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What I loved most about TLJ is how frustrated many of us felt after watching our heroic Jedi legend Luke Skywalker reduced down to just a bitter old man who has completely given up. I will admit that it left me shaken. After the movie ended my wife turned to me and asked, "So what did you think?" to which I replied, "I honestly don't know...". I knew immediately that I had to see the film again to get a better understanding of why I felt so conflicted and it was after that 2nd viewing when I realized exactly what Rian Johnson had done, and it's truly brilliant.

But before I get into that, let's first take an honest look at Luke Skywalker's history to gain a better understand the character...

As the story goes, Luke Skywalker saved the rebellion from the grips of the dreaded Emperor and his Imperial forces. Or so we are led to believe. Unfortunately, throughout the entire saga, Luke’s actions have been inflated to epic proportions leading all of us to believe he is a much greater hero than he really is. Here are some key examples from the OT...

Episode IV: A New Hope

• When we first meet Luke, he is a mere farmer on Tatooine, tending to the droids his uncle procures from the Jawas. After one of the droids suffers a malfunction from a bad motivator, whatever that is, he selects R2-D2 to join the already purchased C-3PO. What a great choice to make, considering all the good R2 will go on to accomplish. However, Luke only suggests R2 to his uncle at the recommendation of C-3PO, minimalizing his own contributions to the matter.

• Furthermore, in the Mos Eisley Cantina, he meets some devilish rogues who threaten his well-being. At this point, he’s basically shoved aside so Obi-Wan Kenobi can fight Luke’s battles for him, once again proving that Luke is only a mere recipient of everyone else’s good will.

• Once on the Death Star, he manages to nearly drown in a waste container, destroy a bridge’s control panel, and even alert the Stormtroopers watching his master be defeated by Darth Vader to his and his allies’ presence.

• Luke fires a torpedo into the exhaust port of the Death Star, thus destroying it. However, Luke is only able to focus on this task when Darth Vader is blasted off Luke’s tail by Han Solo and Chewbacca in the Millennium Falcon. Han and Chewie return to aid his friend after taking his payment and fleeing, presumably because he assumed Luke would probably die without his help.

Serious question: Why did Luke evaporated in the end? This movie made no sense

Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back

• Starting with the beginning of the movie, we find Luke and Han out patrolling on the frigid planet Hoth. After they both confer that pretty much nothing has happened, Luke states that he will stay out to check on something. Han heads back in, and Luke promptly gets his tauntaun murdered and himself captured by a Hoth monster. Later Han investigates Luke’s whereabouts while Luke awakens upside down in a cave. He manages to draw his saber toward him to escape, severing the monster’s arm, but all for naught. He is still going to do a horrible death out in the freezing cold on the ice planet. That is until Han shows up with his tauntaun to rescue his friend from certain death yet again.

• After the Hoth battle, where Luke admittedly downs one Imperial Walker single-handedly (although the rebels are still forced to evacuate), he takes R2 and his X-Wing fighter to seek out Yoda on Dagobah for his Jedi training. When he arrives on Dagobah, he immediately crashes his fighter into a swamp, rendering it like 95% submerged. When he finally meets Yoda, Yoda basically refuses to train him, until the ghost of Obi-Wan steps in. Even after death, Luke’s mentor has to look after him. While training, Luke struggles to maintain focus, instead showing too much concern for his allies on the Falcon. He is chided by Yoda for this. He also directly disobeys Yoda during training, proving that not only is he a bad hero, he’s also a bad student. Luke senses something in the jungles of Dagobah and begins to strap on his weapon belt. Yoda tells him he will not need his weapons, but Luke takes them anyways because he doesn’t listen. Finally, in another act of insubordination, Luke packs up to rescue his friends whom he senses are in trouble on Cloud City, to the protest both Yoda and Obi-Wan. This is, of course, after Luke fails to raise his own X-Wing out of the swamp in which he dumped it, needing Yoda to do it for him.

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How low will it go?

