Says western animation is shit

>says western animation is shit
>proceeds to make the same mistakes

I don't want to say that western cartoons are dead, because I still enjoy some of them, but this makes me wonder if action genre is actually dead for good.

Sounds like a massive weeb and with what he's done this season with Ashi I'm pretty sure he is

I doubt he said that though because he'd be shitting on a lot of his friends

Why does everyone keep saying animation is shit nowadays? Yeah, sure, there are shitty ass reboots and other shows no one likes but almost every cartoon is unique and interesting nowadays. Like Gumball or Steven Universe are both unique and are pretty ambitious yet no one cares and everyone is still unsatisfied. Even Samurai Jack comes along and it's honestly one of the best things this decade yet everybody hates it only because the pacing was off for one episode and two characters kissed. You guys will never be satisfied. Standards are too damn high. Just relax and enjoy stuff for once. Not everything has to be the magnum opus of television or animation.

Gumball and Steven Universe are literal dogshit.
And so is the new Samurai Jack season.

You just have shit taste.

>western animation is shit

eastern animation is also shit so we have a tie

Eastern animation is GOAT, shitposter.

Post anything good that was made in last 5 years

He wants to relive his childhood crush via his characters

>Industry so dead that they need to churn out moeshit so NEETS and otakus will buy them to keep the industry afloat

I'm pretty sure Genndy meant the literal animation. He was always all stylistic and artsy fartsy with his work, while most modern cartoons are painful homogenized in that department. I don't think he gives much of a shit about story, as long as it enables interesting animation.

> homogenized

Oreimo

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This is exactly like Bryke. Amazing art direction, story sucks because they just don't really care.

You think you're funny don't you?
Alright you did get me to chuckle

The art in nuSJ is a significant step down from the original, though.

It's the same but cleaner.

I don't hate the relationship but Ashi has overly dominated the whole season. The Scotsman showed up for like two seconds and he disappeared for weeks on end to do fuck all. Da Sam oo rai was kind of sad since he never developed much in the interim. All of those plot threads basically got cut and Ashi is the thing with the focus.

Shit, if you cut like a minute of Ashi stuff from each episode and gave the Scotsman more time as a B story you could have your cake and eat it too. But it literally has to be all Ashi every episode.

If you think the new Samurai Jack season is shit then you're a fucking retard. I can understand seeing a steady decrease in quality, but oh my God.

Reminder that people on this board actually criticized Episode 2.

I dunno, looks to me like he's still doing a lot of fun things, And his scenery porn is still up there
I would argue it's literally less rounded, with more sharp angles, I imagine to reflect the more DARK'N GRITTY atmosphere
Well animation errors in a show that emphasizes that aspect is pretty embarassing

Well she's essentially a nobody that's supposed to be a major aspect in Jack's life, so they would logically have to dedicate as much time to her as possible.
That said, I still don't care for her implementation. And I do hate the relationship.

So like always? Anime has always been shit that is why you turn manga where you find most of good shit.
And moeshit is pretty much dead nowdays too, isekai big next thing

>hating an episode for animation errors when you couldn't even see them unless someone pointed them out for you

Wow, Incredible.

What do you watch user, enlighten me.

I find animation fine as it is. I just want more variety in style like Samurai Jack. I don't like my animation smooth like Disney.

The boots were pretty obvious. They clearly show him losing them, then they rematerialize for a couple scenes then vanish again without explanation

Miyazaki pls only thing you were right was that too much anime isnt good thing.

If you think it's shit, you are retarded, but if you think it's anywhere near 10/10 or 8/10 for that matter you are also retarded.

it's just ranges from good to meh

>Not priding your work enough to make sure it holds up under scrutiny
What kind of artist are you?

>isekai
>not homobait sports kino

Please direct me to a cartoon that has no animation errors. I'd love to watch it.

He was pretty happy he got to do it.

The explanation is that the animation checkers were too busy looking at the explosion in the background to notice it.

It's still miles better than any other cartoon in the last 7 years. Genndy is working on a fucking TOONAMI budget.

>Reminder that people on this board actually criticized Episode 2.
The Aku scene was shit.

Not really

>t. minority that didn't like the Aku scene

Alright friend, nobody cares.

>It's still miles better than any other cartoon in the last 7 years.
Given how far cartoons have fallen since the early 2000s, that's an extremely low standard to meet.

It was literally terrible in every way. Terrible script, terrible animation, terrible voice acting. Anyone who defends it just wants there to be at least one 10/10 episode in this season.

>Why does everyone keep saying animation is shit nowadays?

Sup Forumsntrarianism.

They're running around with nostalgia-polished ideas of what old Thunder Cats and TMNT were like (protip: they were kinda shit), and in their eyes every modern cartoon is a SJW tumblr sapiosexual metrogendered strawman preachfest. Nothing can shake these beliefs, even when they are shown that they're 100% objectively wrong, because they don't just believe - they WANT to believe.

