This movie was really fucking good and I'm here to defend it
Give me a genuine reason why it should be globally hated and considered objectively bad without doing any of the following (if you hated on it before you even saw it you're out of contention):
>disney shill disney shill wahh wahh I'm a crybaby faggot
>strawmanning with memes like the force is female picture
>spouting off buzzwords like a retarded faggot without any real evidence like Mary Sue
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>Sup Forums is convinced it's a total failure
>Has even gotten contrarian faggots to talk about it nonstop for weeks
so you'll all be faggots and make threads all agreeing each with each other but not make any rational arguments
Why was there a map to Luke?
If he wanted to die he shouldn't have gone where he could be found, and he certainly shouldn't have left a map
What's the point of making a ninrh movie when the entire resistance fits into the Falcon and their allies have abandoned them?
Where is Lando?
Why did Finn kill a bunch of innocent gamblers because a fat Asian boy told him they were bad?
Why did the hyperspace suicide attack not just bounce off of the shields of the ship which was the size of Rhode Island?
How did Rey so easily beat Luke and why was it not a concern that she gave into rage and anger to do so?
Why was Luke not worried that Rey thought the dark side tainted cave was 'cool and fun'
How am I supposed to believe that the person who did the above two things wouldn't be tempted by Kylo's offer? Because she's obviously got dark side leanings
Why does it matter a kid can move a broom with the force? All the Jedi are dead and he's no less vulnerable to getting a blaster bolt to the face
What exactly did Poe do wrong by destroying the ship that was killing all the Resistance transports?
Why does the Resistance now use bombers that aren't even as good as Y wings which are now at least 50 year old tech?
If Phasma had bulletproof armor why did she lower the shield in TFA?
Why is Maz Banana skyping while in a firefight?
How does an escape pod go so fast that it can outrun the ship it launched from even though it shouldn't even have room for a hyperdrive?
Ah fuck it I can't go on, there's plenty more
- Too long
- Didn't go anywhere
- broke established metaphysical rules, even more than TFA did
- broke established aesthetic rules, even more than TFA and R1 did
- Jammed with weird, unfunny jokes
- Nothing makes sense
- People do and say stupid things which get people killed
- Luke's now a self-pitying asshole
- It was a 2 1/2 hour Battlestar Galactica remake with the Star Wars logo on it
The throne room scene was tight tho
>Give me a genuine reason why it should be globally hated and considered objectively bad
breaks the SW universe
>Hutt baby was a fucking stupid idea
>Dooku personally negotiating with Jabba
>Padme subplot was dumb
>ultimately forgettable
>broke established metaphysical rules, even more than TFA did
>- broke established aesthetic rules, even more than TFA and R1 did
So just like the prequels?
>What's the point of making a ninrh movie when the entire resistance fits into the Falcon and their allies have abandoned them?
Doesn't take a genius to flesh this one out.
No, the prequels were consistent with Lucas' universe. They didn't contradict anything.
>Why was there a map to Luke?
How do you think Luke found the first Jedi temple to begin with? With that exact map.
Per definition, yes.
I mean aside from milking money, there isn't a point. You expect to believe ~20 people can carry on a GALACTIC WAR?
Are you fucking serious? 20 people couldn't take over Cuba. It took 82 people and a country that was already falling apart. That's an island. That's not even a fucking planet.
>- Didn't go anywhere
Established Kylo as the new Supreme Leader, and truly set him on his path rather than serve as Snoke's errand boy.
>- broke established metaphysical rules, even more than TFA did
Which rules?
WHY WOULD HE GO TO THE JEDI TEMPLE TO DIE? There is a fucking map to that place.. with a galaxy of a trillion stars there had to be literally hundreds of millions of planets he could to where no one would ever find him, but instead he goes to the most obvious place?
You're an idiot.
smoke?
>- It was a 2 1/2 hour Battlestar Galactica remake with the Star Wars logo on it
Star Blazers even
>Why was there a map to Luke?
If he wanted to die he shouldn't have gone where he could be found, and he certainly shouldn't have left a map
It's called a last resort you dip.
>Where is Lando?
>What's the point of making a ninrh movie when the entire resistance fits into the Falcon and their allies have abandoned them?
