Rian Johnson wrote the script before TFA was even released, so he could make sure that he never had a chance to consider what fans would want from a Star Wars movie.
Source: "I wrote this script before “The Force Awakens” came out, so when I wrote it, the “Who is Snoke?” mania hadn’t arisen with the fans yet."
latimes.com
Did he write the script without ever seeing TFA?
Would explain a lot.
It's not a bad movie for the fans, its just a bad movie.
not just released, but TFA was still being filmed when he started writing TLJ
I don't see why the two are mutually exclusive
Pmsl
Yea, it really would. I agree. New info for me
I think it would be ok as a new project, but as a Star Wars it definitively sucks arse
Fucking disgusting. True if big.
Disney wars are a mess
If they waited then it might take more than 2 years between the movies, a year without star wars isn't allowed.
but why write a bad script?
look at the dates. mid-2014
kek
Why is he such a cunt? Why did he do the exact opposite of what everyone wanted? Just because he could?
Wow. I didn't even think the movie was as bad as Sup Forums says it was, but shit is just fucking ridiculous.
>pick on at school by Star Wars nerds
>uses this as his way to lash out at them
It's muddled, the character arcs are contrived and unconvincing, and half the runtime contributes nothing to the story or to character.
If this was a new property it would be laughed out of the room before they finished pitching it.
Holy shit, truly interesting user, explains a ton...
Right? this dum mother fucker wrote this scene before in 2014, how retarded can one man be?
What did mean by this??
lmao funny thing is, this scene (as you posted, in reverse) would be MUCH better than what we got.
I assumed the film was totally improvised
I concede that you are indeed right, user. Would have received a 47% on RT if it had a different title than Star Wars
Doing the opposite of what people wanted would be fine if he did something good, but he didn't
I think most people wished they never saw TFA, though.
Check'd and that's very true, now.
I didnt mind it when it came out, but knowing what it leads to fucking disgusts me. Wish we never had NuWars™ at all
It would explain why the whole flick felt like a bottle episode of a shitty, yet very expensive TV show.
who the fuck greenlits a fucking triology with no fully fledged out story points and events while changing writers and directors?
That scene is a perfect metaphor for this entire movie. Something interesting is about to happen, but then something ends up making it pointless.
Are you guys criticizing this as the wrong thing to do? Don't just do whatever fans want, fans don't even know what they want. Tell the story you want to tell.
this can't be real
>Tell the story you want to tell.
Sure. Fine. But make it a stand alone like Rogue 1.
No point in making a fucking trilogy if you aren't going to have an overarching story
Disney Presents: NuWars™
Seriously, though, it's insulting to us true fans. It's purely because they know the ticket sales will be through the roof no matter what they do
since they PRETENDED like they cared about OT characters.
>Kathleen Kennedy
>Cant wait to see how Episode 9 fares
A woman
Seems that only fans are the ones upset or mixed. People who aren’t emotionally connected with the original trilogy characters are enjoying it.
This. It's exactly why they're doing spin offs and stand alones.
Mainline is reserved for Hero's Journey and Skywalker family. EZ PZ, dont fuck with it. No need to try and create "kino" here.
The Mouse obviously
Valerian is a much better film in a vacuum than TLJ and it wasn't very good.
How did Lucasfilm allow this? It's basically malpractice
what's with these types of fucking faggots in every thread?
When the credits rolled after I saw TFA,
I get very indifferent. Although there were scenes I enjoyed there was a lot not to like. It was a feeling very similar to when I saw TPM. And yet everybody around me liked TFA. The fans liked TFA. I thought I was the odd man it but I also remember a lot of people saying they liked TPM back in 1999 too. Rogue One was mostly a better film than TFA.
Now here we are today and you guys acknowledge that TFA was weak. What you do not acknowledge is he objective fact that TFA was weak a month ago too. TLJ changes nothing, TFA is just a shitty movie for the most part. Having said all that, TLJ is infinitely superior to TFA in every way. I actually liked it. Maybe it was the low expectations. But still, it’s absolutey better than TFA and the best Star Wars movie since RotJ
Seriously, it's fucking bullshit though. How could he have possibly thought this would turn out well?
I honestly feel like there's a 70% chance that you could pick a Star Wars user from Sup Forums and they'd be able to put together something better than what we got (as far as plot goes, not framing scenes)
Instead, the Mouse™ wanted to give us NuWars and Rian Johnson wanted to take this opportunity to ATTEMPT to create a "kino" masterpiece (failed horribly and miserably)
but wait there's more: the next fucking trilogy is also already greenlit for the hack director who just bombed the fuck out of franchise + he also still has no story points for that new trilogy as well! are the disney executives fucking stoners with no care in the world?
>"I wrote this script before “The Force Awakens” came out, so when I wrote it, the “Who is Snoke?” mania hadn’t arisen with the fans yet."
>This is real
Nice trips, user.
I agree with you. I mostly looked past he deficiencies because I was EXCITED about Ep. 8. Of course, this was well before most of us knew that it was headed straight off the cliff, so I think I should be forgiven in that regard.