They want to be pissed at stuff and raise a stink. It's all they have.

>Genndy is working on a fucking TOONAMI budget.
That's right, the BUDGET is the problem. Not the repeatedly shitty writing.

>They're running around with nostalgia-polished ideas of what old Thunder Cats and TMNT were like
No, we're running around rewatching Jack, ATLA, Teen Titans, and TMNT 2003 (not the shitty original), and wondering what the fuck happened to cartoons since that era.

>Teen Titans, and TMNT 2003

Mediocre at best.

Couldn't you at least bring up something really good, like Dexter's Lab or Gargoyles?

>step down from the original

are you retarded? It's improoved

SJ and ATLA are the only exceptional shows in that lineup.

I'd like a cool action series on the level of ATLA, but I'm fine with the stuff we've got. You guys are so enamored with the past that you can't appreciate the present.

ATLA literally had the exact problem as GF, actually. They both had somewhat lackluster endings. And believe me, people gave it shit when it was running, Back then the 'golden age of cartoons' was a decade earlier too.

>isekai
That's an even bigger cancer.

I thought were were talking about animation, not story content

Shinsekai Yori was made exactly five years ago, IIRC.

Then you got stuff in the current and previous seasons, like LWA, Konosuba, Uchouten Kazoku, etc.

>They're running around with nostalgia-polished ideas of what old Thunder Cats and TMNT were like (protip: they were kinda shit)
They were phenomenally shit, but that doesn't change the horrendous disappointments their reboots were. Thundercats was legit awful just as a standalone show.
Animation was still good though.

Those two are good, but the two I named are great. Quite a big difference there.
TT > both ATLA and SJ IMO. Haven't rewatched TMNT 2003 recently, but IIRC same goes there.

Cartoons are in a pretty good spot now.

If you want a real dark age then try 2005-2009.

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I'd take a dark age with actual hope for something better (and the tail end of many good cartoons to boot) versus the hopeless wasteland we have now, with cartoons ranging from mediocre to terrible and no better cartoons likely to be made for years if not decades.

He said he doesn't like where the animation industry is at right now in the Q&A before the first episode, newfriend.

Both of those. I did hope fujos would stay in their own little place but no. And now there is people who think that japan progressive because of that one anime

That is my point and that will probably kill actually fantasy series for few years

>TT > both ATLA and SJ IMO. Haven't rewatched TMNT 2003 recently, but IIRC same goes there.

I'm just going to accept that our opinions are completely incompatible and that there's no point in arguing.

For me, that statement seems so wrong I almost can't believe anyone would be so bold as to write it down.

>a dark age with actual hope for something better
No such thing. There was no hope at all back in the late-00s.

Only the first 3 seasons of Regular Show, Adventure Time, maybe Steven Universe, and the entirety of Gumball were good. Although i admit i haven't been following Gumball recently.

Anything else is dogshit. We've entered another dark age of animation, and Genndy fucked it up even more.

People were screaming "SAMURAI JACK IS RUINED" the second he killed a girl. There's no pleasing any of the retarded shitposters.

TT has the best characterization of any cartoon I've ever seen by far, and that is the most important thing for me. It also has very strong storylines for a cartoon, only second to ATLA Book 2 probably.

Literally nobody said this and 90% of Sup Forums absolutely loved episode 2 and 1, shut the fuck up, faggot.

So this is power of falseflagging.

Link me to archives of people shitting on episode 2.

So you're wilfully delusional. What's that got to do with anything?

>TT has the best characterization of any cartoon I've ever seen by far

Again, I'm flabbergasted. I honestly can't understand why you'd think this. I mean, I watched the show, and I liked it, but I don't see how anyone anywhere could come to this conclusion.

Not even mad, just incredibly confused. I feel like I must have missed a season or something.

Yeah, when you compare American animation to anything else done in North America, you can say, "B-but Steven Universe is pretty ambitious!".

When you compare that to stuff from Europe and Japan, suddenly the bar falls.

When you compare it to actual live-action works, suddenly something like Roseanne comes across as fucking Emmy-award-winning when put up against "ambitious" American toons. The fact is, the majority of animation seems to lack a lot of basic storytelling elements which is why it's viewed so pitifully by other people.

They excuse it because "it's for kids!" even though children's literature is far more ambitious and sometimes even better written.
People who watch live-action never take it seriously unless it's South Park because let's face it, we don't even have a single show worthy of comparing to something viewed highly like Breaking Bad.
We grade our things our a curve because of how low the standard is for animation. It's why shit like Space Jam is viewed as a "pretty good kids film" because what the fuck else are they gonna watch? Who cares if it's a good film, it's a good film ~for kids~!