Not sure how this makes TLJ bad.
>Why did Finn kill a bunch of innocent gamblers because a fat Asian boy told him they were bad?
Fuck off.
>How did Rey so easily beat Luke and why was it not a concern that she gave into rage and anger to do so?
>Why was Luke not worried that Rey thought the dark side tainted cave was 'cool and fun'
>How am I supposed to believe that the person who did the above two things wouldn't be tempted by Kylo's offer? Because she's obviously got dark side leanings
The whole point of the plot was that there is a balance with regards to the force and that just someone being angry doesn't make them sith.
>Why does it matter a kid can move a broom with the force? All the Jedi are dead and he's no less vulnerable to getting a blaster bolt to the face
To show anyone can be force-sensitive, even a nobody like Rey. Did we watch the same movie?
>What exactly did Poe do wrong by destroying the ship that was killing all the Resistance transports?
Poe didn't destroy that ship?
Your whole post is just shitty nitpicks.
I've yet to see a positive review actually explain why it's a good movie beyond using buzzwords like "fresh", "twists", "subversion". Sorry, but these critics are faggots protecting their paychecks and should all be fired, fined, and put in jail. If we had a real government that protected the people, these corporations wouldn't be able to fuck people over so much.
>60% of the movie was dedicated to a subplot that went nowhere
>said subplot could have been avoided if Holdo just shared her plan with the highest-ranking pilot in the rebels
>even if she couldn't share that plan, she could have said she had *A* plan to convince him they weren't doomed
>Snoke being an incredibly powerful sith was never explained and never will be explained, he just popped up out of nowhere to have a bad guy
>link between Rey and Kylo doesn't have anything to do with identical link between Luke and Leia (if you're going to have people magically linked together in identical ways, the reasons for those links should be similar or at least explained)
>after a monumental loss, first order is stronger than ever, and the rebels go against them with like 20 guys
>how can rey swim?
>if luke was going to die, why not actually show up to the battle rather than force projecting himself?
>porgs were overdone, a few porg jokes would be fine but it was seriously out of hand merchandising garbage
>nowhere to go in 3rd film
>way too fucking long for a movie where nothing significant happens
>no emotional punch
not an argument
and what did snoke do exactly? who was he?
nevermind the constant corny remarks during that whole casino sequence the whole movie was shit
who the hell did say the prequels were any good?
Sup Forums. Pay attention.
What's it feel like to be a brainlet?
>Fuck off
Nice counterargument faggot
You can't shit on one movie for reasons that three other movies are known for. There's no established anything.
Wtf I love soy now
Great arguments I'm totally convinced wowee
No but seriously though, if you have nothing just don't respond
There wasn't even a valid argument there, hence the "Fuck off". So fuck off.
I didn't write this awful script so you're asking the wrong guy
The irony here is that you yourself have nothing to say.
He wanted to die there, because as much as he felt ashamed of his failure and the failure of the Jedi order, he still felt that it was a significant place to him. He wanted to live out the rest of his days in the place where the Jedi order had begun.
Lor San Tekka and R2 still having parts of the map to locate that site was just something he didn't have much influence over.
No legitimate arguments against TLJ here LUL
oh come on there have been SO many threads and SO many posted videos with genuine critizism that you not seeing it means you dont want to see it.
go fuck yourself
bravo user you got them
Why didn't literally everyone in the history of hyperdrive technology resort to using it as a weapon, considering how insanely effective it is? This question is doubly damning when you stop to consider that even the bridge crew if the ship getting rammed knew what was about to happen.
That means they could have offloaded one of their own vessels and light speed rammed the rebels at any time.
Sadly, that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the flaw this movie introduces. By presenting hyperdive as something that can be used as a weapon, there is literally no reason everyone everywhere wouldn't be using purpose-built missiles to employ it in every single battle.
"Why didn't the Rebels just LSR the Death Star?" is a question that we have a reason to ask now, thanks to the short-sighted idiocy of Johnson and his Disney minders, but sadly, the implications go even deeper - "Why even build a Death Star at all?" That's how fundamentally broken all conflict, future and past, is in Star Wars now.
Also, since when can untrained children just use the Force? Isn't that something that's supposed to take focus, training, and mental discipline? What happened to the dedication that's supposed to be involved?
