I just watched The Last Jedi, and jesus fucking christ...

I just watched The Last Jedi, and jesus fucking christ, Rian Johnson ruined everything JJ Abrams was building up in The Force Awakens. Don't give me that "You're just mad because your fan theories were wrong." nonsense. Rey was clearly supposed to be Luke's daughter. Anybody with an IQ above 60 could tell. They literally used Luke's lines from Return Of The Jedi in the trailer for The Force Awakens.
>"The force is strong in my family."
>"My father has it."
>"I have it."
>"My sister has it."
>"...You have that power too."
She sees a vision of herself in Cloud City, standing in the same hallway Luke stood in when she touches his lightsaber.
She hears Obi-Wan tell her the same words he told Luke in A New Hope, "You've taken your first step into a larger world." and she sees a vision of Kylo Ren in the snowy forest on the Starkiller Base.
It's been established in Star Wars that Skywalkers can see the future. Anakin's mom literally says "he can see things before they happen." in The Phantom Menace, and Luke sees a vision of himself fighting Vader in the cave. He sees himself in Vader's helmet, which implies a connection between the two characters, which is revealed later in the film. Rey sees her future when she touches Luke's lightsaber.
She's force-sensitive as fuck.
She was purposefully not given a last name when every other character has one. Even side characters like Maz Kanata.
Luke's fucking theme music plays when she pulls the lightsaber from the snow at the end, mirroring Luke pulling it from the snow in Empire. It's literally the Skywalker lightsaber. It was owned by Anakin, and then by Luke, and now Rey.

How the FUCK did Rian ruin this? It had to be on purpose. This is clearly what JJ Abrams had planned.

Technically Finn doesn't have a last name either, maybe he'll end up being in the Skywalker lineage with how FUCKED UP this trilogy has become

This part pissed me right the fuck off. She even sees the island he's on in her vision, but OH NO. Rian "YOUR REY THEORY SUCKS" Johnson had to subvert everything and then mock us with lines like "This is not going to go the way you think!" :^)

what is a red herring

Umm sweetie you're thinking too much

Fuck off. Rian Johnson ruined everything else too.
>Who is Snoke?
Doesn't matter. He's dead.
>Who are The Knights Of Ren?
Doesn't matter because they'll never be mentioned again.
>Who are Rey's parents?
Nobody.
>How will Luke react to seeing his father's lightsaber? The lightsaber he was holding when he fought his father and lost his hand? The lightsaber Ben Kenobi kept all those years?
He'll toss it over his shoulder for a cheap laugh.

>ruined everything JJ Abrams was building up

Implying that JJ Abrams ever has a story fleshed out to the point where any of the questions he establishes are ever resolved.

Abrams is a fucking hack writer who is great at establishing mysterious elements to his stories but has no concept or clue on how those mysteries will be solved or explained. He had no plan for Snoke, or Rey, or anything. Where'd not-Yoda get Luke's lightsaber from? That's a story for another time! Fuck Abrams. Rian Johnson is the hero we need. He did his part to put Star Wars out of its fucking misery and he deserves a bit of gratitude.

How can it be a red herring when the directors and writers are literally making shit up as they go along?

Okay, but its clearly what JJ Abrams had in mind. Let's be real for a second.

I went to see it with my sister (she's a feminist, surprise)
I didn't really like it, neither did my dad actually, she did though, and her defense for the movie was basically
>it's filler! it's just advancing the ploooot!

This is why the Rey being a Mary Sue thing is such a massive problem for the trilogy, not just fucking up her character. Making her go full power almost immediately in TFA did a bunch of things. 1, people reasonably assume that she's some relation of someone big to give SOME fucking explanation for this. 2, mastering the force so quickly means that they inevitably have to introduce even more incredible shit the force can do in TLJ to have some kind of build. 3, the power dynamics of whose stronger than who are completely fucked between Rey and Kylo Ren, Luke and Snoke. JJ has just as much responsibility for this shit as Rian

Operation Clean Slate. Jar Jar Abrams ruined TFA by making it a nostalgia trip with weak new characters. If you were a real Sup Forums baner and not a plebbit plant you would have known that...