• Finally Luke rushes to Cloud City to rescue his friends. Once there, it becomes evident that this was all a trap meant to lure Luke to Darth Vader. After a battle that is crazily one-sided, Luke gets his hand lopped off and jumps down a seemingly endless pit. He winds up dangling from the bottom of the city, and needs the friends he was trying to save in the first place to save him instead. At the end of the movie, Luke is left on a small rebel station, watching his friends jet off without him, probably because they’re tired of having to look out for him all the time.

He lost the will to live

Episode VI: The Return of the Jedi

• When we first see our “hero” at the beginning of the last entry of the original trilogy, he is decked out in all black, quietly walking his way through the lonely entrance to Jabba the Hutt’s palace to seek audience with Jabba himself. This is a man who has grown since the last time we saw, gained more skill and quiet self-assurance. When he gains audience with Jabba and attempts to free Han Solo, he fails to be aware of his surroundings and plummets through a trap door into the Rancor pit. Once he kills the Rancor, he is taken prisoner, to be executed at the Sarlacc pit alongside Chewie and Han. He gives Jabba one last chance to free them, who laughs off the proposal, and enacts a seemingly brave rescue plan that frees his friends and ruins Jabba the Hutt. We are meant to believe that all this was Luke’s plan in the first place, but it doesn’t quite add up. His goal was to rescue allies. He could have easily done that without murdering everyone. This would imply that Luke intended to be dropped into the Rancor pit and taken prisoner. But watching the scene in which he battles the giant monster, the panic on Luke’s face is startlingly clear. His quick thinking is the only thing that aids in his defeat of the monster. If anything, Luke’s daring rescue is credited to his allies already on the scene, except for the blind Han Solo, who is just as baffled as we are.

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• Towards the end of the movie, while his friends are fighting in the Battle of Endor alongside the Ewoks, in order to take down the shield generator protecting the new Death Star that the Rebels are gearing up to take down, Luke has been quietly escorted to said Death Star to meet the Emperor. While Rebels and Ewoks are dying left and right, Luke is having a conversation. During this conversation, Luke’s anger gets the best of him and he strikes out at Darth Vader; the two engage in a lightsaber duel that ends with Luke anger-hacking at Darth’s saber until Darth’s hand falls off. Luke then inexplicably throws his lightsaber down and confronts the Emperor, who proceeds to electrocute the hell out of him. And once again, just as Luke is about to die, someone comes to his aid. Darth Vader, who is confronted with a difficult choice, opts to dump the Emperor over the edge of a long, long drop, thus fighting Luke’s battle for him.

Over the entire trilogy, Luke has many ambitions. He wants to fight in the rebellion for the good of the galaxy. He desperately wants to become a Jedi Knight like his father Darth Vader and his mentor Obi-Wan Kenobi. Unfortunately, he pretty much fails each of these ambitions, or at least vaguely succeeds at them through an over-dependence on those around him. We've been led to believe Luke is the heroic Jedi legend, but in reality he's actually an amateur who made bad decisions and had a series of terrible ideas.

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Which brings me to Episode VIII: The Last Jedi and why I think Rian Johnson's take on Luke was genius...

Sometime after Episode VI Luke began training a new generation of Jedi, including his nephew, Ben Solo. Mind you- Luke was never actually properly trained in the ways of the force. If anything he's more self-taught, so it's safe to say that Luke wasn't the best choice to be training young force-users, but without any other Jedi around the task fell to him. Everything seemed to be going okay, but Luke sensed great darkness in Ben and, in a moment of pure stupidity, contemplated killing the boy after realizing how far the corruption had spread, prompting Ben to destroy Skywalker's Jedi temple and end the new generation of Jedi.

Plagued by guilt and resolved to bring an end to a Jedi legacy that he saw as one of failure, Skywalker selfishly vanished to Ahch-To. It was there that he intended to live out his final days and, through his death, end the Jedi Order simply because he couldn't make it work.