The prequels are awesome, this is known among those with taste
i dont get why Sup Forums is sperging out over it? seemed good to me. better than rogue one. maybe not as good as force awakens tho.
>So just like the prequels?
wait, are you trying to say that because A is also shit B in conclusion is good?
kek
>Why was there a map to Luke?
Luke's whereabouts was some valuable information, maybe someone found out and mapped it out for money or some shit, who cares
>If he wanted to die he shouldn't have gone where he could be found, and he certainly shouldn't have left a map
It's the hardest place in the galaxy to find, and I guess he made a map in case they really needed his help but the map got all fucked up (Is it in a book or some shit that Luke made the map? These are more TFA nitpicks anyway)
>What's the point of making a ninrh movie when the entire resistance fits into the Falcon and their allies have abandoned them?
I guess you'll have to find out. Maybe the Empire divides in two and half of them help the resistance. Anything can happen in the next movie
>Where is Lando?
He's already been on one suicide mission for the rebellion, he doesn't owe them another.
>Why did Finn kill a bunch of innocent gamblers because a fat Asian boy told him they were bad?
Are you talking about when they crashed in with those horse things? Or did I miss him shooting innocent people to death?
>Why did the hyperspace suicide attack not just bounce off of the shields of the ship which was the size of Rhode Island?
How powerful do you think shields are in Star Wars? Because they're not strong enough to handle a lightspeed attack from a giant ship. Is that impossible to comprehend?
>How did Rey so easily beat Luke and why was it not a concern that she gave into rage and anger to do so?
She had the lightsaber and he had a fucking stick. He also turned himself away from the force. And of course it was concerning, did you want them to make a big statement or something? They've shown enough times that Rey is being seduced by the dark side.
>Why was Luke not worried that Rey thought the dark side tainted cave was 'cool and fun'
He was scared. Did we watch the same movie? He ran away after she did her force meditation thing
cont
>How am I supposed to believe that the person who did the above two things wouldn't be tempted by Kylo's offer? Because she's obviously got dark side leanings
Just like Kylo she's got both light and dark inside her. Just more light for Rey and vice versa for Kylo.
>Why does it matter a kid can move a broom with the force? All the Jedi are dead and he's no less vulnerable to getting a blaster bolt to the face
It represented hope. It's a running theme for the ending of most star wars films
>What exactly did Poe do wrong by destroying the ship that was killing all the Resistance transports?
Disobeying orders and mutineering.
>Why does the Resistance now use bombers that aren't even as good as Y wings which are now at least 50 year old tech?
The Resistance doesn't have a lot of money
>If Phasma had bulletproof armor why did she lower the shield in TFA?
A blaster shot point black from underneath the helmet will still fucking kill her
>Why is Maz Banana skyping while in a firefight?
Didn't like this scene either, but it was some bar quarrel where she was acting like it happens very often and wasn't serious
>How does an escape pod go so fast that it can outrun the ship it launched from even though it shouldn't even have room for a hyperdrive?
The expanded universe is over, the hyperdrive can be whatever the fuck they want, also the ship is fucking huge, it takes way more power to move that thing forward than an escape pod
>Ah fuck it I can't go on, there's plenty more
Try me faggot. Less nitpicks next time
It really is the smartest Star Wars.
There have been thousands of legitimate criticisms that don't fall into any of those categories. I will give a few.
>Commander Holdo's behaviour is nonsensical. The conflict is entirely artificial as it relies on her not sharing in formation with Poe, for absolutely no reason. Even at gunpoint and mutineer, a logical person would be able to realise that not sharing the plan is clearly harming the success of the mission.
>lightspeed ramming. This retroactively adds plot holes to every Star Wars movie and presumably all future ones as it's unlikely to be mentioned again. Its a lazy deus ex machina and damages the coherence of the universe. It also took me, as well as a lot of other people I have spoken to, right out of the movie. Within seconds my thought was "why don't they always do that?" It's like how they cured death on Star Trek Into Darkness.
>Finn and Rose are pointless characters amd their side story had no impact on the plot or their characters. It also had ham-fisted morals like "capitalism is bad" and "animal cruelty is bad".