Let's just ignore that the movie exists and do what we want in the name of wincest.

>JJ Abrams was building up in The Force Awakens.
What a fucking joke. Just because he didn't completely deconstruct the past like Johnson did, doesn't mean Abrams was building anything good. He just copypasted everything and called it new.

>Have a whole movie about looking for Luke from a map he left in case of emergency
>Doesn't even want to help his sister

Then what was the point of the star maps wild goose chase?

Lucas has always stated that Luke does not get married nor has children. Which negated any post ROTJ literature that came out indicating otherwise.

Rey works better as a Solo. Concept art shoed Rey wearing Solo style belts and guns.

Rey C Mixer
She's not an ebil nazi skywalker male white supremacist, she's a race mixer.

Kek his mom must have been really fucking dark skinned

Yeah this stupid kike did completely copy one of the old ones, i saw a comparison cap before it was fucked.

Saw the movie earlier today

3 main complaints

1. Snoke has no backstory at all and abruptly dies
2. bubble shields and the entire story is a ship being chased and shot over and over, like, what
3. Light speed isn't instantaneous like its implied to be in every other fucking movie

Alien spacemutt

I think we all need to stop bickering whether JJ Abrams or Rian Johnson was worse. They're both fuckheads.

Rian is a fucking snake, honestly. You can see it in a lot of the interviews he's done.

Fuck JJ Abrams. He set up all this shit without thinking about anything because he just wanted a big nostalgia wankjob for TFA. TFJ tries to bring it all together and barring some things I hope can be explained in Episode IX, it succeeded.

Well I mean it's not like JJ abrahams actually made a solid foundation. TFA was a solid turd but then TLJ was a follow-up liquid diarrhea icing.

>Snoke has no backstory at all and abruptly dies
He was a weak character and I'm glad he's gone. >Behold, I'm Evil! And I command the Bad Guys! And Kylo Ren is my apprentice! I'm just like Emperor Palpatine, remember! Evil!

>ruined everything JJ Abrams was building up
TFA was shite too.
Remastering phantasm is the only good thing Abrams has ever done.

>TLJ tries to bring it all together
What? Did we watch the same flick? It tries to subvert and disregard EVERYTHING.

Fuck you all. The Force Awakens was a genuinely enjoyable film. It wasn't OT good, but it was better than any of the prequels. Anyone who says III is a masterpiece is a fucking contrarian.

Does Lucas actually have scripts for what this new trilogy would have been if he directed/wrote or what? Really everything Disney has done with Star Wars concerning the Skywalker's completely makes the OT and PT pointless since every character is just fucking dead. I would genuinely want to see or read Lucas' version because say what you want about the man he was dedicated and that's just lacking these days.

>OT - shit
>PREQUELS - worse
>DISNEY - vile

>Snoke has no backstory at all and abruptly dies
>implying it wasn't the same shit with Palpatine

The emperor's background was only revealed in the prequels.

The Last Jedi is an abomination. Its easily the worst Star Wars movie. I'll give you that, but The Force Awakens was enjoyable.

3 was better than tfa by far. U need to rewatch tfa to appreciate the shitness. >Who talks first do i talk first

>No...
>NO...
>NO!
>YOU WILL DIEEEEEEE!
>POWAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
>UN
>LIM
>OH
>TED
>POWAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!
Fuck that movie.

What do you expect them to do? JJ Abrams set up all this mystery and headcanon fodder so that nobody would even be happy with the stuff they settled on. Subverting everyone's expectations was the only way to go. I'd rather they go with subverting expectations than have a nice little bow on the predictable story that JJ Abrams was setting up because he was so driven by nostalgia and didn't give a fuck about explaining the meaning of anything.

The things they disregarded however I hope can be explained later and will be disappointed if they don't. Like I want to know Snoke's backstory and what the Knights of Ren are about.

