What single thing annoyed you about TLJ the most?

What single thing annoyed you about TLJ the most?

Mine is probably pic related, because it's shitty and insincere.

I would be willing to forgive the movie all it's faults, if not for the nephew-murdering Luke. Like what the fuck, was this really necessary?

The whiny fanboys screaming #NOTMYLUKE.

This, turning Luke into a psychopathic hobo was too much. The movie was shit through and through, but that was too much

I don't agree with this at all. The movie at the very least adequately establishes why he's doing what he's doing. It wasn't just some random arbitrary bullshit that totally changes the character. We've seen in the past his inclination towards reacting emotionally when he senses great evil

The casino planet. It looked so mundane.

This.

that entire subplot. it served no purpose and liek you said it all just looked like it was shot in monaco or something

The forced Marvel type humor, especially at the beginning "General Hux? Pasty white guy, First Order..."

It was the moment I knew it was trash.

Hyperspace ram. Literally universe breaking.

Oh god that yo mama joke. Fuck that.

I thought salt would come into the plot somehow

my parents dragged me to see this tonight, and after all the bullshit ive read on Sup Forums i was prepared to hate it

It was meh. I was entertained while i watched, but i wont be downloading it to my computer. And of course, everyone incmy family is pissed at eachother like always. Merry fucking christmas Sup Forums

The ftl ram was too much. There were a lot of wtf moments but that. Do people not proofread these scripts?

This is a terrible argument. I'd call you a shill, but really there's no point in engaging you further. Just had to get this out of my system.

"After credits" scene
And every shot with these children was really annoying.

i didnt even notice the force broom shit

this. he almost kills Palpatine in cold blood, but Vader stops him. he almost kills Vader when he's near-helpless and only stops when he realizes what's happening.

TLJ has a lot of flaws but a lot of people complaining about his characterization don't get Luke as well as they think

Hollywood is full of normies/average intelligence type of people who see something well made in their youth, and think they can replicate it and that it's so easy, and often times they're also very arrogant and vain and greedy, which results in the shit we get in the theatre.

Can’t let the gentiles have a hero after all

It was like something out of a fucking Marvel movie. I was thinking to myself, "What the fuck? This is Star Wars?!" I actually remained speechless for a bit after leaving the theatre, my mouth was wide open, and I was in utter shock of the disaster and raping of Luke Skywalker's character, much like Mark Hamill's reaction.

It's fucking insane some people like this, I really wonder if people are just getting dumber today, or it's the estrogen/chemicals in the food, water, I have no idea.

At some points I had to turn to my _____gf____ and whisper "what the fuck is going on in here" because I was so dumbfounded by some of the shit that was happening on screen, like force ghost puppet yoda, ftl ram, general hugs joke and luke's death.

What a piece of garbage this movie is.

The horse freeing scene, so retarded

did you have fun with the folks tho?

Probably the Leia scene. All the retarded critics talking about how bold the movie was, yet he couldnt kill off the one character that is fucking dead in real life when he had at least 3 chances to give her the send off. Now leaving it to 9 to either kill her off in the scroll, some random off screen incident, or cgi her so they can truly destroy Star Wars.

I did think it was a good death that would go into a Kylo struggling more inside story, but he decided to fucking go Superman Leia.

Rey lifting all those boulders.

Completely solidified her as a fucking bullshit Mary Sue, Luke barely trained her at all and she is doing shit like that. Remember Luke failed lifting the X-Wing in ESB after like a month intensive training with Yoda, then got his shit pushed in by Vader.

Oliver Twist kid ending Star Wars. Um. Wat?

the Casino planet for sure. It reminded me way too much of The Phantom Menace.

but space Italy in TPM was cool though

Next movie Daisy Ridley is going to go all Phoenix and try to destroy the universe. Kyle Ren will redeem himself by saving the entire universe from destruction. Screencap this my nigs

It's not pulling a Star Destroyer out of the sky tier, so I'm okay with it.

>he almost kills Palpatine in cold blood, but Vader stops him.
Palpatine isn't his relative, is literally killing hundreds of his allies in front of him, and is goading him to attack.

>he almost kills Vader when he's near-helpless and only stops when he realizes what's happening.
After Vader intentionally provokes him to anger, he quickly realizes as much when Vader is disarmed, and his goal (which is more relevant to Luke's characterization here) is to try to reach and convert his father, who he had never known, who killed Obi-Wan in front of him, who harmed his friends, and who both Obi-Wan and Yoda saw as unsaveable.

Then you have his nephew, son of his best friend and his sister, who has been entrusted to him for years, and who he is presumably attached to. He has a scary vision (which he knows are not definite and can be untruthful), and ignites his lightsaber to kill Ben in his sleep. That's fucking retarded and completely out of character.