>Finn has been turned into a joke a character. He had one good moment where I thought he was going to sacrifice himself. This would have fit his character arc nicely and was genuinely sad. Instead it was just a fake out death.
>Roses values make no sense. She states sacrifice isn't the solution (despite them all being alive because of Holdo's sacrifice) and that only love can solve problems. What?
>they spend the whole film talking about how they were the spark that would light the resistance. Then at the end, nobody bothers to show up and help the. I was honestly expecting some sort of rag tag alliance of individuals to show up (maybe a surprise Lando cameo) led by Rey and Luke. Instead it's only Rey (who was already involved so it doesn't really count) and Luke who promptly dies.
I could go into more detail but I need to board my plane soon.ultimatey I still liked the film but it has problems. Merry Christmas.
Copying and pasting from old thread:
PROS
>music was better than TFA
>the speech Snoke gives before he dies. "Where I sensed conflict, I now sense resolve..." Predictable but awesome.
>Kylo realising that Luke isn't really there
>Luke's death
>The revelation of Rey's parents subverting all the build-up and expectations - they're just fucksticks who sold their child
>The hyper-space jump through a star destroyer
>The first scene with Poe and the bombers
>The real reason Kylo is what he is
>Rey thinking that Kylo turned for her but really he just wanted to take Snoke's place
>The Falcon's shadow's entrance
CONS
>Super-Leia (fuck spoiler tags for this bullshit). One of the worst scenes in any Star Wars film
>Rose.
>The space nuns
>Lack of R2
>Everything about the casino sequence
>the final scene with the kid
>Rose stopping Finn from destroying the laser
>the disappearing dice
>Luke's astral projection using his old, destroyed blue lightsaber inexplicably
MEH
>Porgs
>Finn
>Purple-haired admiral
>Rey's cavern vision
>Hux
>Phasma
>The Rey+Kylo vs Snoke's guards
>shirtless Kylo
>BB8
6/10 movie.
He was a powerful Force user, the Supreme Leader of the First Order, and the one to turn Ben Sol to the dark side.
>force awakens
>good
ya this websites cancer i forgot
First reply is basically ‘whatever, who cares’
Dropped, don’t make the effort next time if you have nothing
Youre a fucking faggot.
>this website is cancer because a movie I like routinely gets shit on
Glad you dropped it, if you're that ignorant why waste your time. Back to your contrarian lemmings
I sincerely and unironically think it's a god damn masterpiece compared to TLJ
>TLJ was shit it ruined the series
I didn't like it
i haven't seen it
:^)
Oh no! A fun whimsical moment! Good thing TLJ eschewed that in favor of Spaceballs / Hardware Wars gags!
because every movie video game or music gets shit on. just a negative mindset really. unhealthy stuff.
I just don't see what makes the TLJ fun but somewhat dumb moments so much worse than the prequel ones.
Even the casino is at worst jar-jar level.
>whimsical
ok pack up it's over
Half of your answer just opens up more plotholes, mate. That's how far the rabbit hole goes.
>Luke's whereabouts was some valuable information, maybe someone found out and mapped it out for money or some shit, who cares
It's called internal consistency. It's important kid.
>It's the hardest place in the galaxy to find,
No it isn't.
>and I guess he made a map in case they really needed his help but the map got all fucked up
But he went to that island to die. Why would he leave a map? You didn't answer the question kid.
>I guess you'll have to find out. Maybe the Empire divides in two and half of them help the resistance. Anything can happen in the next movie
Kek.
>He's already been on one suicide mission for the rebellion, he doesn't owe them another.
The fans wanted to see him. He disappeared and no-one talks about him. Again, where is he? You didn't answer the question kid.
>How powerful do you think shields are in Star Wars? Because they're not strong enough to handle a lightspeed attack from a giant ship. Is that impossible to comprehend?
You are literally defending hyperspace ramming.
>The expanded universe is over, the hyperdrive can be whatever the fuck they want, also the ship is fucking huge, it takes way more power to move that thing forward than an escape pod
Kek.
>The Resistance doesn't have a lot of money
How and why? How is that even possible? They don't have Y wings, which are one of the less costly ships in the galaxy? How and why does the Resistance have less money and resources than the Rebellion?
