Thanks manchildren. After this we're back to corporate-controlled OT rehashes...

Thanks manchildren. After this we're back to corporate-controlled OT rehashes. Disney won't risk shit now that idiots are sperging out for anything that deviates from the religion of OT.

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After making something that was too much of a rehash with TFA and something that is the complete opposite of that with TLJ, they'll realize that episodes IX needs to be a good mixture of both. Hopefully.

>sperging out for anything that deviates from the religion of OT
Yeah, THAT was the problem, you scapegoating retard. Not the fact that it intentionally dropped every bit of mystery from TFA with the most boring answers possible or no answers at all.

Bravo!

JJ's mystery box garbage can go to hell.

Star Wars isn't just a thing for socially alienated white men/boys anymore. It's grown beyond that little niche, and it also needs to lose the baggage associated with whiteness/maleness to reach a larger audience and have more influence.

Lots of the lessons and teachings embodied by Luke Skywalker are white, masculine and western in character. They've been done to death. The monomyth, Joseph Campbellian structure is dated and stale, and it can't keep running on those fumes forever.

I sympathize with lots of the grumbling white male neckbeards are doing. Star Wars was their thing and they don't want to share their beloved toys. And they're obviously gonna hate The Last Jedi because, in essence, it's about how Luke's legend really was flawed and limited in its scope.

The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma. There's something beautiful and touching about the sentiment of "passing the torch" in TLJ. The white western male, long held as the only source of heroism and power in the canon, gracefully steps aside not only for his own good, but for the good of the universe.

In more diverse and progressive hands, there's no telling what this universe, and the force along with it, might become. It's an exciting prospect, to say the least, for those who aren't embittered neckbeards living in their parents' basements.

TLJ is going to be a watershed moment in sci-fi and genre films generally. It's all about letting go, letting your creation grow beyond you. And Star Wars, like civilization itself, has evolved beyond its parochial and patriarchal past.

>unironaclly being excited for JJ "mysteries"
Did Lost teach you nothing? He writes mysteries he has no clue what the answers are.

>corporate-controlled OT rehashes
God, I hope so.

>Disney can go to hell

Suck a dick, Mouse shill. This was one of the worst movies I've ever watched in recent times and it has nothing to do with it being original or not.

Or, you know, they won't do shit because it's just white men shrieking at this film.

>sperging out for anything that deviates from the religion of OT.

OP is a very clever lying faggot

That is not our problem with the film, it shits on everything that comes before it and the story is dumb as fuck

>Movie starts with Empire attacking Rebel base, survivors are forced to evacuate after enduring big losses
>meanwhile young force sensitive person trains with an old Jedi master
>second plot is Rebel survivors escaping from bigger Imperial fleet
>Rebels are betrayed by a shady character they wrongfully trusted
>meanwhile young Jedi abandons their training and goes to confront the bad guy
very orginal indeed, never seen that plot in any Star Wars movie before

I made no positive argument for all those loose ended setups being there in the first place. Just saying the only thing dumber than a mystery box is a mystery box with nothing in it. Subverting expectations for the sake of surprise or subversion alone is ultimately boring. After the initial shock or twist you're just kind of left with nothing. This movie was made for too much with the audiences expectations in mind, it was so preoccupied with what people would think of it that it forgot to be anything worth thinking about at all.

That's fine and groovy, just don't be annoyed when those who liked the monomyth (which by nature is pan-ethnic and older than history) stop giving the mouse their money.

This movie was offensively bad though.
I would prefer safe market tested trash than this trainwreck.

Yo you think Rey and Kylo will fuck in the next one?

when did shills decide "mystery box" was a good meme to push? is it gaining traction with normies?

Decent pasta.

>TLJ didnt copy most iconic scenes from Empire and Return of the Jedi
>some anons honestly believe it had original storytelling

what did they risk exactly with tlj you retard? It's an esb \ rotj studio assembled rehash \ remix

what is this meme that the movie is bad because it took risks???

>Disney won't risk shit
Good, Disney sucks at making good movies, they should focus on making good selling garbage

AHahahahahhaha

the absolute state of modern journalism

>Subverting expectations for the sake of surprise or subversion alone is ultimately boring.
This, wtf were they thiking? How the fuck will this movie age?People in a couple of decades will not understand anything when they watch the entire trilogy at once in the internet.