Luke didn't want another Darth Vader. Nobody did anything to stop Darth Vader and look how much of the galaxy he fucked up. It's perfectly understandable for him to take it into consideration for a second.

In every single instance of him trying to kill someone, he was provoked. Palpatine taunted him with the deaths of his friends, saying that if Luke struck him down he could save them. Vader threatened to find Leia and turn her to the dark side, threatening his only other family in the world. Fuck, Luke even gave Jabba, a scumbag gangster, every chance to avoid violence. In no instance was Luke ever shown to act as an assassin and attack with absolutely no provocation from the other party.

What this says about him is that he's very protective of the people he cares about - you would think that this would extend to his nephew and student but no, apparently Ben was just another target to take out.

Maybe it's you who doesn't get the character as well you think.

>Luke didn't want another Darth Vader
Yes, he was terrified by the memory of his redeemed father. Rian Johnson's shitty explanation of the out of character moment sounds out of character itself.

I'm okay with that.
But since it's Disney, Kylo will redeem himself trying to save Rey, will fail and die and Rey because she's a strong woman who don't need no man will stop herself.

Finn and Ugly chink get thrown into a prison cell in their attempt to find the master codebreaker, they just so happen to fall in a cell with a master codebreaker

It's the absolute proof of the gigantic hacks those "screenwriters" are. Shameful.

>Mine is probably pic related, because it's shitty and insincere.

Mine's all the pissing and whining on Sup Forums. Partly for the same reason but also because you've made it impossible for me not to regard you as shitty, developmentally retarded manchildren anymore.

Why doesn't Jay have a beer?

Bugmen like it

My main gripe is the execution. They gave no explanation of what happened other than "he felt the dark side in Kylo Ren". No shit, he also felt the good side of his dad. They could have pulled this off, if they allotted some time to the most important moment of the movie. Let's see young Ben Solo fuck up some shit in the Jedi training, maybe resulting in deaths of other kids. Let's see him research the dark side of the force behind Lukes back. Let's see how Lukes doubts grow and how he can feel what's going on with Ben. Let's see him confront Ben about it and him completely shutting out Luke.

You could make Luke then try to end it this way, not out of rage or fear, but out of compassion and just making it quick, because he felt that it couldn't end any other way, but ultimately failing just not being able to kill a kid, even if it was to save lives in the long run.

People really lack imagination or fail to comprehend what Luke is saying.

He said he saw in Bens mind darkness far worse than he ever imagined or something to that effect.

And instead of you stupid fucks imagining evil deeds validating momentary desire to kill a relative of yours, you rather choose to go way - oh they broke Luke.

Why? Why should it be so hard for you?

Anyway, my hated part is the pink hair strong woman warrior leader.

Best parts were suprisingly intimate Rey/Kylo telepathic skype calls.
Which kinda surprised me, but they were really well done. Daisy acted perfectly.

the ironing gag

using an iron when there's a machine to press uniforms and the empire just doesn't have that technology

Because it's incredibly cheap and makes no sense. Darth Vader killed was completely evil with just a small spark of his human side left. He killed so many people and Jedi, but Luke had faith in him. On the other hand, Kylo Ren is still a conflicted kid in the movie we're seeing. If he was some insane avatar of the dark force with no doubt of his allegiance left, just killing people left and right with insane force powers, maybe it would be believable Luke acted this way, but not with the dude in the movie.

The first scene since it made it clear that it was going to be a farce.

i was pleasantly surprised at the way they shot those scenes too, instead of having some corny 'force vision' filter ir something like that

Because it's stupid and goes against the character

>Crazy Luke

But user, thats Jake!

what kind of cinema is this ?

What a dump.

DIDF in full effect, I see. How much does the Mouse pay you per post?

>Insincere

OP its right thats absolutely no salt. Everyone know why Leia choose this planet to install a big resistance base.

>all the foot soldiers are white men

hahaha

haaaaaaaaa

Yeah, I was trying to think of some sort of chemical reaction they might do with salt to beat the First Order... afterwards, I kind of thought it was just so the audience knew they weren't on Hoth.

>Darth vader killed millions and Luke put his life on the line to save him.
>Kylo is a child with the potential to be a sith and like tries to murder him.

No matter how you try to rationalize it, it'll never be acceptable.

How in the fucking fuck do you get darker than Vader or the Emperor? What the fuck else is Kylo gonna do that they didn't already?

shut the fuck up you SJW cocksucker

i can't believe planet cocainum is canon

Anytime Adam Driver wasn't on screen

I started this thread (which was a post explicitly talking shit about the movie) you fucking moron.

Yes, it goes against the character of Luke, the guy who tried to murder his father and who killed many other people AFTER being trained by Yoda.

Really?