>It represented hope. It's a running theme for the ending of most star wars films
There's no hope without Jedi. Again, you didn't answer the question kid.
This is so funny. I could talk about that movie all day long. At least Disney gave us a good laugh, at your expanse sure, but still a good laugh.
that part was awesome faggot
>>Why does it matter a kid can move a broom with the force? All the Jedi are dead and he's no less vulnerable to getting a blaster bolt to the face
>To show anyone can be force-sensitive, even a nobody like Rey. Did we watch the same movie?
Anakin "Darth Vader" Skywalker has always been an exception; a child of prophecy who was rumoured to have been created by Darth Plaguies. Luke and Ben were both his offspring. There is absolutely no reason to have a nobody with no real training or experience in the force beat them.
Every single Jedi who was stronger than Anakin and his midichlorian genetics had went through intense training their whole fucking life.
If Disney wants to go full on OT-copy for their whole universe now they should have Retconned the Prequel trilogy and the Clone Wars show.
>that soda
Oh, It shows
>Why was there a map to Luke?
Could just be the map to the planet that Luke used.
>If he wanted to die he shouldn't have gone where he could be found, and he certainly shouldn't have left a map
Maybe he didn't leave it, R2 might have been a naughty boy.
>What's the point of making a ninrh movie when the entire resistance fits into the Falcon and their allies have abandoned them?
>Where is Lando?
Not a problem with the movie.
>Why did Finn kill a bunch of innocent gamblers because a fat Asian boy told him they were bad?
Heartily keked, but we didn't see anybody die and it wasn't exactly part of the plan to stampede the Ritz.
>Why did the hyperspace suicide attack not just bounce off of the shields of the ship which was the size of Rhode Island?
Too much for the shields to handle, clearly.
>How did Rey so easily beat Luke and why was it not a concern that she gave into rage and anger to do so?
Right, lets put this one to bed. She did not, in any way, beat Luke. During the short fight she was clearly outmatched the entire confrontation, she was clearly trying to hit him and he dodged and countered every move easily without trying to hit her in return. When she pulled a lightsaber he hopped back, tripped then caught himself with the force, he was so in control of the situation he never touched the ground.
Why was Luke not worried that Rey thought the dark side tainted cave was 'cool and fun'
How am I supposed to believe that the person who did the above two things wouldn't be tempted by Kylo's offer? Because she's obviously got dark side leanings
a "literally who?" character with no backstory at all who was just a bad copy of Sidious from the OT
The prequel gags don't take you out of the universe. TLJ had the over the shoulder lightsaber throw gag, the shot of the steaming iron and the prank phone call. (Which legit made me 'feel the walls' of that set during that scene. I was waiting for Lone Star to be on the other end of the line)
I forgive the caretakers humor, porg humor and Based Sicario Man's humor as those were all grounded in the world
>buh but Han made jokes on an intercom!!
NOT IN THE FIRST FUCKING SCENE. YOU NEED TO SET THE TONE
I uniroincally enjoyed this scene.
Cont.
>Why was Luke not worried that Rey thought the dark side tainted cave was 'cool and fun'
She didn't, and he was clearly concerned when she connected to it.
>How am I supposed to believe that the person who did the above two things wouldn't be tempted by Kylo's offer? Because she's obviously got dark side leanings
She was tempted, not because she has DS leanings but because she sincerely wants to help. Luke had a similar thing when trying to save his Dad.
>Why does it matter a kid can move a broom with the force? All the Jedi are dead and he's no less vulnerable to getting a blaster bolt to the face
Because there's hope for the Jedi's return. You massive dopey spastic.
>What exactly did Poe do wrong by destroying the ship that was killing all the Resistance transports?
He lost a lot of pilots whilst disobeying orders.
>Why does the Resistance now use bombers that aren't even as good as Y wings which are now at least 50 year old tech?
One bomber took down the dreadnought, obviously they're more effective.
>If Phasma had bulletproof armor why did she lower the shield in TFA?
Because Chewie could still beat her to death, she had a blaster under her chin, and she's completely out for herself. Fuck the First Order if her ass is on the line, that's her modus operandi.
>Why is Maz Banana skyping while in a firefight?
