You autists realise that Star Wars physics has never made sense right?

You autists realise that Star Wars physics has never made sense right?
Space ships in a vacuum shouldn't fly like fighter planes. There is a lot wrong with TLJ but nitpicking the physics is pointless.

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if only someone would come up with the technology to strap a warhead onto some type of propulsion device so you can shoot the enemy from far away

There's a big fucking difference than flying a jet through space and floating around in the vacuum of space without a suit.

Nobody is complaining about physics, but there's this thing called internal consistency, and that's why weponizing hyperspace destroys everything

>fighters fly like planes
Doesn't affect plot
>explosions in space
Doesn't affect plot
>hyperspace can now be weaponized, a tactic that would've instantly solved many many situations in the previous movies
Gee, what autists!

Why can't superman just collide into his enemies at light speed?

Within the same flick you have leia floating in space motionless then flying through it, and in another scene ships dropping bombs like they were in atmosphere. As another user said internal consistency isn't maintained even in the same 2.5 hours.
And I don't care if the bombs were "magnets", or any other bullshit excuse retrospectively tacked on.

Hardly anyone is complaining about this. Who are you arguing with?

>blu blu blu I saw a clickbait article saying there was an outrage

That's a question we'd be asking if he ever took out an enemy like that.

I've thought about this. If they were magnets, why didn't they pull the whole ship down into the dreadnaught

t. Disney damage control

The bombs were clearly, CLEARLY, launched on a rail. Open your fucking eyes.

Didn't he do that to the ook ook leader in BvS?

Actually in this movie, for the first time I can remember, for a single scene Poe's fighter is able to do a hard turn like the ships in Battlestar Galactica, but then they just go back to planes in space.

Because if he did he'd destroy planet Earth, has been said ad nauseam, Flash can because Speed Force is magic.

Next?

When kylo stopped the blaster shot in the first film, shouldn't the bullet have been a sphere, not a stretched sphere?
Wouldn't it be exactly like stopping a conventional tracer round? As in it would leave a regular bullet and not the tracer effect

Is it a bullet? don't blasters shoot hyperheated plasma?

Not only does Leia fly through space, she flies through space faster than her starship.
Jedi starfighters are absolutely pointless, apparently. Jedi might as well just fly through space with their lightsabers out and fight off the droids that way if they can all breathe in space and fly faster than ships.

Then why wouldn't there just be a sphere of this plasma instead wtf

plasma isn't shot in "sphere"
It's deformed by the speed and like light it streaches out, if you took a "picture" of it it would look like a line.

That's what he's saying. If it was held in place it would be a sphere.

They probably had safeties some sort so that magnets wouldn't turn on until they left the ship.

Presumedly the bombers are magnetised opposite to bombs as well thinking about it, or they would just fly back and stick to the ship.

Regardless I'm pretty sure the ships engines are stronger than what the magnets.

I think that's stupid and wrong, it might look stretched when it is in flight but it is just a regular blob of laser goo and that's what it should have looked like when kylo stopped the shot

>using capeshit to defend shitty writing
You have been defeated, mousenigger

depends how it works, when you hit a golf ball it doesn't travel in spherical form

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Speed and forces deform objects, even bullets, and and don't really know how plasma work but is not as solid as a bullet so I assume it gets more deformed?

Alright I guess it's pointless to argue because we can never know how this stupid "plasma" bullshit actually works.

user, try to reread his question

If you "stop" a flamethrower does it look like a small sphere of fire?

leave that aside
They dropped bombs in space as if they were in an atmosphere with gravity present
youtu.be/9QJRw56cOVw?t=326

>Kylo's power returns objects to their original form before being deformed by the shot/speed
If it worked like that, sure, plasma is whatever it was before traveling fast

When you fire an arrow it bends, doesn't go in a straight line it coils and travels like a snake, if you could "stop" it in midair it wouldn't look like before being shot, it would look like vid related

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lol, your entreaty to the reason of man-children is futile

This isn't fire, it's "superheated plasma" which is a term that makes me roll my eyes out of my skull

>Legolas: Damn, why did we all traveled to the mount doom? If I fired an arrow at an orc Sauron would have died
>Others: What? why didn't you say you could do that? why didn't you do that before? why didn't that happen all the times you fired an arrow at an orc?
>Legolas: Lol, don't overthink it

? Superheated plasma exists, user. Plasma is one of the possible states of matter.

The best example is that big ass yellow/orange ball in the space. And Fire is probably the nearest example for non scientists of what plasma is.

The bombs were housed on rails. There is zero visual evidence that these rails propelled the bombs at all. Go to bed Rian, your career is over

Plasma is scifi shit, user, it doesn't exist. Holy shit fucking manchildren.

