Daily reminder that you don't have to agree with tumblr, reddit, and Sup Forums. You are allowed to like The Last Jedi...

Daily reminder that you don't have to agree with tumblr, reddit, and Sup Forums. You are allowed to like The Last Jedi. It is a vast improvement over The Force Awakens and is much more true to the OT than the prequels. Being on "the right side" of the Rotten Tomatoes audience score is a temporary and ultimately meaningless high for certain ironic/cynical people. You don't have to post here, I just wanted to let you know you're not alone.

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it was fantastic and probably the best thing we'll get out of nu-wars. we're about to go back in to faggot origin stories and JJ abrams muh feels star wars.
the only bad part was the casino planet.

but reddit loves the movie you fuck, it's tailor made for pseud soylads

also stop spamming this shit thread I've seen it seven times already

The casino part was the worst part of the movie, but it did accentuate the theme of failure and gave Finn something to do.

Also, I think I enjoyed it more than most since it definitely had some TPM vibes (slavery, a big race, and that the hidden villains played both sides like Palpatine) that I was surprised Disney even acknowledged existed.

You're allowed to like it, and I'm allowed to call you a fucking idiot for doing so.

>the theme of failure
Holy fucking kek this is a damage control tactic I've never seen before.

As long as you understand it goes both ways user, I'll happily take name-calling over blind studio anti-allegiance.

Do you go to the bathroom during the Yoda scene? Or the fact that the resistance is down to 40 members and had to retreat?

>between the hate and J.J. back as director episode ix will go back to being an inoffensive thrill ride with a barely held together plot written by fifty people
Feels pretty bad

>blind studio anti-allegiance
But blind studio allegiance is perfectly fine, as it's the only way to appreciate TLJ.

tlj is pleb filter

Oh I noticed that everyone and everything failed, cast, crew, and characters alike, but I'm not gonna delude myself into calling it thematic.

As opposed to the inoffensive thrill ride with a stillborn plot written by one person that was TLJ.

The Force Awakens was a goddamn trainwreck. The Last Jedi was great. J.J Abrams is one of the most boring directors alive. Rian isn't much better but the movie, at its heart, continues and advances themes of the OT.

I have no special love of Disney, but I do love TLJ.

>damage control tactic
"Failure, the greatest teacher is," was a direct quote from the Yoda scene. The entire casino subplot involves a group of people almost wiping out the entire resistance because they were idiot and tried to bet everything on a plan that ultimately failed, and they learned from it.

I thought it was one of the most obvious things in the movie; did you just not pick up on it because the lesson was referenced during another subplot?

Would you like to discuss opposing points on the quality of TLJ or are you just popping in for (you)s?

Does this mean Holdo was the villain all along and that Poe was right? Kathleen must be seething.

I would if TLJ had any quality.

OP here, since it's Christmas I'd also like to say that it's okay to agree with half the population that TLJ was a bad movie. It's your opinion and you're entitled to it. I'd just ask that you keep an opposing mind to alternate opinions, and maybe pirate the movie when it's available and give it another try once the social media hive-mind has died down a bit.

Can't both have been wrong?

Go away, this is where i go to complain about Disney© movies that i watch everytime they come out even though Disney© tells me to fuck off and get a fucking life loser baby boy
That's what i do, what do you do? And your other one

Kek at this damage control
>Be your own person and trust me, conforming to my opinions is the only way to be an individual.

Seems to me like it was pretty offensive to a lot of people, and for more than just the fact that there's a girl in it.

No. If one was wrong, then the other was right.

The trick is don't pay Disney.
I have yet to pay Disney a dime of my money.

They were both wrong. Holdo go on a power trip and treat Poe like shit to teach him a lesson; Poe was wrong for automatically assuming the worst about her and staging a mutiny without knowing the whole plan. They both almost got everyone killed because they were too wrapped up in their own egos to listen and make the smart choice.

Well allow me to suggest that Poe was wrong in that his actions caused the lack of options they were later left with, and Holdo was only right in that the resistance was presented an unwinnable position, and her actions were the least "bad" out of anything else.

>almost got everyone killed
He fucked up a dreadnought that would've cost them much more than a handful of useless bombers.

But if he hadn't engaged the Dreadnought they could have escaped without the tracking beacon being set up.

are you fucking stupid?

these are top posts of reddit right now

it's not but damage control

I did enjoy it a bit more than TFA

And if Holdo had made a more informative speech before the attack he wouldn't have.

I know Mark didn't like Luke's characterization, but as an OT fan in his 30s, I couldn't have wished for a better exit for him.

Luke tried so hard to do the right thing, but one moment of weakness broke him. The pressure of saving the galaxy twice (many more times if you consider the EU) meant that the minute he faltered over Ben, he let the entire universe down. Everything he had worked for in the OT was all for naught - his sister's son was lost to the dark side, and he knew he would prove a worse threat than Vader and Palpatine combined. So he left. Partly because he was human and ashamed, partly because he knew another mistake would rob the galaxy of something greater than one man: the enduring myth of the heroic Jedi. They needed something to believe in more than they needed him. His failure (at least in his human, and fallible mind) was too great a risk if he should make another mistake. Half of him left to save himself, half of him left to save the galaxy a third time by keeping that small spark of hope alive. Better to die a hero than kill a myth.