>he thinks Disney didn't control the TLJ production

Good?

Why would you WANT shit movies?

Some things are okay when they're boring though. Especially when JJ Abrams wants you to think so much about something when he himself couldn't give a shit as to what the answers are. Rey's parents being nobodies is preferable to all the theories and shit that JJ wanted you to think for instance.

Funny how that is the narrative. A female friend who is an outspoken feminist and the most SJW person I know was also very disappointed with this movie. Because it's just not a well-told story.

It began with the Empi- I mean First Order striking back while Luke spent time on a different planet training with Yoda- I mean Rey spent time on a different planet training with Luke and Luke wanders into a cave and has a vision I mean Rey wandered into a cave to have a vision so Luke goes to take on Vader who reveals he's his father and to search his feelings he knows it's true- I mean Rey went to take on Kylo Ren who reveals that nobody important is her father and to search her feelings she knows it's true, meanwhile Han Solo's relationship develops with Leia and at the end it is reveled that she loves hi- I mean Fin's relationship develops with Rose and at the end it is revealed that she loves him and there's a battle between the good guys' small speedy ships vs the bad guys' big slow elephant ships on a snow pla- I mean between the good guys' small speedy ships vs the bad guys' big slow elephant ships on a SALT planet.

Yeah, real big fucking risks taken with this one.

I think it was "risky" in all the wrong places. At least if you ask me.

If you ask me going back full circle to A New Hope with the empire controlling everything and our ragtag rebels to fight it was the ultimate derivative move. It feels like the entire OT and even TFA was for nothing. I would have liked a movie about rebuilding the republic, or hunting down the remnants of the empire. That would be "risky" for me.

Instead their "risky" was shoving down marxist, animal rights, toxic males messages, having tumblr self inserts as the greatest heroes, and reducing Luke Skywalker to a garbage character that's mocked and beaten trough the movie. It lessens the OT so bad.

Or how about "risky" if they set it 400 years in the future so we don't have to see OT characters reduced to this

>the first order went from imperial insurgents to being powerful enough to overthrow the new republic AND cripple the resistance in the time it took rey to travel to the planet luke was on
did anyone even mention to finn that the republic is now dead? he was in a coma since starkiller base

>did anyone even mention to finn that the republic is now dead?
Who cares about that you fuckin nerd, stop asking questions and enjoy all those PEW PEW laser fights and kick ass womyn you dumb goy

>Instead their "risky" was shoving down marxist, animal rights, toxic males messages, having tumblr self inserts as the greatest heroes, and reducing Luke Skywalker to a garbage character that's mocked and beaten trough the movie. It lessens the OT so bad.

Everyone on both sides thinking of political messages the movies have are thinking too much. They're just movies.

>did anyone even mention to finn that the republic is now dead? he was in a coma since starkiller base

He knew about the Republic's capitol worlds being destroyed.

This movie used Luke Skywalker as the ultimate cliffhanger and advertising point, only to fucking turn him into some comic relief bum who tried to kill his uncle, accomplished nothing in his life and left everyone to die.

fuck this fucking movie

"Mooooom, I posted it again..."

>that gif
?????

>that gif

lol what

That’s actually the worst part.
Everyone assumed she had to be someone, because it would retroactively go a way to fixing her being a raging Mary Sue. The fact that she’s an absolute nobody makes her ridiculous power level bullshit even worse than ever.

>elite guard
>starts motionless for 4 seconds allowing Mary Sue to do this retarded "trick"

I like how he had to let go of her when she dropped her lightsaber to make that bullshit possible

Anakin's parents were nobodies aswell.

Make shit
Be surprised when people say it's shit...

Agree that they should show her not being so adept at everything, but she was literally chosen by the force to balance Kylo Ren. It's space magic. Ain't got to explain shit.

List off both his parents, then post that again with a straight face.

Besides, Anakin did nothing close to what Rey is doing.
That’s including her utter immunity the dark side they’re trying to show, be it by intention or incompetence

>train in the ways of the Force all your life
>trained by Jake Skywalker and Snoke
>some random guuurl gets chosen by the Disney Force
>is immediately more powerful than you at anything you do cause FUCK LOGIC
>commit suicide

>muh Sup Forums buzzwords
Jesus mate get a grip

Who were Yoda's parents? What about Palpatine's parents? The force doesn't work like that.