Minovsky particles.

The term makes me irritated because i don't like trying to think of using ionised gas as a projectile because first of all it's impossible second of all I don't see how it could be possible

>what is the sun
>what is fire
>what is lightning

derp

Those are as related to the blaster shot as wine is to pepsi

What do you mean by impossible? Plasma torchest exist. Or you mean propelling them like a projectile? Enough scientists think that would be possible in a near future, I trust them.

Troll smarter, not harder

Do you have a single fact to back that up

>Dude, it's just fiction. Who cares about the internal inconsistencies and inability to follow the rules previous established for itself. Just turn your brain off, bro.

Yes, literally completely correct, they share the same state of matter

Wine and Pepsi are both liquid, fire and superheated plasma are both plasma

I'm actually starting to think you're trolling. Railguns is an example.

Raiguns fire metal bullets you mong

I hate it when people try to apply real world physics to star wars like they are so smart, like their criticisms are "scientifically correct so you can't argue with them".
I guess Star Wars is only for a certain demographic that's intelligent enough to understand that it's fantasy, not science.

I'm too lazy to explain shit to someone who's literally too dumb to understand star wars.

>Shills still can't differenciate internal consistency with realism so they still play the "lol it's just fantasy!" card

What internal consistency? Most of the complaints are people simply being too stupid to understand what's actually going on in the movie.
And it IS just fantasy. It's not based on real life science.

They would have been much better off just calling it a laser, which was what it functioned as.
The starfighter physics has always functioned as WWII in space. The bombers continued with that theme. You can dislike the scene, but it is the same logic that has always existed in Star Wars. If I want to see flying guided missiles in space I would watch Star Trek.
>Leia broke physics by flying through space.
First of all people believe that you will have time to survive in an explosive decompression, death is not instantaneous (see both GotG movies). Second, the physics of how she returned to the ship are accurate. This is because of Newtons second law, every action has an equal and opposite reaction. She force pulled the ship at a certain force, only slowing it a very very very miniscule amount while speeding herself up by a much greater amount due to differences in mass. Also when she was blown from the ship she would not have lost forward momentum because there is no friction in space.
>Lightspeed attack will ruin future films
Weaponized Lightspeed was already in the expanded universe. The Sun Crusher was one of the most powerful superweapons ever created and all it did was ram things at lightspeed (such as stars and star destroyers). This is a trope they probably won't rely on much for the good guys because in our culture suicide bombing is seen as a relatively evil thing.

In the next movie dont be suprised one bit if the sun crusher shows up as the new superweapon that they have to stop.

Star Wars is literally for children user. They can be enjoyed by anyone in the same way that anyone can enjoy Wreck it Ralph or The Emoji Movie.

See, you can't still distinguish both. Internal consistency has NOTHING to do with realism.

yep

The only time I can think of people bitching about Star Wars physics was the Hyperspace Ram thing from the last movie and that was because it went against canon or something.

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That handles the internal consistency issues

I don't think they broke internal consistency. Besides you can just use "the force" or "destiny" to explain anything in star wars.

But there's no consistency at all. There's no reason for x wings and tie fighters to ever exist. It should just be capital ships dueling it out Star trek style. There's nothing you can do in star wars space battles to break immersion because only retards ever took it remotely seriously. It's just ww2 in space. Be happy with that.

The visual evidence is that they fell, you idiot

Ships in Star Wars like the Millenium Falcon have gravity inside them. They have some gravity generator. That's why they can walk around in them. There's your explanation for how the bombs are "dropped". They are dropped and when they exit the ship, they use magnets. You can find out more about these magnets if you buy the TLJ Visual Dictionary that they made specifically for turbo autists like you.

The sun crusher was a single ship, no other could do that and it was destroyed.

Now every ship, every motherfuking ship, from an xwing to a space trash truck can do that, somehow nobody tried. And in every trilogy you see the good guys kamikazing themselves into the bad guys, so is not something that the rebels might see as "evil" Then there's the fact that the bad guys have no problem in doing that kind of stuff like genoziding or blowing up planets to just take a single person out. Plus you have motherfucking autopilots and droids.

Then there's the other problem, I don't want to read 10001 books, comics, tv shows, visual dictionaries and other stuff to explain the plot of the movies.

Ships in the Star Wars universe have artificial gravity. This artificial gravity extends spherically around the ship. The reason the bombers had to get so close was to get the bombs inside the artificial gravity field of the capitol ship.

And sir, you still don't understand what internal consistency means.