...He doesn't have a name. Even Finn isn't his name.

>Emperor
>Existed for two movies prior as a background force
>Makes a short appearance in the second movie in the trilogy to establish his presence
>Even though Darth Vader does most of the heavy lifting in the final confrontation, he still has an important role to play

All Snoke did was foreshadow his own death.

Also, even if you made the argument that Palpatine was a weak character, which is a valid argument in itself, what does that have to do with Snoke? Are they not both allowed to suck?

just turn your brain off bro XD

There was no point; welcome to JJ.

>2 years of complaining about TFA being ripoff
>Rian unrips it off
>2 years of complaining about TLJ being a retcon

All in all I can say that passionate consumers of this media are ignorant fatheads

I'm fucking loving all this butthurt. I just saw it for a second time with my mom and brother and they both loved it. just like the first time I saw it there was a spattering of clapping after it ended. the movie was good. way better than TFA that's for sure.

Rian did this. Not JJ. His story was actually building to something.

RoTS is a genuinely enjoyble flick with flaws and same goes for the other prequels. What TFA was set up to be was predicated on sequels to solve its lingering questions and flaws when TLJ doesn't fix shit then ruins the last character/actor that cared about Star Wars living from the OT. All of this renders TFA and every movie before them pointless for no reason other than to keep shitting out movies without ties to past movies. Solo is going to probably be trash and everything else is just as bleak in the future of this franchise.

Did this tard Johnson even watch the OT or TFA?

Building to be a complete retread of the OT, yeah.

III was only good in the second half. It had lots of drama, fighting, and a killer lightsaber duel between brothers. The first half was like a continuation of II - dawdling, political, blah blah blah, Jedi this, the Force that, who cares.

TFA was just ctrl+c, ctrl+v of ANH. Of course, that's why it's a decent film. All of the new things that JJ brought to TFA are what sandbag it. That's why TFA sucks. It's at its core unoriginal but the original parts are bad. Meanwhile, TLJ takes leaps to be more original and completely disregards most of the setups from TFA. It fails a lot, like the boring casino sideplot, the totally misplaced humor, and the Finn Rose love plot which didn't seem to have any buildup whatsoever. But it also succeeds quite a bit as well. The Resistance is basically gone, there was a massive struggle between Rey and Kylo, Snoke is killed off so Kylo can shine, Luke reemerges as a hermit with one last task to perform before he is at peace and becomes a Force ghost, and many more.

Is TLJ a knockout? No. I walked away feeling very mixed emotions about it. But I still felt better than when I left TFA...I had watched the same movie 30 years ago.

He did write scripts based on his original manuscript and gave them to Kathleen Kennedy.. theres an interview with both of thwm where she carefully chooses her words to give the impression she would use them but actually means she has zero intention of doing so.

I wish someone would leak those so we can see what they were like. There was a Jedi temple, which was where Luke was initially, and there was a female Jedi apprentice, but beyond that nothing is really known.. at least not that I could find

Did you ever see Lost, motherfucker? JJ has exactly one (1) trick: baiting people down blind alleys with meaningless bullshit. He's a subversive kike who fills his stories with endless red herrings and empty, fake, mysteries that even he has nothing to back up and he should never have been allowed into this franchise.

TFW was a boring AnH remake with a shitty mary sue and plot conveniences, when will the orange testicle tell us how she got Lukes lightsaber when it fell in cloud fucking city.

>Subverting everyone's expectations was the only way to go.

Then do it well, for fuck's sake.

Luke can be a bitter old man who didn't want to be found but have the decency to explain why he left the map and don't totally assassinate his character.

Kylo can kill Snoke, but don't make him such a colossal pushover and give him some kind of real introduction and backstory.

Everyone's allowed to fail as long as we get some plot developments that set episode IX up to be something big instead of just saying REY HAS TO KILL KYLO REN. How hard could he have subverted expectations if Kylo Ren vs. Rey is still the endgame and the trilogy never pretended otherwise?