>implying it took risks with TLJ

Obvious troll, but I'll bite:

>FUCK THE PATRIARCHY
Female characters can't do no wrong. Or can they?

>BAGGAGE
Like... Why not just hyperspace ram everything from now on?

>STEP ASIDE WHITE MAN
Non-white males can gladly own this soulless garbage... If they want to

IDEA

Jedi killers. They reached mastery of the force, after which they used their powers to completely sever themselves from the force. aFTer this they endure brtual hand to hand training. What they do is then assassinate jedi ans sith that cannot sense them and doge their attacks. But these assassin can't use force powers anymore and they can't use any weapon against the jedi (because the weapons are still connected and the jedi\sith would sense them)

This.
Not to mention obvious pacing, acting and characterisation problems. It is just a bad movie, period, even without touching the lore aspect.

I think you didn't get his joke

The same people who praise this shit on the prequels.

Ha ha. Classic.

>Subverting expectations for the sake of surprise or subversion alone is ultimately boring.
I disagree slightly. If this still progress the story or isnt done constantly, i think its ok.

>Thinking Rey is currently as strong as Kylo Ren
Lmao no, it was explained in the film as to why Kylo Ren lost on Starkiller Base

>Not to mention obvious pacing, acting and characterisation problems.

Still a better movie than TFA and the prequels.

Snoke explained that Rey is Kylo's equal because of muh balance. Did fall asleep at that scene or something? Can't blame you if you did.

i strongly disagree

That's okay.

...

Are you trying to imply both Sheev and Yoda were born with the abilities shown in the PT and OT?
Because that’s the problem people have with Rey. She earns nothing. She has no reason to have any of the abilities she has.
If she was powerful but untrained, meaning she had to learn her powers and get the fine control the hard way like Luke, people would have no problem.
If she was already established as a Jedi or even trained by some mystic, people would have no problem.

I’m pretty sure you know this, but are deflecting

this

The problem is that show and tell clash viciously on that point.
The movie tries to tell us that Kylo is Rey's equal, and that he's a terrifyingly powerful force user.
The movie shows us that he's a little bitch that gets constantly shown up by Rey.

It's made worse because it's a clear attempt to bullshit a justification for Rey's abilities, but makes it even worse. I can just imagine the meeting
>What do we do? They still think she's a Mary Sue?
>How about explain it that she's powerful literally because the galaxy chose her specifically
>You mean like with Anakin, but without any of the flaws and failings? Fucking genius.

No, it is not, at the very least in pacing department. Either way, the bar isn't terribly high here.

No, i'm saying that she doesn't have to have powerful parents since Yoda/Palpatine didn't and they're some of the most powerful force-users ever.

>If she was already established as a Jedi or even trained by some mystic, people would have no problem.
Except she knew nothing at the start of TFA and her force-powers were drawn out by duress. It's dumb but her parents being somebody doesn't solve the dumb.

lol no he just said that she had the same raw power. Did you miss where he berated Kylo for losing to an untrained girl because killing Han didn't strengthen his resolve but actually tore him in two?

It has better pacing than TFA at least. I liked TFA, but it was too rushed and gave little time to stop and breathe. Pacing isn't too much of an issue with the prequels because George Lucas knew how to tell a basic good adventure story with it's ups and downs even if the real story and dialog sucked.

Luke is stronger than Yoda though, don't try and pretend Luke didn't have fuck all training. The prequels ruined what the general idea of what The Force is. It's not some RPG where you grind to get stronger, it's always been about letting The Force guide you.

>Except she knew nothing at the start of TFA and her force-powers were drawn out by duress.
The one thing I actually forgive about TFA is Rey being able to resist the mind probe and turn it back. That actually does seem like an innate reaction someone might be able to produce.
Everything else though is pure bullshit

> It's dumb but her parents being somebody doesn't solve the dumb.
I suppose I can't fault you there

>Thanks manchildren.
You mean, thank Lucas for shilling out
You mean, thanks Fox for selling a ton of their shit to Disney
You mean, thanks megacorporations for fucking you in the ass.

>Luke is stronger than Yoda though, don't try and pretend Luke didn't have fuck all training.
wat.
Luke doesn't beat Sheev my out force lifting him, m8. He beats him by trusting his feelings trying an approach Yoda or Sheev didn't think about.
He's quite clearly weaker than both in RoTJ, but he was still a better Jedi at the end of the day.