That was silly. But who cares?
>How does an escape pod go so fast that it can outrun the ship it launched from even though it shouldn't even have room for a hyperdrive?
It didn't? It fell out of Hyperspace where they wanted it to and the Falcon kept going in Hyperspace.
Ok to save time I'll just say the creation of the map isn't important, not a consistency error, the movie says it's the hardest place to find, Lando didn't fit into the story nor is he obligated to join the Resistance, money has never made sense in Star Wars, and Rey can be a jedi
I think you have a superiority complex with all the times you called me kid
I've always viewed the FO as a dangerous joke, so I guess that's why I didn't have a problem with the Hux scene.
Read this, then get back to us, shill.
>shill
uh oh you broke one of the only rules faggot
also, criticisms and nitpicks don't make the movie objectively bad, sorry friend
Literally the first scene in the movie is WHO MADE THAT MAN A TELEPHONE OPERATOR I DID SIR I'M HIS COUSIN
It colours expectation for the entire movie, and not necessarily for the better
>Bombs can't drop in space
They can be pushed downwards, and won't stop unless there's a counter-impulse.
>Rose's siter isn't sucked out
force field
>Leia exposed to vacuum and survives
Happens IRL, look it up
>Leia can drift through space
no friction, simplest of force pull is enough to get you moving quick
>How does Snoke not know
Snoke is an idiot
>aboard the main ship, no one trusts him
Enough do to start a mutiny with him
>Holdo doesn't X
Holdo is an idiot
>but the supreme leader doesn't know?
Snoke is an idiot
>Why is there a map to Luke
It's how he found the jedi temple in the first place
>Why are Porgs there?
Add alien fauna
>Her time with Luke doesn't change anything for her
Better understanding of the force, and setting up her later fall to the Dark Side isn't nothing
>Snoke mentions he played Kylo
Snoke is an idiot and full of shit
>Kylo stabs Snoke
Snoke is an idiot
>Snoke doesn't see it coming
Snoke is an idiot
>Kylo's still bad
Turns out performing the traditional Sith rank ascencion ceremony doesn't turn you back to the Light. What a surprise!
>Rey refuses - Rey's still good
Turns out being easily tempted by the Dark Side doesn't mean you're willing to give up what you care about in exchange for things you don't care about. What a surprise!
Exactly
Maybe that's the only good TLJ caused
there's a lot of implying here to be honest
I love this post.
How could Poe shoot at the Star Destroyer at the beginning of the movie ? Isn't it supposed to have a shield ?
Why does it take so long for 10 Star Destroyers to destroy the Resistance flagship ? Juste because it has a shield though the Star Destroyers don't ?
What is the whole point of the escape plan ? The Resistance escape ships have a cloaking device, but it turns out that the First Order have an anti-cloaking device that they forgot to turn on. How dumb exactly are the First Order people ?
What does it mean for the escape ships to have a cloaking device when you could spot them just by looking through the window ? "The First Order is focused on the flagship and doesn't expect the Resistance to escape in secondary ships". Well when you're shooting at someone, the first thing you should expect is that they escape, you retard.
Why does it take so long for the First Order to shoot these unarmored escape ships once they spotted them ?
When was it ever even implied that Luke left a map? Never. Han said people think he went to find the first Jedi temple. That's what the map was to, not Luke specifically. The rest of your gripes make me wonder how you manage to survive crossing a street.
The planet may have been purposefully erased from the archives, the same way Kamino had been in AotC. Holy shit, a callback to the prequels!
avoiding all the obvious stuff, like out of place humor, dumb uses of the force, pointless chunks of the movie that go nowhere, out of character behavior....
The Last Jedi is not an island. It's the 2nd act of a 3 part story. 2nd acts set the conflict, raise the stakes and build on the first act. This movie did none of these things, it diffuses all the building blocks given to it by the first movie with a whimper and sets up nothing for the sequel. All it does is pave the way for the same conflict we saw in the first trilogy with new characters. It gives a firm middle finger to the movie before it and whatever Disney shits out to follow it.
They spent their time making Kylo Ren's conflicted, they even start to show Rey being conflicted too. Even Finn learn's through DJ that everything isn't black or white buuuut it ends with Rey being as good as ever and Kyli the big bad guy, oh yeah how original and subversif.