They teased so much interesting material in Ep. 7 that I couldnt wait to see Ep. 8. I wish I could go back in time and stab myself in the kidneys for ever being excited.
You mean shills?
Well it’s true though. The only people upset are the ones who are emotionally connected with Luke Skywalker and the original trilogy. The same group who was upset with the prequels. Except the prequels were worse than this movie. You didn’t like what they did with Luke Skywalker. That is all. Oh and Snoke was killed without explaining him.
Sure this film has stupid moments like all films. Space Leia force pushing her way in a vacuum to safety, the movie-long chase and stupid explanations about not being able to track smaller craft (almost as bad as the starkiller base). It does a lot more right than wrong. Just because Luke saved his genocidal murdering father doesn’t mean he would do the same for a nephew. You don’t even know the story there. Killing Ben would have definitely saved a lot of people’s lives regardless of whether or not he ever can be “saved” (whatever that even means).
40 years have passed, long time for a lot of character development in Luke for the worse. So sorry he isn’t married to Mara Jade or resembles his faggoty non-canon EU self in anyway
I know we may throw this phrase around a lot and perhaps underestimate how difficult it is, but I unironically could write a story and script 5x better than this schlock. Literally fucking how are these hacks in charge of billion dollar projects? HOW?
Truly the darkest timeline, my friend. Truly.
It's honestly felt like a bad dream it some points
Yes.
Sorry buddy didn't read your post although I know you get paid by the word
Just fucking off your self and get off my thread, faggot.
I can at least thank god that Ill never know how it feels to be this retarded,
>he was willing to murder him in his sleep
>decides to fuck off and cry when he actually becomes a genocidal maniac
Brilliant character development, 10/10 writing if you ask me.
"5/5: A Triumph"
>shadman
Well at least the prequels continued with the internal logic and narrative consistency of the OT. These films didn't.
Also you can't change a character so drastically with no reasoning behind it. That has to be shown (or explained as Rian is a hack).
I will never understand this
they managed to make 20 (awful) marvel films that largely made sense to build up Thanos
they couldnt make 3 star wars with a consistent plot?
JJ wasn't involved with those
Hurt durrr Luke would go for the kill one to save a million option. You are effectively a moron and clearly didn’t see the same films i did.
Because it's a Marvel movie wearing the clothes of a Star Wars movie, and people love Marvel movies.
JJ is a better director than 99% of the marvel hacks even though he is actually not very talented.
He could have easily worked out an overarching plot that a) made sense and b)wasn't a rehash of original trilogy.
>its another contrarian thread
*yawns* wake me up when this board stops pretending to hate good movies just because they are popular
Why would they? The only positives I hear is how it subverted expectations.
But normies who don't actually know about Star Wars are getting pissed about the casino plot, and them suddenly killing off Snoke.
Literally the only way they can possibly salvage this trilogy is if the opening crawl of Episode IX begins with "It was all a dream".
They did it before with the Pirates movies. They were filming the third one of that before the script was even finished.
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>People who aren’t emotionally connected with the original trilogy characters are enjoying it.
I'm not big on Star Wars and never grew an emotional attachment to these characters but Last Jedi was an absolute shitshow. I'm genuinely upset and offended by the unbelievably awful film making and story telling.
>writing a script to a sequel when you don't know what's going to happen in the movie before it
what
Kek, swear to God I would prefer this bullshit over anything they'll end up coming up with.
It's the only way to remotely salvage the series, CANON RETCON
Name things that they did right beside kylo
>it had le x-wings and le lighsabers so its good!
kys
I dislike TLJ, but I think Luke's arch was fine. I mean, the general idea of the arch, not every detail as this movie was crap when it came to dialogues and formalization of ideas (amongst other things). A person can change a lot in 40 years, you can go from optimistic to pessimistic with age and some major let downs (like your nephew betraying you and killing half of your students). I think Yoda burning the sacred texts with smugface.jpg was way more stupid.
>try to kill your nephew
>n-no you dont understand its him that betrayed ME!
fuck off Luke
Is she flying past all the dead bodies of the crew in this scene?
Regardless he's the guy who is ideologically opposed to stories making any sense, which is how Star Wars was ruined.
At least the prequels had Sheev. These pieces of shit have nothing to redeem them.
>the “Who is Snoke?” mania hadn’t arisen with the fans yet."
How much denial do you have to be in to actually say shit like this?
Yes, but you need to show it. Because Luke having a murder boner because of a dream leading to his nephew "betraying" him is bullshit character development of a guy who would rather die than strike down his full on sith father.
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Did you watch the same movie as I did?
>snoke turns ben solo to the dark side
>luke eventually realizes this
>goes to ben's dorm to confront ben
>looks in his mind and sees it is way worse than he thought
>because of the shock turns on the lightsaber to kill ben
>the second after decides against it and feels ashamed of himself because of even thinking about killing ben
>ben wakes up and sees Luke with the lightsaber, gets scared
That's not exactly the same as trying to kill your nephew.
>Director A does a movie with a script that rehash movie 4
>Director B does not care about movie 1/3 and ends up giving a bit fuck you to the fans and even director of previous movie
>Director A is supposed to work on the third after and in spite of said Director B actions.
