Wait...do you autists actually dislike this film? I thought that was just purposeful contrarianism

Wait...do you autists actually dislike this film? I thought that was just purposeful contrarianism.

It was kino, no wonder the plebs hate it. They're just too dumb for it.

I haven't actually seen it...

Seems accurate.

Autists hate it, normies and star wars normies are split on it

You must love Rick and Morty too. Thank kek for your 356 IQ

its godawful first time ive actually been embarrassed to call myself a star wars fan.
dont listen to him save yourself 20 bucks.
Pirate it if you must but don't give the mouse a dime for this trash.

It was fucking garbage you god damn shill

The enlightened Sup Forums users all know it’s pure kino. Only the pleebs disagree

Jesus Christ your opinions are just utter garbage.

No it's irrefutable shit and only the most hard-line contrarians are praising it

>contrarianism
It's not contrarianism when everybody hates the movie. It was just an awful flick

says the shill. Tell you what i'll even give you a chance name one thing good in this movie.
>you can't

>Uniqueness within the series
>Successful and effective transference of the mantle or responsibility/heroism from the previous generation to the new one
>[Spoiler]Sheds god awful retread characters like Snoke and sets Ren up as a far more compelling primary villain[/spoiler]
>Dramatically expands upon Po’s character and presence in the series in effective ways

Not without its flaws obviously. The whole Finn/Rose side adventure was utterly unnecessary and space flying super Leia was ridiculous, but the film accomplished a remarkable amount of things that absolutely needed to happen after the uninspired rehash that was Force Awakens.

>Uniqueness within the series
>Successful and effective transference of the mantle or responsibility/heroism from the previous generation to the new one

You mean like how obi-wan passed on the responsibility to Luke? How is that unique?
>expanding character development for two characters
Be honest if this was your selling point who the would want to watch the movie.

>I thought that was just purposeful contrarianism.
Some of it is. As far as I've noticed, a lot of the hate has also been coming from people who didn't understand the film, either because the usual (for Star Wars) structure threw them off and they missed things, or because they wanted to hate the movie. I've pretty much stopped defending the movie here, because every time I explain something, it never gets answered with actual discussion, just "fuck off shill, that doesn't matter, it's still not what i wanted reeeeee not my star wars."

It's a good movie, and seeing the criticisms has made me realize how little people actually pay attention to the movies they watch. Johnson's main mistakes seem to have been overestimating his audience, and not realizing how much nostalgia fucks with peoples' heads.

>You mean like how obi-wan passed on the responsibility to Luke? How is that unique?

Those were unrelated points. It’s unique within the series for its structure. Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of New Hope. TLJ actually did different things instead of retreading familiar ground.

And no, not like Obi-Wan. Obi-Wan wasn’t an established character when we met him in New Hope. He was a character we knew for all of an hour before he died. Luke, Leia, and Han are legendary characters, both in our world and in theirs. Half the reason many people were excited about these new movies is that the original cast was finally reprising their roles. And within that context, this film did a wonderful job of passing the weight of the series, both inside and outside of the in-universe story itself, to this new generation of young heroes, which is not an easy task to accomplish with characters as beloved as the original Star Wars cast.

But by giving Po the much larger role and deeper characterization that Finn and Rey got in the first film, it successfully completed the trio of young heroes as fully realized characters and set the three of them up to fully make the story their own going forward.

It was very well done in that regard.

The only people who like this film are brain dead leftists who look to the entertainment industry to solidify their own world view

Po,Finn, and Rey definitely needed deeper characterization but this film did not deliver. Every character in this film is a failure.

I saw it and it is without a doubt the greatest Star Wars movie to date.

This post almost couldn’t be more wrong if it tried. Come on, I’m sure you can offer up an even shittier post if you really set your mind to it.

>purposeful contrarianism
>the most average movie viewers hate it

?

?? It's a failure as a star wars movie and as a movie.

Contrarianism? But normies hate it too!