And yet he returned. He risked the legend of Luke in one last attempt to kindle that spark. He put it all on the line one last time in the hope he would not fail. He remembered Yoda's words, and realized there is no "try" when it comes to being a hero. He lit a fire under those who still believed in him, and he did it on his own terms: without risking a chance to fall to anger and hurt or kill Ben. Not only that, he stayed true to his own word to die on the island the Jedi were born. And so, by staying true to himself, and out of love for any humanity left in Ben, his final strategy went into action. We still have one more movie to see if his actions ultimately save Ben (I have a feeling they will), but more importantly, the galaxy saw not what Jedi were capable of, but what hope could do. He was born a man, but died a legend. The truth is different from myth, but myth endures - sometimes in spite of truth.

Hence, both were wrong. Both failed. Each other, themselves, and the crew. Another instance of the main theme.

Yes the only reason I don't like it is to fit in with anonymous people on an anime imageboard.

So the movie was entirely and unapologetically pointless and only edgy teenagers will appreciate it.

I'd be ecstatic to hear your reasons for not liking it if you'd allow me to present alternate viewpoints on your issues. I'm not saying they're all debatable - TLJ is by no means perfect - but working through others issues tempers my own otherwise uncontested praise.

Failure is never pointless unless you decide not to learn from it. Some might even say it's the greatest teacher there is.

>Failure is never pointless unless you decide not to learn from it. Some might even say it's the greatest teacher there is.
Makes sense considering this was aimed at Hillary voters whose constant consistent failures still echo a year later.

Disney

Please don't bite on the Sup Forums bait above me.

What stage of grief is this?
Still feels like denial but it might be transitioning to pain.

>I'd be ecstatic to hear your reasons for not liking it if you'd allow me to present alternate viewpoints on your issues
I really don't feel like it I've said it enough to other people. I just think the idea that anyone who dislikes it only dislikes it to fit in is fucking stupid.

Fair enough. Sorry you didn't like the movie. Merry Christmas!

I'm also allowed to dislike it because it fucking sucks.

Merry Christmas.

TLJ praise threads need all the replies it can get. You killed the thread telling people not to bite.

I hated TFA and enjoyed TLJ a great deal. Rian is much more preferrable to Jew Jew.

Does anyone know where I can find the studio version of the song in trailer 2? I can't believe it's not on the OST.

At the very least, they booted Treverrow. JJ might be boring, but it's least he's not unbearable awful Luke him.

Honestly, I would've preferred Trevorrow. JJ disqualified himself with TFA. He set up a bumch of mysteries without answers. Just like he did with Lost. He knows how to reward himself without working for it. Rian had absolutely zero to work with from JJ. This is how that man works. Let others do it for you.

I get the JJ hate. He's a somehow-neutered Spielberg with aspirations of Hitchcock. Still, Safety Not Guaranteed and Jurassic World are two of my most-hated movies in the last 10 years, so I was physically repulsed by his hiring. I also wouldn't have wanted Rian back, as much as I liked this one. I really can't think of the "perfect" director I'd want for IX.

It would be interesting to see Shane Carruth's take on the franchise, but he's nowhere near as bankable as anyone currently involved (fucking release Modern Ocean already). Maybe a future anthology movie, a really weird one.

>of 100 random negative user reviews from Rotten Tomatoes, 94% of them either had no account or were first-time users.

birthmoviesdeath.com/2017/12/20/the-curious-case-of-the-last-jedi-and-its-rotten-tomatoes-audience-score

Star Wars isn't just a thing for socially alienated white men/boys anymore. It's grown beyond that little niche, and it also needs to lose the baggage associated with whiteness/maleness to reach a larger audience and have more influence.

Lots of the lessons and teachings embodied by Luke Skywalker are white, masculine and western in character. They've been done to death. The monomyth, Joseph Campbellian structure is dated and stale, and it can't keep running on those fumes forever.

I sympathize with lots of the grumbling white male neckbeards are doing. Star Wars was their thing and they don't want to share their beloved toys. And they're obviously gonna hate The Last Jedi because, in essence, it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope.

The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma. There's something beautiful and touching about the sentiment of "passing the torch" in TLJ. The white western male, long held as the only source of heroism and power in the canon, gracefully steps aside not only for his own good, but for the good of the universe.

In more diverse and progressive hands, there's no telling what this universe, and the force along with it, might become. It's an exciting prospect, to say the least, for those who aren't embittered neckbeards living in their parents' basements.

TLJ is going to be a watershed moment in sci-fi and genre films generally. It's all about letting go, letting your creation grow beyond you. And Star Wars, like civilization itself, has evolved beyond its parochial and patriarchal past.

The score is fine on IMDB too. And it had an A CinemaScore. RT scores are dodgy as fuck. From both sides.

Meh, the big problem is using RT as a guide for any movie in the first place. Complaining at this point only fuels the fire. Let it go - TLJ will be our secret little guilty pleasure the masses overlook fucking with once they forget about it in a few weeks.

>it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope
I really think social issues and politics are exhausting to talk about and impossible to discuss here, but I saw Luke's legend as being more forced upon him by the galaxy - it became something greater than the sum of its parts. His reputation became more powerful than anything he could physically be. He exiled himself to preserve it, and came back one last time to ensure it survived.

In a world where men are weak, myths persevere. A tribute to Lucas, and an acknowledgement that any modern-day adaptations would always live in its shadow.

ESB >= ANH > TLJ > RotJ >= RotS > > > TFA > AotC > TPM > > > RO > > > TCW