So was the whole point of her character to say you should blindly follow leadership because it's probably right?

So was the whole point of her character to say you should blindly follow leadership because it's probably right?

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only if the leadership is a woman

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It's funny because the people who are eating this movie up and claiming it's a masterpiece are the same ones who bash the current leadership.

Why was it such a revelation that the First Order had tracked the Rebel flagship through hyperspace?

It's literally a central plot point of the first film
Leia even literally says it out loud to Han

Did she forget? Was it such a long time between movies that she hadn't seen the first one in a while? Was Carrie Fisher too drunk to remember?

this is angela merkel and they show how she got no plans with immigrants, untill it gonna be too late

No it was just Rian's way to keep the story moving without doing substantial writing work. He doesn't care about the contradiction and neither do a lot of fans.

It's Orwellian if you don't, but I wouldn't expect the poorly educated to understand.

The last jedi not only ruins all future STAR WARS movies, it also retroactively ruins the past films and makes them all look like idiots.

>A New Hope - "Sir we've worked out the final plan for the assault on the death star and it will be risky and cost many lives but it migh-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it"

>Empire - "Sir the troops are ready for the ground assault on Hoth, walkers are ready to deploy" "Just Hyperspace-Ram the shield generator from orbit then Hyperspace-ram the rebel base. Boom. All the rebels will be dead before they can evacuate, war is over, and we never had to do a ground assault"

>Jedi - "Sir they built a new death star and it's even bigg-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it" "But sir it's surrounded by a shield from the Endor moo-" "Just hyperspace ram the endor Moon until you take out the shield generator, Ewoks are collateral damage, then hyperspace ram the new death star"

>Phantom Menace - "Annakin you have to take out that droid controller" "Just hyperspace ram it"

>Rogue One - "We have to take down that shield generator!" "Just hyperspace ra- actually you know what were going to just hyperspace ram the death star anyway so we don't even need these stupid plans. Lets get out of here everybody."

>TFA - My god they built an even BIGGER death sta-" "Just hyperspace ram it"

From now on, in every star wars movie ever made, every single time there is a massive fleet, large base or battlestation everyone watching will be thinking. "Why don't they just hyperspace-ram it". Johnson did this to the entire star wars cinematic universe, forever, for the sake of a ten second shot that "looked cool".

Yeah I didn't understand this either

Or why there was a map to where Luke went if he didn't want to be found... go be emo somewhere random if there's no reason to go to the Jedi temple, the galaxy has a trillion star systems

So they couldn't even figure out what sector that bit of map was?
I mean the Resistance had the big part, the rest of the galaxy. There are no 'landmark' stars or structures that would pick out the part of the galaxy on the half that Poe found as some particular section of the galaxy? Who the fuck was Max von Sydow and why did he have the map?

But our current leadership is not by a woman. mmmkay. no sweety. no.

>Or why there was a map to where Luke went if he didn't want to be found... go be emo somewhere random if there's no reason to go to the Jedi temple, the galaxy has a trillion star systems

Well that is obvious. It's what happens when you let each director write the whole story for the next movie starting right from the end of the last one. No over arching story, no foresight. Just doing whatever that director wants to do and not caring about any plot inconsistencies or questions because they won't be around for the next one.

These movies are made by committee. If anything JJ and Rian had their balls in a vice the entire time.

I thought it was said each director started anew? Remember after TFA, JJ said something along lines of it's on to next director to write what happens?

Not the same thing. The Empire in ANH put a tracking device on the Falcon and followed its signal back to Yavin. In TLJ, they appear to be able to detect the Rebel ships within hyperspace and after they leave it in whereverthefuck in the galaxy - all without a homing beacon onboard.

this desu
in a world where this is possible they could just build special kamikaze ship with autopilots and gg.

also if she jumped into hyperspace right after the transporters took off, order would follow her god knows where and everybody would be alive

He said that because he couldn't say publically that Mickey Mouse was holding a gun to his head.

>Don't question Hillary, also um, no, sweetie: the character

So you think the not explaining the reason for the map just ends up being a Disney fuck you? It was pretty obvious at the end of TFA that JJ made Luke look different than someone disappointed Rey was there with his lightsaber.

something i find truly bizarre is that poe destroying the dreadnought likely kept them alive? I mean, I assume the dreadnought would have enough range to just destroy the fleet regardless of them being faster.