>Some aspects of Star Wars have always been stupid.
>Therefore its fine that TLJ falls apart as soon as you think about it for a fucking second.
Fuck off retard

You are kinda moving the goal posts here. Even within the universe they have no reason for starfighters to exist, I agree with that other user

Sure, I'll buy it, that wasn't my problem with the scene at all, but why did they have to be so fucking slow and have no shields (I assume because a single hit from a TIE destroyed one)? Y-wings, 50 year older, were faster and endured slightly more damage, why not use them?

Every ship in the star wars universe could always do that. The downsides are that it is easily dodgeable (The commander is an idiot) due to the runup time to lightspeed which they downplayed significantly.

You also cannot make the jump to lightspeed inside a gravity well, and gravity wells pull you from hyperspace, which most if not all of the combat in the series occurred within. I actually defy you to find a single time in the series outside of this fight where combat occurred far enough from a gravity well that this attack would have even been possible.

2nd and 4th post are about internal consistency, yours came later, it's you who is trying to move the goalpost

Because Y wings have a capacity of 8 Photon Torpedoes, whereas those bombers (which appeared to be a new model of B wing) appeared to house 200 + of the explosive component.

Just for reference in the expanded universe in The Bacta War it takes about 200 proton torpedo hits to take out a SSD which would have been 24 Y wings minimum. Probably more due to the fact that the tie fighters could probably knock some of the missiles out of the sky. The bombers hav ethe benefit of that much power, but they can concentrate it in such a manner that it will easily break the shields.

>Every ship in the star wars universe could always do that
Then why nobody did that before? is a game changer.

>Easily dodgeable
Really? Holdo clicked a button and boom, she went throught the FO in no time, at normal speed you can't evade that, and to hyperspace safely you have to make calculations that take time you don't have. So why is it "easily dodgeable"? nobody in the FO seemed to be able to dodge that, she literally destroyed the Supremacy and every destroyed behind it, are you telling me not even a single one pilot was able to dodge it? then doesn't seem "easily dodgeable"

>find a single time
Can you rephrase the question? Are you asking me to find a battle that happens away from a planet/star because you think you can't hyperspace there? I don't follow you in this one

Rebels hyperspaced to Endor system (I assume that has a gravity well), and were going to hyperspace out if it weren't for the Executor and other destroyers attacking them.

Rebels hyperspaced out of Scariff (another gravity well assume), some, others were hit before being able to escape.

What are you asking exactly?

>Poe, bring your bombers here right now!
>Can't do, once out of the hangar they can't return because your capital ship is faster, they're done
Kek, I dunno why Leia was angry, he was right, once out is impossible to bring them back during a fight, the FO would have surrounded the capital ship before the bombers reached the hangar. Those shits were fucking slow.

kill yourself shill rat

No. There's no internal consistency to start out with. You can't break what's already broken.

>Space ships in a vacuum shouldn't fly like fighter planes.
If you're going to complain about "muh realism" then space fighters in general are a retarded idea.
In universe though there is some bullshit technology to hand wave this away. Aetheric Rudders, inertial compensators, and other goofy stuff like that.

Why didn't she aim at the bridge?

It would have been better if:
1. It was Leia or Akbar the ones piloting the last moments of the Raddus
2. The either rammed at normal speed or they turned into a shield to protect the smaller pods

The hyperspace ram only openned a can of worms, and they knew it was going to open a can of worms, this happened with the Sun Crusher and in other scifi settings in where they weponized FTL

I thought I was pretty clear but apparently not. You cannot enter into hyperspace inside of a gravity well, and you also get pulled from hyperspace by a gravity well. At Endor the rebels jumped in to the edge of the gravity well and then had to travel to the Death Star through normal space. The Star Destroyers were not the reason that they could not go to lightspeed, but there are things called interdiction fields which are basically huge gravity wells that block hyperspace. The fact that the imperial fleet had some of these was why they could not escape.

With the battle of Scarif the imperials had a lot of time once the plans were retrieved before the jump to lightspeed. This was time that was being used to escape the gravity well.


The movie even made mention of the fact that it could have been prevented by saying ("It appears to be turning around...30 second pause...Then Hux realizes what is happening. All he had to do was turn on a single interdiction drive, which would have been standard in a fleet that size. The Imperial fleet died due to incompetence and nothing else.

I guess what I am asking is knowing about interdiction drives and gravity wells in relation to hyperspace can you think of a single example in the star wars movies of a large scale fleet battle that happened away from either of those things in the past.

If you want to continue talking about it, I can link discord and we can actually have a productive discussion instead of this where it feels like we are largely talking past each other

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Scariff, they're still in the athmosphere and are hyperspacing away.

