper-spacing, etc. It's a very rare corner case that only has autists butthurt because it's all they have to complain about.

I understand not liking a person certainly. My question wasn't about why they dislike him but why they feel the need to semi-protest a person they will never meet or deal with in any significant way even on a geo-political scale.

>stupid user posting another one of his disgustingly ugly drawings
you promised you would kys. YOU PROMISED!

It's true though. My grandpa was complaining about too many blacks in his neighborhood. It's pretty normal to be racist.

Because principles and beliefs are relentlessly important to some people. It is the same reason why people in one hemisphere relentlessly protest human rights violations in another hemisphere. They relentlessly feel strong about it. Relentlessly.

fight you? youve already killed him plz stop!!

Holy fuck reddit is really a circle jerk. And people pretend like Sup Forums is the same. Nah, here you can actually give dissenting opinions and exist in the thread. On reddit you just get downvoted out of existence so the circle jerk can remain.

Here's some criticism and analysis for you. It pretty much nails down everything going on with this franchise that you should find insulting, whether you're a long-time fan or not.

did you stretch for those mental gymnastics to your last point?

I guess. I really don't care about genocides that happen in other countries. In my opinion either the people of a country are strong enough to want a better life and die for it or are geonocided who are we to intervene?

>reddit faggots love it
Why am I not surprised. The shittier a movie is, the more reddit embraces it. And The Last Jedi is no exception. It's complete shit. Not only the worst Star Wars film, but one of the worst films ever made. A legit franchise killer.

Although nationalities and place names are different, the US and Scotland are hotly debating similar issues such as immigrants. Some individuals hate people who hold opposing opinions even if they're an ocean away.

>Literal Redditposting

the only thing evil needs to succeed is for good men to do nothing

Okay that makes sense. I can understand hating other people. I just thought it may have been more about politics and less about people wanting their will imposed on others like some sort of mini dictator.

Not everyone is a selfish insular asshole like you.

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Sure but I'm not a good man. Why don't the people being killed take responsibility and die for their own ideals? Why can;t those who are oppressed be good men? But then again I do enjoy a vast comfort in modern life, so I guess I am clueless.

Yeah but those who seek to impose their version of human rights onto other countries are also assholes. We should just let things play out without intervention unless the small countries start fighting with us directly, in which case we should reduce those countries to ruble.

Are we supposed to pretend we like it now since some guy on YouTube said it was bad

You can dislike a man who lives far away

The ship that does it is in no way vomparable in size to its target. Furthermore, it's technically overkill, as it doesn't just take out Snoke's ship, but the bulk of their fleet.

What makes it even worse is that the bridge crew on the FO ship seems to understand what she's about to do, thereby making them look like idiots for not using the tactic first.

After all, they're not "low on gas."

In 2008 all presidential candidates were against gay marriage

Just because they meet in a circle, doesn't mean they have to then destroy a Death Star clone. I'm talking about one specific convention and you're treating it as though I'm advocating for a duplicate plot.

No I didn't mean you specifically I was just taking your point and applying it to those who were bashing Force Awakens for being too similar, sorry if I seemed to put words in your mouth, but I think that it's a tired part of the series.

After a point the size different wouldn't matter.
When something moving that fast hits something else, it is going to be beyond catastrophic.
You could probably get like 200lb steel rod with hyperdrive and have the same effect.