No, I'm saying that the people who OK'd the script didn't care about telling a coherent story. Jesus, it's like you don't know what a studio is.

What's even more retarded is that apparently she didn't plan to do it because she just sat their watching the transports get blown up.

Fucking dumb character. Same with Rose. Poe and Finn should have been sent on a mission by Leia.

The map was to the Jedi Temple, not Luke specifically. Luke didn't want to be found, so he went to the Jedi Temple who was known to be a secret hidden place no one knew about except for him. Only later they found the map to it.

It's as if I said, "goodbye fellas, don't look for me, I'm going to Atlantis" and then if you wanted to find me, you'd be looking for Atlantis.

Couldn't she have just shared the plan with Poe?

All I was getting at is there is not overarching story movie to movie. It's just making it up after each movie ends.

No. She had to be a snarky bitch to him instead because GIRL POWAH and TOXIC MASCULINITY!!!!!

They say "a map to Luke Skywalker" in the fucking movie, though. You're right, it's retarded to have a map leading to a person, but the script says it.

To be quite honest, I don't think he conveyed any expression in particular at the end of TFA

The point was you should trust other people once in a while.

I just rewatched the end of TFA after not seeing it since I saw the whole movie in theaters. I remember it being more expressive than that. Yeah I guess I was wrong there.

Yes, but only because they were looking after him much more than trying to find the Jedi Temple. It IS a map to Luke, but because he is there, not because it was designed for him. At least that's the way I understood it.

Do they even mention the Jedi Temple/Tree or whatever until Luke does in TLJ? They mention Luke's Jedi Temple that failed, but that is obviously not the island or the planet he is on.

She's looking for him to help the Resistance, she doesn't give a fuck about finding a temple

Han says "People that knew him best think he went looking for the first Jedi temple."

The fact that auto pilot doesn't seem to exist in a world with droids bothers me. Did you really need to fly the ship yourself, you couldn't time the lightspeed or leave C3-PO and tell him to press a button?

Does the ship not have AI?

just turn your brain off bro.

It must not. Before the rebels tried the stealth takeoff, miss all of a sudden not a bitch when talking to Leia said someone had to remain behind to continue piloting the ship.

>They say "a map to Luke Skywalker" in the fucking movi
he's a big guy

That’s such a shitty idea and I had a feeling this movie would suck as a result. Making a trilogy with different directors each movie would be a disaster in keeping a consistent tone. Somehow the original trilogy managed to do well with it but even then you could argue RotJ suffered a bit from it. I was only lukewarm on TFA but I feel like even JJ wouldn’t have fucked up TLJ this bad

The original trilogy had 3 different directors. Lucas had creative control over large portions of production but he wasn't a director.

I fucking hate this face so fucking much I just have the irrational urge to punch it.

That's not even her final form

That’s what I was saying, that the original trilogy was the exception to the rule, probably because Lucas had a big role in the making of the other two films.

Why didn’t she tell everyone the plan to lessen worry? There was literally no consequence to her telling the end goal to everyone.

She doesn't need no man to validate her plans

It was to say that GIRLS TOTALLY RULE!

Nazi Dweebs BTFO

Phasma looks like that photo was taken after Finn smacked her upside the head

nah its just for le epic twist. turns out she actually had it together and had a good plan

Why wouldn't she have a shaved head?

You dense fuck
>inb4 not canon
It is
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She is literally self insert the character

Can't argue with this fine lady. When ya got it...Ya got it.

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>Appearances: star wars rebels
Kys

Its really over isn't it senpai.

>inb4 appears in IX
no u

Sugar, water, purple.

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weve had the OT for decades. what more do you need? im glad the genndy cartoon exists but isnt everything else just kind of needless extra? the universe is cool but the main story has been told and hasn't been topped

That still doesn't explain why the empire wouldn't do the trick, especially since their army is a lot more expendable than the rebels. And it doesn't invalidate the method as a whole either, since now instead of just.
>hyperspace ram
it's
>send a hyperspace ram in. If it gets intercepted, send in bombers to bomb the shit out of it, then hyperspace ram the target again.