How? HOW?
dude i was just pointing this gun at you when you woke up it doesn't mean i was going to kill you in your sleep or anything
Luke saw good in Darth Vader, one of the baddest motherfuckers in the universe and was literally going to let himself be killed by the Emperor just to try and garner sympathy from Vader to turn him back to the light.
Now he's gonna consider killing the teenage son of his best friend just because he sensed the dark side within him? Luke's arc was a complete fucking mess.
>lel what do you mean the fans want to know who the mysterious leader of the first order is?
Is he pretending to be stupid?
That's not the worse
You guys heard that JJ pitched IX last week? So the same thing will happen for the next one, if they accept it the story will have been written without knowing people hated this fucking shit.
So you’re all butthurt over Luke Skywalker. Because he’s a hermit who secluded himself on an island on a remote planet in order to die. Because he briefly thought about killing his nephew, who is now a genocidal murderer anyways (I’m sure Luke didn’t help but he didn’t make him). Because 1983 Luke wouldn’t do that and muh Timothy Zahn non-canon trilogy. Muh Grand Admiral Thrawn. Muh Mara Jade. Mug Dark Empire.
Luke Skywalker is a whiny kid in Star Wars (yes, Star Wars... shit wasn’t called ANH or Episode IV until years later). He defies Yoda and gets his hand cutoff by Vader. He has the “chutzpah” to call himself a Jedi Knight to Jabba. And he cries “father please!” while being electrocuted by the emperor like a little bitch instead of trying to deflect it with the force. Because he’s a shitty Jedi compared to all those before him. 70-year-old alien titty drinking “get off my island” Luke is far more based. Especially cause he tried to kill Darth Ben (who deserved it)
>be uncle Luke
>famous (irl) for turning Darth Vader, the man who choked the mother of his children, murdered all the children in his religion, and attempted to kill his best friend
>adolescent nephew thinking bad thoughts
>sneak into his tent to "probe" him
>nephew wakes up while your "sword" is exposed, disgusted
Off yourself, m8. The worst representation of a BONAFIDE Hero's Jounrey Champion that will ever be seen in any media
see
but who cares about discussing anything with you and your shitty bait.
>see powerful nephew
>could kill everyone
>Snoke has taken him over
>for one second think about killing him
and the fact is...Luke was right. It would have been better to kill Ben.
Just like it would have been better if Obi killed anakin instead of letting him stay half dead on Fire World
>And he cries “father please!” while being electrocuted by the emperor like a little bitch instead of trying to deflect it with the force
That's because he became a sick Jedi who used his own pain to redeem his father.
You literally just outlined Luke's journey from hotheaded kid to Jedi Master.
MAGNETS HOW THEY FUCK DO THEY WORK
>put a gun to someones head
>hahaha bro, wasnt gonna kill u ;) btw I feel ashemed now.
no
I know, still it was a sudden thought that he immediately regreted. It's not like he planned it or anything. He wasn't actually going to kill Ben.
I feel like there are way worse problems with the new movies and people are just focusing on this when it's just another matter of poor directing (Rian being so graphic with Kylo's version of what happened with Luke's evil face and stuff, and then Luke's version getting kind of lost).
>thinks inept, retarded Kylo Ren could kill anyone
>cant kill a literal-who the first time she ever fought with a saber
>the whole set up was probably a self fulfilling prophsey, huge chance he wouldnt be full fledged BIG MAD if hadnt tried to kill him
>not realizing this despite being a "Master" of the Force
Jesus, this is too easy. Any of you other TLJ defending faggots want to try?
Kylo is his own flesh and blood too
And also the fact it's a fucking stupid plot point
Brandishing your lightsaber above a sleeping teenage boy who is the son of your best friend is not a sudden thought. It's completely ridiculous. A sudden thought would be fine but a sudden thought does not escalate to you standing above the sleeping teenage son of your best friend brandishing a deadly weapon.
>magnets
which would imply that the allied ships are made out of a non-metallic alloy
which would beg the question why the enemy would make metallic ships if such technology existed, because firing off metal seeking bombs around your allies seems like a great way to kill them with friendly fire
The hero's journey is horse shit.
>The hero's journey is horse shit.
Rian pls
It is a sudden thought. He is standing in front of Ben because he went to confront him. He gets shocked because of what he sees when looking Ben's mind, and fires his lightsaber. He then regrets it, but it's too late because Ben wakes up.
I mean Luke literally explains this. Are we getting to the point where we don't believe what Luke says. Isn't he supposed to be a pure being?
So what he’s saying is he never condsidered the internal logic of having a character like Snoke, and thinks people only care because they like theory crafting. What a fucking hack.
You can't be a pure being while wanting to anal rape your nephew with your throbbing lightsaber.
The whole reason for Kylo falling from grace and hating Luke is contrived and stupid
I agree with the other guy here, Luke's arc makes sense. It's disappointing to see him like this, but it happens.
The film does talk about failure and how it can be your greatest teacher. And that's the lesson that Luke gives in the end - he failed, and he learned a lesson from it, the same for Rey and Poe.