>The Bacta War it takes about 200 proton torpedo hits to take out a SSD
200 proton torpedoes and Wedge Mother Fucking Antillies is 200 proton torpedoes too many.
If memory serves, they had a few tricks up their sleeve that negated a lot of the Lusankya's advantage had been removed by the time they were ready to take it on. They had removed the other star destroyers escorting it, and forced it to make the jump to hyperspace while it's fighter compliment was deployed. I want to say they even had a star destroyer or two join the fight against Isard, and Alderaanian missile cruisers.
None of it matters though because Fuck Yeah Wedge Antillies.

First of all. Wouldn't that make the battle of Scarif the inconsistent one???
Second of all, he says prepare for the jump to hyperspace in which you can see them accelerating from the planet. None of the ships go to hyperspace as far as I can tell because they are still getting shot by the Star Destroyer. There is also time for the Star Destroyer to launch a shuttle, for the shuttle to travel through normal space and for Darth Vader to basically kill a ship solo before they successfully get to hyperspace after this point.

That would be time that the rebels were using to get out of the gravity well.

Came here to post this.

that's why the Star Wars films are classified as Science Fiction.

But that means the entire movie is impossible. FTL, sound in space, space magic, aliens, none of it is real and thus the entire franchise is bad because it's not realistic. Stories work because you're able to over look a small detail like a characters insane luck (be it good or bad luck), coincidences, or the strange dialog (because natural language sounds nothing like what it does in fiction). For every person there is a different threshold on what level of bullshit is acceptable before a story becomes trite shit.

I agree Fuck Yeah Wedge Antilles. He had the Alderannian missile cruiser as well as recruiting one of Isard's own Imperial class star destroyer captains (Sair Yonka?) to turn on her by paying him with the money he made by stealing bacta from her in the first place.

The 200 figure was just as a way of illustrating how hard it is to take out one of these capitol ships by traditional means. (for gods sake they didnt even manage to destroy it after all that, just make it unable to fight).

In conclusion, Fuck Yeah Wedge Antilles

>Realistic
No, it's just not consistent. There's no logical, in universe reason for small space fighters to exist. There's no in universe reason for them not to space ram each other. You're a retard for thinking it ever was consistent before now

Also they pulled the same thing with (needing to follow orders without being aware of the plan) with Corran Horn in the Bacta War, and it was great then. Just a random thought.

We only think space ramming is the go to thing now because no one did it before. Probably because FTL was 'isolated space' like it is in many other FTL series. Retroactively it makes most combat moot, but before the change fighters were needed.

...the moncalamari cruiser was waiting for the information from the surface of the planet and had its drives and engines disabled that's why it couldn't hyperspace away, sure, the vid is short enough to not say this, didn't know you'll be going to be that picky.

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Better?

Go full gundam? They use plasma based weapons, it's a glorified railgun that throws out hot plasma, the only issues are just how quick will plasma loose heat (distance/speed) and cohesion in space (by spreading out and being less of a problem). It would do even worse in atmosphere.

No, not true. If the empire just outfitted their capital ships with more small guns then there's be no need for small fighters ever.

Are you a retard? Plasma/ionized gas is reactive to magnetic fields.

>Still has not proved the existence of wepons that use plasma
>Calls other retard while talking about weapons from movies

Plasma is a higher state of gasses being heated to an extreme. This is what blasters are

This is the problem with series like this, is that the rules change over time and most of the people making the rules are not aware of how those rules will change other things in the universe.

What we have here is the last two star wars movies are logically inconsistent with the way that hyperspace works.

I would say that Rogue One is the inconsistent movie with the setting in this regard (Although a large amount of the stuff having to do with hyperspace was established in the E Universe). I was certainly wrong there is one example of people hyperspacing in too close to a gravity well.

The Last Jedi just suspends disbelief to the point where I cannot ignore the glaring inaccuracies and contradictions in the movie. How does Leia get sucked into the vacuum of space in one scene but then five minutes later, Poe opens a door directly into space and not get sucked out?

Somehow everybody was okay with a laser beam nuking 4 planets at once being visible from a planet located several light years away from the targeted solar system. So I guess you A-hole is now wide enough to accept anything.

The bridge did have a decompression chamber. We just never saw it get turned on. Decent use of show don't tell. But from the timing, it looks like she flew over tapped the door and it opened (not giving the required time to work).

I complained about that shit last movie, I wrote the trilogy off then anyway.
>from across the galaxy (not the same solar system) shoot mega death star beam
>it is some how FTL capable (other wise you would have weeks - months warning as the beam flies at sub-light speeds towards the planets, someone with a heat scanner would see this shit coming).
>it then somehow splits into individual beams to hit 4 planets in the same solar system

There was more to complain about in TFA, not everyone looked on it as a mediocre ANH remake.