Just because he subverted expectations doesn't mean he deserves credit since he did it so fucking poorly that he basically negated TFA entirely and TLJ doesn't bring anything new to the table.

This movie really made me appreciate Kevin Feige

Even in the same production house! No one is able to successfully buoy a franchise inwardly and outwardly like this fucking man. These new Star Wars films are off the fucking rails creatively already after 2 short years. Thats DCEU tier

Cant wait for tellall Feige book

Well your fantasies aren’t canon anymore.

This. It doesn't have to be Nu-Empire Strikes Back, but at least giveus some us some fucking answers. At least acknowledge that the previous film exists.

>Thanks so much for this screening guys, I'm a huge fan. I don't have much time left but at least I'm going to find out the answers to some of the questions everyone has after The Force Awakens. I can't wait to find out the story behind Snoke, who he is, where he came from, how did he get so powerful in so short an amount of time after RotJ, is he related somehow to a previous sith? I'm sure his origins will be very interesting. Oh and I can't wait to learn more about the Knights of Ren, they really hinted how important they were with that one scene in TPM at Luke's academy. Can't wait to see how they followed up on that. And speaking of Luke I've been dying to find out what could cause someone as good and as resolute as him to just disappear, I mean he even went to the death star to redeem his father who was one of the most evil men who ever lived. If he went to that island he must have had a damn good reason, he wouldn't have just given up and let his friends and everything he fought for be torn apart, that's just not in his character. It will be exciting to see the real reason. And how did his lightsaber end up in that chest? I thought about it a lot and couldn't figure it out since he dropped it into the pit in cloud city. Should be real interesting. I love Phasma too, is she one of the Knights of Ren? I'm sure we'll learn more about her backstory. And of course Rey's parentage! I've been talking about that to all the people at the hospital here and everyone has a different theory, that she's Luke's daughter, that she's Han and Leia's kid somehow, that she's Obi Wan's granddaughter, that she's a forgotten clone of Palpatine, so many theories, I mean she has to be related to someone with all that buildup and foreshadowing and the way she dreamed of the Island, her connection with Luke, the way she experienced Luke's memories when she touched his lightsaber, it's obvious! Well enough talk, lets get this show on the road. May the force be with you!

>severing all previous groundwork and replacing it with nothing is "subverting expectations"

>Rianplebs actually believe this

Theres fork in road. Left leads to scary woods. Right to sunny meadows. Going left is subverting expectations. The Last Jedi turned the car around

The Emperor already existed at the beginning of the original film. Snoke is a new character interjected into an established setting. It would be like if there was an eighth Harry Potter book set two weeks after 7 and it's about how they're all fighting Moldevort who is 10x stronger than Voldemort.

The last jedi not only ruins all future STAR WARS movies, it also retroactively ruins the past films and makes them all look like idiots.

>A New Hope - "Sir we've worked out the final plan for the assault on the death star and it will be risky and cost many lives but it migh-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it"

>Empire - "Sir the troops are ready for the ground assault on Hoth, walkers are ready to deploy" "Just Hyperspace-Ram the shield generator from orbit then Hyperspace-ram the rebel base. Boom. All the rebels will be dead before they can evacuate, war is over, and we never had to do a ground assault"

>Jedi - "Sir they built a new death star and it's even bigg-" "Just Hyperspace-Ram it" "But sir it's surrounded by a shield from the Endor moo-" "Just hyperspace ram the endor Moon until you take out the shield generator, Ewoks are collateral damage, then hyperspace ram the new death star"

>Phantom Menace - "Annakin you have to take out that droid controller" "Just hyperspace ram it"

>Rogue One - "We have to take down that shield generator!" "Just hyperspace ra- actually you know what were going to just hyperspace ram the death star anyway so we don't even need these stupid plans. Lets get out of here everybody."

>TFA - My god they built an even BIGGER death sta-" "Just hyperspace ram it"

I can't agree enough on Luke. Luke was a hopeless idealist who dreamed of leaving Tatooine to have an adventure. He refused to kill Vader in the heat of battle, with the emperor egging him on.

