>"Lucas is a shit director, he needs to be relegated to the script with people fixing it and with a good director, like Empire Strikes Back"
>A New Hope was nominated for Best Picture, Best Director and Best Script >ESB wasn't nominated for any of that
Parker Howard
And yet in the lists of greatest filsm of all time, ESB regularly breaks the top 10 while ANH wallows in the middle somewhere.
William Butler
>everyone praises ESB director >director hasn't directed any other good movies at all and made a bunch of shit movies Really makes you think.
Hunter Harris
He isn't even a good writer user, he just steals from others.
Henry James
>50% of the star wars saga now has a higher average audience score >all written and directed by lucas really makes you think
Brandon Green
I like Star Wars as much as anyone but if someone has ESB in their top 10 of ALL TIME they are pleb as fuck
Grayson Cruz
ESB was mostly written by Lucas.
Isaac Johnson
Yeah, Kirshner was a good pick to direct though because Lucas dialogue always sounds kind of corny and his interpersonal relationships fall flat.
It's almost as if he has fucking autism and is literally ourguy.
Thomas Sanders
When will you apologize to Lucas?
Thomas Cook
Really user, who did he still from his Star Wars and Indian Jones stories? and who is a good writer to you, JJ Abrams, Rian Johnson?
Jeremiah Powell
Empire Strikes Back is a better Star Wars film A new hope is a better movie So basically it depends what you're in the mood for. If you like cinema you go with New Hope If you're a Star Wars fan you go with ESB
Justin Collins
I like taraninto , Wes Anderson and Talki Walki
Colton Gonzalez
The dialogue was actually fine, it's just the actors who didn't realize they were in an epic space opera that would stand the test of time and never get old. Now you have dialogue lines that are like this "come on", "come and get it", "you got a boyfriend", "your mama", "who talks first" "that's not how the force works" and other cheesy colloquial that belongs to capeshit. Strangely I didn't hear any of the cast complain about the shit dialogue. That's the power of the mouse to you.
Noah Howard
You have absolutely shit taste, no wonder you can't appreciate Lucas. You like cynical filthy movie from Tarantino and capeshit like Thor.
Nathan Brooks
chewie we're home
Justin Jenkins
What if this was all a ploy to sell the Franchise High and buy it Back from Disney Low? What if Lucas is playing 5D Go??
Jaxon Adams
>sell the franchise high it was basically given away, four billions for the most popular movie franchise in the history of mankind is chump change plus he gave all the money away to charity he felt the fans deserved to have star wars and he let it go, the new movies were basically written around the most common complaints about the prequel trilogy
Joseph Perry
if he sold it 10 years ago. also, friendly reminder that he basically gave pixar away to disney
Colton Kelly
Kershner's made some solid movies but TESB and Robocop II are the only ones anyone on this board has seen.
That said though, V and VI were practically ghost directed by Lucas, VI in particular. TESB really doesn't share much in common with Kershner's other films tonally or visually. It's a Lucas picture through and through.
Adrian Morgan
Have you seen the ANH's original edit? It's a complete mess, Lucas is entirely dependent on other people making his silly ideas actually good
Jason Butler
>Have you seen the ANH's original edit? have you? I'm curious, where can one see it?
Ryan Wilson
He fired the original editor and brought in new ones. So point to Lucas
Jackson Perry
Star Wars: Deleted Magic shows what it originally was
Carson Moore
You're a fucking idiot
Jack Price
No u
Jack Roberts
The original edit in its entirety doesnt exist anymore but a bunch of little snippets and people talking about what a shitshow it was, do you really need mpre you fucking faggot
Nathaniel Hernandez
>do you really need more than hearsay yeah
Brody Moore
thats not an original cut. why do you claim to have seen it when it's clearly a lie?
Gabriel Campbell
>but muh Academy Awards Stop appealing to authority. Lucas winning arbitrary awards from a nepotistic ceremony doesnt' say anything about his skills
Luis Wright
lmao @ your life
Julian Roberts
Yeah George didn't like it either, again that's George being a good director
Jaxon Hill
>It's a Lucas picture through and through. You clearly have no idea how TESB was filmed, user. Lucas was in fucking California doing the Special Effects stuff while Kirshner was in England filming. Lucas was only on set during the last few weeks or so to make sure that the Dagobah scenes were finished because Kirshner went over budget and was taking a long time, BUT the reason for that was because Stanley Kubrick, while filming another movie (the shining, I think) burned down a stage that Kirshner was supposed to be using and Lucas refused to alter the filming schedule or redo the budget to reflect the fact that Kirshner was going to be making major changes due to being down an entire stage. And as a side note, Lucas thought that Kirshners cut of the film was "too slow" and tried to re-edit it to be faster and when he finally showed it to people, they thought it was fucking garbage. So no, TESB was not a Lucas picture. It was a Kirshner picture.