>It's a good movie
>main plot goes nowhere, Rey train for a while and Snoke and Luke are dead, but everything else is just the same. Snoke and Luke didn't matter at all so it's basically as if this movie didn't happen
>subplots are comically bad, just filler
>waste 40 minutes on a nonsensical space chase and then it ends with a deux ex machina asspull that ruins all previous and future space battles in the franchise
>inconsistent with the previous movie
>no character is established or developed
>no sides of the conflict are established or developed, we literally don't know who these cucks are or why are they fighting
>rey is still one of the worst written characters ever and I'm not being hyperbolic, textbook mary sue who has no reason at all to be in this conflict (nor anyone else because the conflict makes no sense) and to be so central in the context of the bigger story. As TLJ ends she has gone from an orphan in a desert planet to the best Jedi in the Galaxy, victorious against the new emperor and his guard, within a week
>the humor was atrocious, the scene with the prank call is going to be remembered as the nadir of this new trilogy unless Disney manages to make Ep9 even worse
>toys
>Luke Skywalker is now a potential child murderer who did nothing while the galaxy was destroyed because of his mental illness and then he dies for literally no reason
>superleia, I think we have this one covered with the memes
I could go on, this movie wasn't significantly better than the prequels in any way other than the CGI budget

It was honestly fine. Still better than any of the prequels. The hate is just a bunch of salty fags who are mad because the plot/characters didn’t go the direction they expected

But that’s false. Anecdotal evidence of course, but every normie moviegoer I’ve spoken to at the least enjoyed it.

I don't think it's fair to say people who didn't enjoy the movie 'didn't get it'. Sure It had some good elements to it, a lot of people where put off by the awful pacing and how the film seemed at times to be confused by its own message.

This
the box office doesn't reflect their enjoyment

Being a new generation doesn't mean need to make old fans feel insult、despite and disrespect the legendary characters
I feel sorry when I saw Luke and Mark after TLJ released

Also, the hyperspace assault just destroy every efforts of the previous character, why need a new hope? why need rogue one?

The movie itself is the cinematic embodiment of contrarianism, to call out the audience for contrarianism in defense of this spectacle of subversive retardation is disgustingly hypocritical. This movie is the equivalent of the kid who thinks he'll be cool just for doing the opposite of his peers who they dismiss as "conformist".

I think it is when so many complaints about the movie are focused on things that either fit with the movie's themes, or are blatantly explained by characters or the development of the plot. Or when after having a complaint explained to them, the only response a critic has are non-arguments.

I usually hate it when people defend a movie by saying haters didn't get it, too, but that really seems like the case with this movie. It's either that, or there are two different cuts of the movie out there, and the one people like saw cut out all the shit I noticed that made the plot and characterization work incredibly well. Like I said, this movie is structured very differently than any other in the franchise, I think that really threw people off because they weren't paying the right kind of attention.

>first order has ANOTHER giant super ship
>it gets blown up in an asspull writers move in the same movie it shows up in
>even the legends canon had this thing happen with a super star destroyer and all it did was make the shields flicker for a second or two
>the first order will have a 4th EVEN BIGGERER (not)death star in the next movie

>I usually hate it when people defend a movie by saying haters didn't get it, too, but that really seems like the case with this movie.
Sure maybe it's because millions of people like myself have low IQ and only true patricians versed in the intricacies of Rick and Morty can appreciate this 150 minute long Porg commercial.

Or maybe all I said here is true and the movie is actually shit. We will never know I guess

I think the film really could of benifited from some tighter editing in that case then. I actually enjoyed that the story structure was different, but for me atleast, everytime I felt myself finally enjoying the story, I was brought back to reality by some cringy one liners, or scenes that really seened to disrupt the natural flow of the story

> You thought Snoke to be the second coming of Palpatine?
> He dies him like a bumbass!
> You thought Luke would train Rey?
> She learn llightsaber fighting by waving her weapon over a rock for 30 seconds!