If you're going to give him an arc about losing hope and almost turning to violence: sure that could be interesting. But to do it in flashbacks? Have him throw away his lightsaber for a fucking joke? Fuck off.

Who cares

Did everybody forget about that weird narrated part in The Last Jedi? That was fucking jarring. Everybody talks about the casino, and the alien milk, and super leia, and the character assasination of Luke, and the lightspeed kamikaze thing, but nobody mentions that Rey narrated a scene. It was fucking weird.

Nice deflection, soyboy.

Kys nazi

Better a Nazi than a traitor

Which scene?

There's no reason this story even needed to be told. No one cares how Luke Skywalker, Han, and Leia die. That isn't notable. That isn't even interesting. Death is an inevitable and organic consequence of life, not something to write a story around, not by anyone sane, anyway and these movies never needed to fucking exist except to satisfy some psychotic Jew demand to desecrate and annihilate Star Wars as it existed from 1977 to 2015. You'll note the difference between the two sequels and Rogue One being that while Rogue One does indeed include the termination of all its own original characters as a consequence of the plot it does so in the service of delivering hope; rather than despair, as these horrifyingly kiked-up movies were intended to because they can't handle being inadequate at screenwriting and only seek greatness by destroying something else.

>Luke can be a bitter old man who didn't want to be found but have the decency to explain why he left the map and don't totally assassinate his character.

They didn't assassinate his character. They did what only made sense by having him even for a second do something he was ashamed of and inadvertently destroying everything he was working for. Why else would he have ran away for years while everyone was fighting?

>Kylo can kill Snoke, but don't make him such a colossal pushover and give him some kind of real introduction and backstory.

I agree with this which is why with Snoke's purpose of being an initial pushover fulfilled, he needs to come back and be the threat he's supposed to be.

>Everyone's allowed to fail as long as we get some plot developments that set episode IX up to be something big instead of just saying REY HAS TO KILL KYLO REN. How hard could he have subverted expectations if Kylo Ren vs. Rey is still the endgame and the trilogy never pretended otherwise?

If they're smart, and I honestly hope to god they are, with Episode IX they will find a happy place between the two extremes of TFA being a complete retread, and XIII basically pissing on everyone's expectations. For what it's worth, I'm okay with the things episode XIII did as long as it's part of a larger picture. I shouldn't even expect it to turn out well, but it's not the end of the world. I survived the shitshow that is the prequels, I can survive the sequels just being merely underwhelming.

I also want to know what keeps ships from hitting shit in Hyperspace if it can cause so much destruction to the ship and anything it collides with

I'm sure they've made some expensive dictionary book explaining why it only worked this one time

The totally-not-Empire scene where she goes into the totally-not-the-evil-cave-from-Empire and looks in that weird mirror thing.

Rey is a weird character period and all this about force being female doesn't work with shit tier characters like her but would be fine with Leia if they have ever shown Leia in anything doing more than fucking having telepathy.

I don't necessarily care all that much about the gutting of everything established (though Luke deserved better), but what I do care about is: what's left? We all know the good guys win in the end, but when you've wrapped up so many things in the middle of a trilogy, how much story is even left to tell?

You're thinking about it the wrong way; they still need to clown on whitey and teach people to hate beauty, wealth, and honor.

Oh yeah, that entirely pointless scene?

Hyperspace in Star Wars is SUPPOSED to be an alternate dimension that you can only reach by traveling at or faster than the speed of light. Objects in hyperspace aren't supposed to be able to interact with objects in realspace.