Tbh i don't know why the empire doesn't use this tactic, but to the other thing, imagine if you can put some spheres that create a gravity well that avoids hyperspace jumps in a star destroyer, the first order can just simply put these in things like space stations and planets, and would create a new tactical approach against the Rebels, (fake interdictors, gravity wells, traps, etc.)

Leia is gone. And the new general immediately drags him through the mud and gives no detail of her "brilliant plan" to the Resistance's best pilot and a known hothead with proactive mindset.

Not only that but she immediately makes her plan looks like "we're just going to keep flying until we run out of fuel and die".

Honestly, she should've saw that mutiny coming from a mile a away and should've kept an eye on someone like Poe. How does someone make it general without having some semblance of cunning and intelligence?

>How does someone make it general without having some semblance of cunning and intelligence?

Dunno you tell me...

This is my thing with her. Like she felt like she had to take dominance over Poe or something and instead just came off as a bitch. He wasn't even being a bitch to her, he just introduced himself then asked what the plan was. If she wasn't such a asshole, Poe never plans something else and possibly Finn and Rose never get sent to the Casino planet which means the whole cloaked ship plan never gets revealed by pointless Benicio character with a stupid stutter. If it happened that way though, they don't have a way to insert Luke projecting.

Why the FUCK did everyone start saying "Godspeed" in this movie? I'm sure there are gods in the SW universe but it felt weird as fuck. Is there some nu-EU reason that this character and her allies were monotheists?

>The map was to the Jedi Temple, not Luke specifically. Luke didn't want to be found
and yet in the TFA we saw luke giving the map to R2D" junst in case they need him

>someone had to remain behind to fly the the ship.

I don't understand this shit. Pilot fatigue must be absolute hell in Star Wars.

Fresh pasta right outta the microwave

The biggest problem with the character is that they had no idea who she was. She is whatever the plot needs.

>introduced with cringey hope speech as a Leia surrogate
>move's on to be grade A authoritarian bitch to Poe, keeping secrets for no reason
>post-mutiny is a bro, with reasonable-ish plans, an appreciation for Poe's now much worse authority issue, and dies a hero

She is whatever the movie calls for at the moment. She's an antagonist Poe when Poe would otherwise have nothing to do in the plot, and then when the movie needs to tug some heart strings, they give her a few positive scenes and then give her a heroic sacrifice.

She is the worst example of the worst vice of this movie: contrivance. The answer to so many questions in this film is "because the plot needs this to happen".

>why are the first order not closing in and destroying the rebels? plot needs Finn and Poe to have adventures this movie

>why is their cellmate a master hacker? they were looking for a master hacker but needed someone who could reasonably betray them, not the trusted contact. this is also why he is able to instantly break out of jail. How long was he waiting there if he could leave at any time? Why was he waiting?

>why kill Snoke? give Kylo a redemption act while still allowing him to be the primary antagonist

>why is kolto such a bitch? WTF else is Poe doing now in the midst of this space stalemate?

Lots of shit in the film just happens to either create desired character moments or to move the plot, and not because it makes a lick of fucking sense

>why is their cellmate a master hacker.

This really ducked with me. Why even do that? It's like the writer was literally dragging himself out of a hole that he dug. If you want your characters to fail, do it, but don't immediately put the authors hand in to give them a contrivance. If you did it because then your main plot wouldn't happen, maybe you should pause and think about that plot for longer than a single rewrite.

for all they knew, there WAS a tracking device on one of their ships. that would be the logical conclusion - that they were being tracked using tech that actually existed.

How in the fuck do you even beat the First Order now if it can track your shit in hyperspace?

>special kamikaze ship
not even that, they just need to build some damn missiles and putting on them a small hyperspace enjine
>you cant dodge a faster than light missile
>it will do a way more damage than a normal ship ever will do

>Quirky personality.

It's like they're all the same.

>weaponized FTL drives

Basically you got a Death Star right there. Maybe star wars should've stayed the space fantasy ww2 that Lucas intended it to be.

this explains much

See it ALMOST made sense.

Poe starts the film by disobeying orders in a combat situation and losing a dozen ships because he believes they have to take any chance possible to take out a dreadnought. But Poe isn't a master strategist, he's a dumb fucking pilot. He's explicitly not an ideas guy, he's a rough and tumble fly boy. In a military, he needs to do what he's fucking told.