>It's not some RPG where you grind to get stronger, it's always been about letting The Force guide you.
I agree to an extent, but the OT clearly showed that you have to learn the mindset required, and that you couldn't just wish real hard and have everything work. That shit leads to Vader related hand surgery.

Anakin had probably twice to potential of Dooku in the force but still got his ass kicked by him numerous times.

>The Jedi philosophy, just like the phallocentric white male western patriarchy, was bogged down in its own dogma.

Not the stuff Yoda teaches. Yoda spouts some real wisdom, mostly based on buddhist teachings.

Trusting his feelings and trusting The Force are one in the same

and they also need to be naked cause clothes are connected

There was no joke.

I agree with most of your points but TLJ is still a bad movie. It has entire plot lines going nowhere, it has two or three three more dramatic conclusions then it should, it has messed up timeline (entire Rey training should around ten hours) and bad acting in general.

This is just a dishonest criticism and it obviously written by someone who doesn't watch many movies

Abrams literally has a 20 minute TED talk about it called mystery box, must be almost 10 years old by now.

What is the average age of posters in this thread? My God every post is more retarded than the next

Sorry, was meant to be

>sperging out for anything that deviates from the religion of OT

Just dont make it marxists propaganda anymore

Abrams is a fraud. I wonder how long before people wake up. How many more series he will wreck with his hackish ways. It's people like Rian that change film. People like JJ just copy or don't copy them.

I'm pretty sure even Disney has realized that Abrams is shit given that they're sending him packing the minute IX is out the door.

lmao how the fuck was this sterile, corporate garbage risky?

>Disney won't risk shit now
It's the future you chose, baby.

Kennedy and JewJew will be get fired as soon as IX will be out. You must Imagine even Johnson got a trilogy from Disney. Even at the beginning they gave JewJew only the first part, but thanks to Kennedy she must fire the director of the last part.

Giving IX to him was a big mistake. There are so many more suitable directors but they must've realized TLJ was polarizing so they went back to their safe card. Maybe Terrio will bring some much needed individuality to the film but I doubt it.

>steal Snyder's shots
>steal Snyder's writers

Karma hits

>steal Snyder's box office drops

Jokes aside a Snyder standalone SW film like Rogue One would be pretty interesting. The guy is absolutely obsessed with Star Wars.

This director for each part was bullshit they will stick up to give only one director for each trilogy.

>Sup Forums called it jew propaganda to gain more money from chinks and minority and women
IT ALL MAKES SENSE NOW!!!!
It's written by tumblrina who think women don't need men to do their job. Just looked at Poe and Finn and Luke. Poe is potrayed as loose canon who is good at he is doing but accomplish nothing or at the cost of his allies. Finn can't even shut down the fucking beacon. Luke is just a fodder, he lost to the strong independent woman Rey and ultimately have to sacrifice himself so feminists and their entourage can escape.

And the final fight is on the salt mine.
>Tumblrina write is feminist. Feminist hates men and love tears of sexist. Tears are salty. Salt mine is full of salt
>Big strong evil man get outplayed on salt planet
Sup Forums was right once again

I was sort of giving Rey the benefit of the doubt on the force powers because I thought she was being set up to be one of Luke's apprentices that somehow escaped, hence the flashbacks in TFA. But then TLJ went "nope, fuck consistency, it's not like normies care about it".

I honestly can't see how you enjoy any film with this paranoia.

>corporate-controlled OT rehashes
you mean like TLJ you worthless retarded piece of shit?

It had wonderful visuals. I can't wait for the BD rip just so I can compare it to the dry and boring TFA.

>It's people like Rian that change film
In the same way the Hindenburg changed aeronautics.

>Kennedy and JewJew will be get fired as soon as IX will be out.
Yes, and they'll make a big song and dance about how Star Wars is "changing to accommodate the fans" and they're "going for a new direction" in order to try getting TFA levels of hype back for their next trilogy.

I wonder how many people will fall for it.

>Just white men
Say it with my kids, "Socialism is for retards."

youtube.com/watch?v=r9C7Grxk4bU

Yes yes. Excellent. Straight into the trap.

Youd only care op if you were going to give money to disney