>I don't like that there was salt on the Salt Planet. )))))):
>but a massive disconnect in a character's personality as established in previous movies is no problem!

t. brainlet

I hate it too, but I guess you could rationalize it with people changing as they get older

He didn't try to murder Kylo and it's very clearly established why he was overwhelmed with anger and fear. This is something we've seen before.

Calling it a disconnect without establishing how doesn't make it so.

Standing there thinking about murdering his nephew in his sleep in cold blood? Yeah, it's really against the character and we've been through this

Humor at inopportune moments, none of which was very funny. It could have been so much better if they'd have had the confidence to take their own movie seriously instead of having that Spaceballs nonsense.

>BEN NOOO!!!

At least they continued that tradition

What the fuck? Since when do theatres have dining tables?

White men talking about salt. Was it a jab at the fans who criticized the way nu-wars was going? Why is Rian Johnson such a soy boy? What made they believe pissing off their main audience was a good strategy?

Daisy > Adam

rewatch it, and appart from few outbursts that showed some emotions and acting, he was at the level of Hayden Christensen. Not entirely his fault, we saw him in episode 7 acting amazingly, but role there had space to do so...

Where exactly was his amazing acting here? Calling Rey to stop holding on? That was about it.

Do you dumb motherfuckers have fun pretending this is what actually happened, and not how Luke describes it 10 minutes later?

>very clearly established
Do you know what clearly means? Even if you're fine with how they played it, it was vague at best. The whole point of being a Jedi is not giving in to your fear and your rage, because you will be constantly in clash with the dark side. And giving in to his fear was the exact thing Luke did, the only Jedi in the fucking universe. It would've made more sense if Leia or Han tried to kill Ben than Luke.

No it isn't. He tried to murder his father at the mere mention that he would try turning Leia to the dark side.

Explain the fundamental difference here. His character historically fears and reacts harshly to perceived evil. This is an in character moment.

The Casino scene. All of it. It felt so out of place that, while watching it, I turned to my friend beside me and told him that this entire movie felt like a mess.

So I just came back from watching it and I need to vent a bit.

>Movie literally starts with a cringe-worthy terrible Guardians of the Galaxy comedy level scene with Poe and Domhnall Gleeson

>The whole casino bit, specially running away with the horse-like things. Even my gf said "Is this even Star Wars?

>See Luke's death and audibly yell "Fuck that shit"

And my favorite part

>Daisy Ridley gets fat in between scenes

Luke explicitly stated why he gave into his fear. Even if you think the exposition was clunky or forced it was CLEAR why he did what he did. Nothing remotely vague about it.

Saw it the other night and the Leia mary sue scene was so stupid. I enjoyed it overall though, it is what it is.

His father was a genocidal murderer who cut his hand the last time they fought and could stand for himself.

His sleeping nephew is just a cuck he wanted to murder in his sleep.

Tell your bosses they are going to need better shills to save this garbage fire

The explanation of this terrible darkness is not believable at all. The Kylo Ren we're seeing kills his master and wants to run away with Rey, when she comes along. There's no real thing shown in both movies that points to this incredible darkness in any way. It's a fucking meme.

entire thing was entry level tropes loosely held together by a star wars veneer

- the dialogue, three lines were repeated verbatim
- literal repeat of the apprentice-kills-master-but-maybe-intended motif
- holdo with the ultra predictable redemption
- crait
- fuel
- hyper ram
- jarring merch push with the hobbit-tier creatures
- canto bight: harry potteresque casino royale
- just a weak story arch in general, but the just-out-of-range trope was very bad and an artificial plot device
- why didnt a destroyer just FTL in front of the cruiser?
- hugs
- luke
- rey
- finn STILL being used to perpetuate the black man stereotype, shouting dumb ass one liners. have some self respect, boyega.

it only barely even felt like star wars. this rendition made it painfully obvious that it's a children's action movie franchise milking machine that will only get worse. Star Wars is dead.

Why do I not think of this (and the others) as Star Wars movies?

In a word: Nihilism.

These new movies don't believe in anything.

Gone are the mythic archetypes that allowed these characters, for good or bad, to change and transform; the Republic is gone; the Jedi are gone; the Rebellion/Resistance has been reduced to a Sunday afternoon book club.

What is left for these characters (or us the audience) to believe in?

When "A New Hope" started Luke Skywalker on his journey it awoke in him a fundamental necessity in our human story: The courage to leave behind the comforts of home and embrace a broader understanding of the both the world outside and the spiritual dimension inside each of us.

It provided him a template to transcend himself, and the young man who started a farmer ended up becoming a warrior. A Hero. A Jedi. But what makes Star Wars so enduring is that same path is available to each of us; we too must have the fortitude to endure the journey that will test our ego and illusions and (hopefully) have us come out the other side stronger and wiser. Star Wars taps into a long tradition of stories that are essentially a guide to help us become more than who we are.