If Koldo were there to instill discipline on Poe for being such a dumbass, it'd be over the top, but not inexcusable. He needs to fucking learn that shit because otherwise he's a liability.

But they didn't really go this route. Koldo's plan wasn't super great, there was no clear reason to compartmentalize information(even with the pre-made excuse of "oh gosh we're being tracked somehow maybe there's a mole"), and in the end, when Poe flouts authority even fucking harder and FUCKING MUTINIES, she laughs it off and praises his rebellious spirit.

>she has no reason to limit information for security
>there is demonstrable harm to not telling, inciting the mutiny
>she's not super concerned with teaching discipline

It existed so Poe could have some mid-film drama.

Rian didn't gaf because hew wanted to copy BSG and the Cat Lady "Story Group" isn't genre savvy enough to recognize the plot theft, or also just didn't gaf because they got to cram Admiral Cat Lady in there too.

She confused me to. I thought the deal was just her and Poe didn't get along. Even when they mutinied I figured it was cause Poe had some pull with guys who carried blasters.
But later when she's about to do the hyperdrive kamikaze, the girl next to Poe assumes she's just running away. So like, it's not just Poe being machismo at that point, everyone on the ship literally thinks this bitch is nuts and/or in it for herself. That kind of sentiment only comes from genuinely shitty leadership. At that point "You should have just been a good boy Poe!" doesn't really feel like the argument.

Say what you want about her but I wanted to fuck her brains out.

as long as the leader is female, yes.

She didn't even need to tell them their plan. She just needed to say "don't worry, I got this". She didn't even do that. She just acted like nothing was wrong and she wasn't taking any action. Which rightfully made her subordinates assume she did not have a handle on the situation and needed to be removed from command so that proper actions could be taken.

she was clearly a tulpa

I fucking knew it.

jesus tapdancing christ, i thought the hair was just a style choice. this shit writer revelation really shows that there was a big ass SJW agenda in that movie and it's not just overanalyzing

Even if she thought there was a mole, why wouldn't she have Finn questioned? He's a former First Order trooper, and his knowledge of the super weapon allowed it to be taken out. Also if I'm right but did he also say he was a fucking janitor on Snoke's ship? Wasn't he a janitor on the starkiller base too? How the fuck did know so much?

Why did they make Phasma such a weak bitch anyways? Like, they decided she didn't get enough by being bodied immediately by Chewie last movie. Now she gets bested in melee combat by the same guy who couldn't even beat a regular storm trooper.

Captain Female Useless is there to sell toys, legos, and other merchandise

Well for a general she didn't have much brilliancd either.

Dropping cloaked transports and being a decoy is fine in concept. But why in the fuck wouldn't she just take the jump then? Why remain in system for the imperials to potentially find the ships? Why not leave immediately and force the fleet to give chase while everyone else fled? Did she read the script? Was that what I saw on the floor of her bridge?

>Astrology
Someone hold me

>ASTROLOGY

fuck sake

>her armor literally deflects blaster bolts
>she can't win in melee combat with a shitter trooper
>she decides to go into melee anyways instead of just shooting that rebel scum dead like any good Imperial would do.

Yeah, she should have jumped way before Finn and Rose ruined the plan.

>How does someone make it general without having some semblance of cunning and intelligence?
Never forget that the Rebellion made Lando a General immediately after he betrayed and sold out Han Solo, who was incidentally also a General. They throw around the General rank to anybody with a pulse, in fact Poe might have been the only person in the fleet who WASN'T a General if only because he keeps being demoted.

>Bolt deflecting armor
Why doesn't everyone have this

What? Because of her idiotic leadership out of 400 rebel’s like 7 survived

I don’t get how Disney tries to portray women as great and inspiring leaders, when they absolutely failed everything in this movie, it was a disaster for the rebellion

She was just looking for like half an hour how the empire shot down one of the fleeing ships after another and waited all this time until she fired her ship into the star destroyer thing, what a goddamn bitch

Fuck female propaganda

what mind boggling is that she just refused to inform everyone there was any plan whatsoever
I mean you have hell bearing down all hope is lost and people want answers and you're solution is to be a giant ass bitch about it
That is awful leadership and would end in a "stray blaster shot" hitting her

This unironically makes me like her character design better