Xavier Wood
What we need to take away from Star Wars is that George Lucas, for better or worse, operates best when he is struggling. Lucas barely finished Star Wars, but it turned out fucking great. Now, fast-forward about two-decades, and you see him filming scenes while he's relaxed and drinking coffee. No one in here is going to say that any of the prequels were as good as A New Hope. They might be more exciting or have a more intricate story, but as far as being actual films, they are just not as well put together as the first Star Wars.
Matthew Williams
He is like Tim Burton. Creates great worlds but shouldn't direct his ideas.
Luke Myers
The academy is shut, but this can be hardly be due to nepotism when Lucas was a literally who back then. Occasionally, the academy awards go to films that deserve it.
Isaiah Ross
ANH also had a relatively blank canvas, he built his fantasy-space story and that was that, there was no time or effort put into REALLY fleshing things out - there was an Empire, in the first film the Emperor himself isn't even touched on other than briefly mentioned having dissolved a senate.
Everything is pretty flat, it looks fantastic and serves the purpose phenomenally, but it's the narrative equivalent of a special effect - there's nothing behind it.
The second he started to try to explain WHAT was behind it we got prequels of garbage that was less interesting than the namedrops and paper figures that left you guessing. The senate was a boring group of alien idiots. The clone wars wasn't a war against clones, it was a war using clones against merchants robot army. The Jedi weren't hermits or wandering knights, they were apparently living in temples on the galactic center and seemingly obeying politicians. Vader, holy shit what a dreadful backstory.
I honestly liked a decent amount of the EU, but anything George tried to flesh out turned out to be a huge letdown, though to be fair to him, it's probably because he didn't let other people touch the important stuff and left the hard jobs for himself.
Lucas was great at creating an undetailed but seemingly expansive universe. I don't buy into RLMs bullshit notion that it can't be expanded and have other stories play out in the setting, but I don't think any of the ones Lucas or Disney have attempted as films have been even remotely good bar the original 3 - books have done some nice stuff though.
Samuel Jones
>The second he started to try to explain WHAT was behind it we got prequels of garbage that was less interesting than the namedrops and paper figures that left you guessing. I would argue that not everything in the PT was uninteresting. The entire idea of Palpatine playing two sides of the same war in order to amass power was brilliant as was him financing a clone army to eventually use to destroy the Jedi. The way it was executed may have been horrible, but the ideas themselves were great. >The senate was a boring group of alien idiots. YEP >The clone wars wasn't a war against clones, it was a war using clones against merchants robot army. I don't mind that aspect, but each his own. >The Jedi weren't hermits or wandering knights, they were apparently living in temples on the galactic center and seemingly obeying politicians. I always felt like the Jedi should have been flawed, but still tried to fight the good fight. Lucas just made them idiots. >Vader, holy shit what a dreadful backstory. You mean you don't like the idea of Vader being convinced that killing kids would save his wife from death? And then afterward, even though his wife was the only reason he went to the dark side, after she dies he just keeps being evil 'cause reasons?
Ian Rogers
>Star Wars: Deleted Magic do people even KNOW this was made by the motherfucking Garrett Gilchrist, THE Garrett Gilchrist?
Grayson Wood
>revisionism nope also you spelled Kershner wrong like 8 times
Leo Mitchell
>greatest films of all time >any star wars flick sounds like a shitty list. I mean Lucas was very upfront about the fact that he was making B movies for kids.
Charles Diaz
Everything I posted is from The Making of book which has actual quotes from that time period. Sorry I misspelled his name, may he rest in peace.
Sebastian Foster
Are you implying that Star Wars isn't extremely culturally significant? Also, most things that we consider great today were considered schlock in their time.
Michael Cooper
What was George thinking?
Luis Brooks
Wanted to make a series of films for kids while also including space politics and a scene where a man gets burned alive.
Brody Wood
You do realize editing is a stage in production that can make or break literally any movie, right? It's part of the proccess and it sure as hell isn't unique to Star Wars.
Easton Martinez
all movies are edited you fucking retard. Then again I should expect a SWfag to understand the film making process
Isaiah Jackson
>Lucas is fucking garbage ANH had to be edited to be good What the fuck