The only thing that don't convince in this SW is doble huge deathstars, dooku protected the blueprints for the future construction of normal deathstars, even the construction of one lasted like 40 or 50 years? In V you see one already operational and in VII you see another unfinished. Now in this disney remakes you see there was another one twice or triple size, that nobody knew until leia was too old
Oh and friendly reminder we still don't have mara jade, force witches, thrawn empire and yusan vons
anyone got a link so i can see this abomination for free ? im poor.
Get a job then. If you have time to shit post here you have time to improve your life.
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There are some decent cams around
Don't pay to see this fucking shit
It wasn't that bad but most of the reasons for characters to go from point A to point B, be it in the plot or in character developement, felt really forced.
It's like watching a nice dress made of patchwork and seeing all the stiching because the dressmaker couldn't be bothered to hide them.
I did enjoy that they didn't go overboard with the exposition. In that sense it was more mature than TFA. Even if you think SW is for kids, kids aren't morons who need their hand held. That's the adult fanboys.
It looked good. Crazy ass curmudgeon Luke was based (but like I said his reasons for being like that felt very artificial. Like the PLOT demanded that he wa slike that no matter how). The milk scene was great, fuck the meme spouting haters.
Some scene were weird though. Chewie roasting porgs? WTF? I get the vegan thing, but did you hae to make Chewie into a porg killing cannibal to get your point across?
Same with pseudo-pedo Luke and his Lightdick of Peepingtomness.
This is what I mean by artificial ways of making a character go form A to B.
Still, it was almost a 7/10 movie (5 being average and decent/good). The plot writing is the weak link. The dialogue wasn't that bad. But the way the plot points were handled and reached was subpar.
I also said that I liked the lack of over-exposition, but they also droped the ball when there should have been exposition/foreshadowing (Super Leia. Lightspeed missiles). They did it for the sake of muh surprises.
Didn't like the the movie, but in my opinion some of this questions have easy answers.
>Why did Finn kill a bunch of innocent gamblers because a fat Asian boy told him they were bad?
It is justify by the abuse of the horse like animals and the fact that they were making bank out financing both the resistance and the first order. Stupid nonetheless.
>How did Rey so easily beat Luke and why was it not a concern that she gave into rage and anger to do so?
Because she is the "light equivalent" to Kylo, according to Snoke at least. Which is aswell justification on the director part to answer how much a mary sue she is.
>How am I supposed to believe that the person who did the above two things wouldn't be tempted by Kylo's offer? Because she's obviously got dark side leanings
Same answer as the last one, then again a stupid justification.
>Why does it matter a kid can move a broom with the force? All the Jedi are dead and he's no less vulnerable to getting a blaster bolt to the face
It's supposed to represent Hope has new beginnings and the tales of the resistance will ignite a revolution, also that in reality the jedi will never die. One of the scenes that i hated the most.
>What exactly did Poe do wrong by destroying the ship that was killing all the Resistance transports?
In doing so he sacrificed one of the bomber ships and its crew and the resistance already was low on men and ships as it was.
At least these are the ones I can answer. Agian, don't get me wrong, this movie is a mess.
MILKIES
>defending a heartless, poorly written mess of a movie produced by DisneyCorp with no redeeming qualities whatsoever besides perhaps the visuals
this board is truly lost. you fanboys are disgusting.
Nitpicks, plot holes, and the egregious treatment of Luke aside, here's why the film is hot garbage.
It had inconsistent pacing. The trip to Canto Bight was out of place and didn't tie in well with the rest of the story. A lot happened over the course of the movie and yet the story didn't really progress. Everyone is more or less in the same spot as when the film began, except for Luke, Snoke and Finn.
The themes felt vague and half-baked. We get mentions of balance, redemption, sacrifice, capitalism is bad, letting go of the past, and love being stronger than hate. But none of that is fully explored. The movie didn't take a definitive stance on any of it.
Questions raised in the previous film are ignored or nullified.
The humor feels out of place and too jokey. Tense or meaningful moments are often undercut with a joke that takes away from the seriousness of the scene. For example the prank call to Hux, or Rey almost killing a caretaker with a rock.
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