> You thought no one would care about Finn landing his ship anywhere he damn well pleased?
> He gets arrested!
> You thought the rebel's daring plan would succeed?
> It fails!
> You thought Luke would lift his x-wing out of the water and have an heroic last stand?
> He dies without ever leaving his planet!

This was contrarianism: the movie.

And it worked well precisely because of it. It subverted expectations people had based upon their nostalgia for the original series.

I feel the same way I do about it as I did Batman V Superman. Lots of interesting ideas, very poor execution, mixed with some very stupid idea with very bizarre execution.

>expect a watchable flick
>get a cringe piece of shit
Oh boy looks like I got SUBVERTED myself!

How do you make a movie worse than episode II?

OR you just have shit taste.

OR the movie was shit but I'm not paid to shill it. Who knows right

lol claiming shit taste when your the one thinking you watched a 'good' movie.

What is it like having a brain of mush that can enjoy worthless flicks, kid?

movie was shit. Shills cant name one thing good in this movie besides its unique. Every shit i take is unique too but it doesn't make em masterpieces

how is so much worse than every other Star Wars?
I also thought the whole entire women commander thing was a bit cringey, but the island scenes with Rey made up for it.

are there really shills here ? what the fuck
I can't believe posts like are from real people

>are there really shills here ?
Everything is true, Disney has shills here and they buy reviews. Good thing is that normies are in the know about the latter

It is. Don't break the kayfabe

>how is so much worse than every other Star Wars?
Shh... don't let the manbabies know that this was always a series of high budget B-movies for children. They'll start calling you a shill and talking about their ruined childhood.

Being "clever" by subverting the viewer's expectation doesn't make a good movie. You need a good story, good characters and good/memorable scenes for that.

Maybe being meta was enough for you, but I expected a good movie, not 2h30 of a director telling me how clever and against-the-grain he is.

it creates plotholes in the older movies. Why build death stars when you can hyperspace jihad your way to victory.
Luke's Character assassination from someone who doesn't give up to some one waiting to die and who refuses to help his sister in her time of need.
Plot points that went nowhere. Finn and Rose need to get a codebreaker they fail and pick a random schmuck nearly wipe out resistance. They did all this because admiral holdo/purple hair refused to explain her plans.

but its unique user. Look how different and special it is compared to everything else.

Anyone with an IQ above 11 understands this movie so it always puts a smile on my face to see these low effort trolls/fanboys going "you just didn't get it man" it reminds me of old times where after a while we posted a troll face

This

It’s like some of you guys remember the old Star Wars as oscar worthy films. The main achievement of Star Wars was the creation of a relatable universe, expanded upon in games, books, etc. the movies themselves were setups thereof, not cinematic masterpieces.

>It’s unique within the series for its structure.
how is that a good point? I mean if you're not going to make a Star Wars movie, don't call it Star Wars.
Being different isn't always a quality - especially in a decades-old saga
>Force Awakens was practically a shot for shot remake of New Hope.
True, that's part of the reason TFA is shit too
>TLJ actually did different things instead of retreading familiar ground.
then why can you clearly say 'this bit is from ESB, this is from RotJ' for almost every bit of the movie?
>Luke, Leia, and Han are legendary characters, both in our world and in theirs. Half the reason many people were excited about these new movies is that the original cast was finally reprising their roles.
True - which is why fans are pissed off when their characters are shat on
>And within that context, this film did a wonderful job of passing the weight of the series, both inside and outside of the in-universe story itself, to this new generation of young heroes, which is not an easy task to accomplish with characters as beloved as the original Star Wars cast.
It did the SHITTIEST JOB at it, for fuck's sake a lot of fans are mad because they couldn't make their characters interesting without shitting on the OT cast's legacy AND EVEN THEN they didn't manage to make their new characters more interesting since they don't evolve one bit in the movie
>But by giving Po the much larger role and deeper characterization that Finn and Rey got in the first film
LOL wat
>it successfully completed the trio of young heroes as fully realized characters and set the three of them up to fully make the story their own going forward.
What did Poe learn? That following blindly the orders is sometimes beneficial? Can't you see how retarded this message is when they're supposed to fight for freedom VS tyranny? Not to mention the character that's supposed to teach him that is so obnoxious and retarded you just can't accept, as a viewer, that she can be right.