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When Rey finds Luke she's expecting to find the great Jedi Master, but what she found was simply a flawed old man filled with regret. You could feel her disappointment because WE (the audience) were disappointed. We allowed ourselves to buy into the myth that was Luke Skywalker when we really should've been more focused on the man- a flawed hero right from the very beginning. And that was the genius behind Rian Johnson's story. He gave us the REAL Luke Skywalker- not the LEGENDARY Luke Skywalker we all expected. It was a bold, but somewhat obvious choice if you want to look at the character objectively. Luke grew to hate the fact that he was considered a legend because the truth is he knew he wasn't (and so did we). But despite that, Rian Johnson still found a way to redeem Luke Skywalker from a seemingly endless carousel of bad decisions (mostly due to his own hubris followed by self-hatred). He allowed Luke to come to terms with who he is and what he needed to do– inspire the legend that will bring a spark of hope to the galaxy in the fight to defeat the First Order. In doing so, he passed away into the Force—peacefully and with renewed purpose, knowing that, through Rey and as his legend spread across the galaxy, he would not be the last Jedi.

TL;DR the genius behind Rian Johnson's TLJ is he gave us the REAL Luke Skywalker- not the LEGENDARY Luke Skywalker that we all expected.

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it's a mouse shill, just let the thread die

>almost 100 million behind so far

oh dear the audience score for TLJ is falling faster than the percentage of whites in America!

thats pretty impressive

>it's making slightly less than the most over-hyped movie of all time

imagine that.

>1% off from the biggest disaster of 2016
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Ghostbusters had a 74% WHAT THE FUCK!

critics are out of touch

>becoming rose
>had to stuff my face full of burgers

How Disney is gonna get away with this?

To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand The Last Jedi. The humour is extremely obnoxious, and without a solid grasp of postmodernist subversion most of the plot points will go over a typical viewer’s head. There’s also Luke’s nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation- his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realise that they’re not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike The Last Jedi truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn’t appreciate, for instance, the humour in the Luke’s existential catchphrase "I came to this island to die" which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev’s Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I’m smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Rian Johnson’s genius wit unfolds itself on their cinema screens. What fools.. how I pity them.
And yes, by the way, i DO have a Porg tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It’s for the ladies’ eyes only- and even then they have to demonstrate that they’re within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand. See you around kid

>everyone who diagrees with me is being paid or a bot

how do people get through life with this kind of thought process?

>slightly less
>100M and counting
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if that movie was good there's no need to justify why its good.All the positive reviews are trying too hard and this is why they are fake

all of that just to get blacked in the end.

humans are basically bots anyways t b h
theres only a few people on this planet that make decisions that actually matter the rest just follow the programming

thats a good point

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I think people here are peeved because Rian's vision goes against Luke's fucking character, He fucks up constantly in the original series until rotj when he finally has a grasp on things and even then he places his faith in Vader to help him. He reamains optimistic and aloof throughout the entire rider and you would think the culmination of his experiences and training would lead to a hardened badass that understands that there's always hope.

In this movie it's like he just stopped giving a shit despite all of his efforts.Even the Han death reaction was played as a 'meh' moment. If they really wanted Luke to go apeshit why not have cut to a shot of him in the first movie sensing a disturbance in the force. When he finally confronts Kylo have him seething with rage and yelling that the little shit killed his friend, and unload on him like he did with Vader and then hold back at the last moment instead of fucking cutting to him trying to murder a teen in his sleep.

There's so many things they could have done to make this movie passable.

WE DID IT

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I think it's sarcasm. A reactionary aside to the accusations of russian hackers. Just a hunch.

NOOOOOOOO fuck off soyboy mouse shill
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you can't say that!!!!!
mods delete this corporate doublespeak RIGHT NOW

NOOOOO Luke was supposed to be my nazi hero not a coward soyboy REEEEEEEEE

we'll take the score below 50% for this you'll fucking see leftists

>h-haha it's just a j-joke guys
we're not really bigotted turboretards we're just pretending!!

Fuck off Rian

Imagine if it drops below 50%?

>slightly less
>almost a third less
>SLIGHTLY

>through 6 days TLJ is at $278.7 million
>through 6 days TFA was at $363.5 million
>at this rate it will gross less than Jurassic World
What went wrong?

At this rate it won't gross more than Rogue One

WE CAN DO IT

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