THIS FILM FEELS LIKE IT EXISTS TO SHIT ON ALL OF THE OTHER FILMS

>episode 13
calm down nigga

Star Wars is not a franchise about plot points, logic, or actions; it’s a franchise about ideas and feelings. And the point of this sequence is the idea of oppression and inequality, and the feeling of righteous indignation about it, and giving Rose the opportunity to vocalize those points and establish herself as the voice for that in this new trilogy. Because, again, it’s been a missed opportunity for a long time that Star Wars has been preoccupied with the experiences of royals, elites, religious orders, and other upscale characters at the expense of everybody else. It’s a really cool step to have this character, who’s essentially a one woman get-over-your-bullshit machine, come to this glamorous place and point out that the villainy isn’t just the space Nazis, it’s the upper class that lets the Nazis get away with stuff because they stand to benefit. You see, it’s the non-mystical, on the ground component that allows the film to get away from the narrowly classist vision of the Force going on in the Rey-Luke stuff

They destroyed the shields. Otherwise there would be no hyperspace ramming.

The whole movie was pointless, but yeah. The one that was so utterly pointless that you forgot about it a week later lmao

okay but the lightspeed ship bullet was one of the coolest scenes i've seen in any film ever

>I also want to know what keeps ships from hitting shit in Hyperspace if it can cause so much destruction to the ship and anything it collides with

Rain actually fucked it up. Hyerpsace jumps are (were) supposed to basically teleporting the ship into its own little bubble of spacetime.

Fuck off you dumb nihilist

Rogue One was actually pretty decent despite being unnecessary and it still has flaws but I can overlook them unlike this shit trilogy. Solo is going to probably be complete dogshit too so that should be fun to see.

someone typed this unironically

it's also the single most retarded disaster in the movie

Who's a nihilist? I hate nihilism. I'm a Volkist.

It would be cool in a fucking anime, but not in Star Wars.

Actually, scratch that. Cowboy Bebop had more consistent space physics than this film. At least hyperspace acted like hyperspace in that show and space didn't have gravity and people couldn't float through space without an oxygen mask.

did the first order ship not have enough time to go instantaneously into hyperspace themselves and dodge it? it seemed like they did

Did you write this yourself or copy it from Tumblr or Reddit? 10/10 bait and I just wish George could have kept on with his Flash Gordon shit.

At this point, who fucking cares? Literally nothing in the film made sense.

They specifically show in the movie that the shields on the supremacy were up.

besides, it was established in TFA you can hyperspace past shields

>autistic retard assmad his fanfiction wasnt true
Fuck off, rey being literally nobody was the only good part about the movie.

Even worse. You're a hipster

this actually makes me sad regardless of its actual factuality because this is going to be true for alot of people who saw this movie.

people are going to die before the next movie comes out and will have to go to grave not knowing and knowing they never will.

Your appraisal of others' motives is inferior.

>Why else would he have ran away for years while everyone was fighting?

That's what people wanted to know. Granted, it's one of the few questions that was posed in TFA that actually got an answer in this movie, but the problem is that the answer is handled poorly.

Luke feeling threatened by Kylo isn't fleshed out as much as it should have been. Someone who felt that even Darth Vader could have been redeemed fell into child killer territory far too quickly. This fact, which could have led to some great character moments if they were properly explained and thoroughly discussed, but it all comes on too quickly and it feels like a stilted misunderstanding of Luke as a character and treated like a natural progression instead of the sudden, shocking swerve it really is.

>able to use advanced Jedi techniques, that have literally only ever been shown being used by characters with years of practice, with nothing more than a vague idea it's possible
It would be like if Anakin won the podrace by killing Sebulba with Force Lightning, or Obi-Wan ripping the Trade Federation blockade in half with his brain.

Ready for second semester to start, Timmy?

>Rian Johnson ruined everything JJ Abrams was building up in The Force Awakens.
Umm, no sweety, JJ Abrams doesn't build things up, he just had his magic box with nothing inside it.

But in all seriousness, no way in hell did JJ have anything actually planned with any of that stuff. His entire gimmick is setup with no payoff, and lens flare. Rian Johnson is going tabula rasa for the third installment, and there is no possible satisfying conclusion to this "trilogy", which had, at no time in its development, a cohesive, three act structure. It'll literally be three stand alone narratives tied only into a trilogy because their owner says they are.

there are unironically no one interested in this

Yeah that was absolutely bizarre