You say that knowing ANH won 6 Oscars, ESB won 1 and ROTJ was nominated for 4? Right? Right?

Except it's the "too smart for you" Rick and Morty style faggots that hate the movie.

I thought it was the alt-right, hard to keep up with your shill narratives if you're changing them all the time you know

1) Disney is evil because muh capitalism
2) For some reason, people liked how much TFA copied ANH and this one didn't copy ESB enough
3) Women and non-whites had too much screen time
4) Rey is a Mary Sue despite being brash, reckless, and impatient in this one along with getting herself captured by the bad guys in both movies
5) Apparently humor in Star Wars is only allowed when Han Solo and C-3PO are constantly quipping
6) Luke apparently never made a mistake of had character flaws in the OT so he shouldn't have them here
7) Innovations in tactical warfare is completely ludicrous
8) Cute merchandising characters are awful unless they directly impact the plot (Ewoks and Jar Jar)
9) My Snoke theory about Palpatine's clone or the illegitimate child of Plagueis didn't come true
10) Leia's ability to use the force and being the direct offspring of Vader should have died out when she hit menopause
11) A lady with purple hair called out my no-homo crush for being a complete idiot and threat to the remaining rebels

Plebs gonna pleb, in other words. TLJ was the best SW since ESB and gave Luke a much more meaningful ending than RotJ.

For things technical things like special effects, sound design, and music. They've never really been great movies in terms of overall quality, and even the OT is riddled with all kinds of weird plot and pacing issues.

its like you're just throwing buzzwords to see what sticks but all you've managed to do is make me hate TLJ even more

It's almost like there's no singular person you're talking to on an anonymous message board or something, huh you fucking genius ass Rick and Morty loving cocksucker?

This is the most blatant shill fest if I've ever seen one.

Not sure if serious and immense butthurt or shill and immense butthurt.

>meaningful ending
What can be more meaningful than dying because you're spent too much chakra in your shadow clone jutsu.

>plebs
you mean actual adults, not-manchilds

Obviously sitting around the fire singing kumbaya with some ewoks.

Go ahead and tell me what you didn't like about the movie that doesn't have to do with any of the points I listed.

>seeing the criticisms has made me realize how little people actually pay attention to the movies they watch

I learnt this after the Rogue One shitstorm.
So many comments from people in the middle of watching it, more interested in posting on Sup Forums than paying attention to the movie.
Also, when the HD torrents came out, I couldn't believe all the comments about how the cgi didn't look as bad as they thought. Meaning this board is half full of people that will watch CAM's of special effect heavy movies and then complain how bad it looks.

No use arguing with these people.

Only thing i didnt like was the idea of luke being so scared of kylo's potential that he would try to murder his nephew in his sleep. That and Super Leia. Everything else was pretty good, even with the casino stuff being meaningless i guess it gave finn some character development to where he cares about the resistance

>7) Innovations in tactical warfare is completely ludicrous
Yeah , I mean hyperspace is only thousand of years old and Hux knew what she was doing the second she turned the ship around, but clearly Holdo did something entirely new and never thought before there.

This. Fuck TFA, this one is much better.

Then why don't they do it more often? With unmanned ships or load them up with so much shit to create a light speed shotgun?

>it turns out Holdo ended up creating a crack in hyperspace setting up the Yuuzhon Vong in the next trilogy
I'd actually be okay with this, the resistance creating the galaxy's worst threat.

Answered by I don’t think the people criticizing the movie have anything against special effects/visuals/score in TLJ. But you’re right, I should have been more specific with what I meant.