But these new films don't possess this. They've eschewed any transcendent quality (and indeed any hierarchy, as our princess is now a general) and replaced it shoddy drama. That's why, now at the end of our second movie, characters like Rey, Finn, Poe, And Kylo are really no different from when we were introduced to them two years ago.

As visually and technically breath-taking as these movies seem on the surface, they are spiritually dead.

But Luke saw what the dark side was capable of. He sensed what Ben could become if he embraced the dark thoughts rolling around in his head. And, because Luke is a flawed human being, he caved into his fear and created a new evil by mistake.

It's like people are complaining that Luke isn't enough of a Marty Stu.

>Tell your bosses they are going to need better shills to save this garbage fire
>Implying this trainwreck of a movie is somewhat salvable

lmao user!

>There's no real thing shown in both movies that points to this incredible darkness in any way. It's a fucking meme.
Yeah, this is a good point you're making. Luke has this portentous speech about the evil lurking, but when we see Rey's interpretation of it, it isn't dark or twisted. It's just relatively sad and tragic.

I'll say this: Luke confronting his inner daemons in ESB was much better done because he commits an evil action and sees himself reflected in Vader. We don't get that with Rey in TLJ.

Oh so instead of training him to reject the dark side like he was doing, he went to his room and activated his lightsaber, and THEN when his nephew actually turns to the dark side because of him he does fuck all

Like I said, you guys need much better shills than this

I figured it was Luke trying to do the opposite of what the old Jedi generation did.
Their stupidity and inaction led to Anakin's descent into darkness, so Luke in contrast considering nipping the problem in the bud before the galaxy sees another Super Hitler.

>>Daisy Ridley gets fat in between scenes
I can't say I noticed this, giving all the shit that was going down in the movie, do you have an example?

I was pretty baffled by the first sequence and Leia Superman, but I was still thinking "wait to see where they're going, it has to be something good".

Then the Luke deconstruction and the milking scene happened. That's when I knew it was pure shit.

>well written characters must NEVER have personal flaws!
Okay.

Same. He fucked up and turned a frightened, confused child into a monster. That's interesting and actually says something about the emotional aspect of the Force.

>it was shit on purpose!
Every.
Time.

I would even let this one slide, but Luke deciding AFTER this that he will just go full NEET instead of lifting his X-wing and hunting down snookie to fix his mistake is unsalvageable.

Here's the thing. If the tone of the movie was serious and not constantly fucked with, maybe I would've bought it. If both movies worked together instead of being a huge convolute of different ideas, maybe I would've thought there's a point to it and we might see what this is supposed to be about in the third movie. Luke's scene falls with the rest of the movie.

It's fairly clear they have no fucking idea what they are doing at this point, and you can't pull this kind of thing off, if you don't have a good plan for the whole trilogy. Everything's a fucking mess because the amount of shit that's in the TLJ is just too much, and they failed at telling a simple but compelling story, which is was Star Wars always about. Luke failing Ben could've been a great moment in Star Wars history, but they just failed to convey it properly.

Yeah, her fat fucking face in all the close ups

when she hugs Finn

>Poe ignoring Hux in GOTG-comedy opening scene
>Bombs fall down in no gravity
>Luke throws away lightsaber
>Luke doesn’t really care about Han’s death
>Chewbacca pointlessly waiting in the Millenium Falcon for… weeks?
>Porgs
>four-tit beast milk
>Leia flying in space>Rose
>Purple hair bitch
>Purple hair bitch’s plan
>the entire fuel thing
>Hux being used as a comedy prop>Snoke’s comedic death
>Snoke being CGI
>Snoke being CGI and pointless
>Luke thought about killing his nephew
>The whole casino bit
>The shitty stable kids
>The whole horse racing thing
>Justin Theroux’s pointless cameo
>The entire Finn and Rose pointless side plot
>Rey gets fat mid-movie
>Rey doesn’t really train with Luke
>Rey can still fight despite not training
>ramming the fleet with the cruiser's hyperdrive
>Rose says to Finn that they have to save the ones they love, forgetting the thousands that sacrificed for them
>Escaping to an abandoned base to then escape again through a backdoor and hoping nobody notices
>Rey's only purpose in the climax is to lift some rocks
>Luke doesn’t do anything
>Luke’s hologram
>Luke dies

Fuck this movie

I’ll keep adding them

>weeks

The Rey plot is concurrent with the ships running out of fuel. She was with Luke for like 18 hours.

combine these
and add:
>arcing lasers in space
>everyone is Force
>1 poe vs a fat juggernaughf
>bb8 smashing head
>floating slot machines