It's bad enough we have small studios trying to take advantage of the kiddy market by making crap like The Nut Job, but when artists like Gennedy and Rebecca Sugar think they're somehow progressing the medium even though their stories are simplistic, cliche, and often riddled with pacing issues, you start to realize that these aren't artists passionate about their medium, they're people who literally can't hack it in the live action industry.

Just look at the amount of Pixar directors who tried to make a live-action movie, failed, and had to come back to animation. Brad Bird being one of them. Mike Judge seems to be one of the few who can tell a good story regardless of medium and can jump back and forth between the two without an issue.

Have you just not watched a lot of cartoons?

Actually the point people really started to sour was after the R&M April Fools.

>Brad Bird

Nigga, The Incredibles is legitimately the best superhero film ever made. BAR NONE.

I love Incredibles but superhero genre seems to suffer the same problems as animation where it's just always viewed as way more simplistic and basic entertainment than other movies. It's kind of why people blew their fucking lid at Logan.

I still vastly prefer something like Doctor Strange to Black Swan, but I'm going by how the general movie industry views these genres.

>but this makes me wonder if action genre is actually dead for good.

Weisman is single-handedly keeping the genre alive.

>Just look at the amount of Pixar directors who tried to make a live-action movie, failed, and had to come back to animation.

Because they assume that one can apply the same goofy, imaginative or unrealistic flexibilityof animation to live-action, and that isn't the case at all. Shit is and looks stupid.

Also, I'm pretty certain that Rebecca Sugar wanted to enter the animation industry from the get-go. That doesn't mean she's decent at her craft though, as Steven Universe's quick drop into mediocrity is direct proof of this.

Overrated. It's great, amazing soundtrack and atmosphere as well as a pretty adult story and not in a "swearing because it makes us edgy" kind of adult story. But it's not the Magnum Opus Sup Forums likes to preach it as, at least in my opinion.

Weisman is a writer not an animator.

>Yeah, when you compare American animation to anything else done in North America, you can say, "B-but Steven Universe is pretty ambitious!".

>When you compare that to stuff from Europe and Japan, suddenly the bar falls.

Why, one might get the idea that cultural attitudes toward animation are different in those regions of the world than they are in a region of the world that sees animation as either "kiddy shit" or "sleazy adult comedy shit", and the difference in attitudes inform how people treat animation projects in those parts of the world.

But Is the industry worse because people don't respect it, or is it not respected because it's worse?

Because what user said, American animation is pigeon hold into two categories. Kiddie shit or sleazy low brow comedy. Teen themselves go through a phase where they reject a lot of "kiddie shit" sure they might watch anime. But only because anime has a perceived notion of being "maturer" than regular cartoons.

>When you compare that to stuff from Europe
European animation is far, far, FAR worse than American actually. You'd have been much better off only mentioning Japan there.

his style is among the worst of the "stylized" look. even new ppg looks more refreshing.

Original SJ style is one of the best I've seen in any cartoon, only really exceeded by animesque style.

nuSJ is quite a bit worse, though.

>ATLA literally had the exact problem as GF, actually. They both had somewhat lackluster endings. And believe me, people gave it shit when it was running, Back then the 'golden age of cartoons' was a decade earlier too.

Because the golden age was two decades ago. It didn't change. Look at the number and quality of shows being produced over time and there's a gradual decline followed by a sharp drop somewhere around like 2004 to 2005. Once Stuart Snyder took over Cartoon Network and Disney Channel fully embraced it's gender segregated live action focused direction it just consolidated. Throw in that being around the period Nick started to get REALLY bad for the whole TV industry. Once you factor in 2d movies dying at the box office in the same period after having their own decline and the argument is kind of obvious.

20 years ago there was a Disney Renaissance, Cartoon Network was finding it's footing with original programming, Nick was already established itself, and there were still Saturday morning blocks on a respectable number of channels.

But thanks to grants and the way their art industry works, filmmakers can actually strive to make movies like The Illusionist or Persepolis. I don't think studios like Cartoon Saloon or Aardman Pictures would be able to survive in America. I mean, the fact that the only way we CAN get a studio who is allowed to do whatever they want (Laika) has to be owned by a billionaire who treats it like a hobby is kind of telling.

Even if you adore the shit out of Zootopia and I do, they still have to do shit like put in a Shakira song and cameo because it's still a corporation project.

Aardman is literal shit-tier, though. I've seen quite a few of their works, never seen a studio that seems to literally ONLY ever put out garbage.

The change was much more sudden than you make it sound, and it pretty much all happened in 2005 (though obviously not ever show was affected right away).

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The scenery has gone up significantly what the hell are you talking about? Have you been watching season 5 on kisscartoon on 240p or something?

Yup, that one included. Sorry.

The number of pixels has gone up while the number of brain cells activated while drawing it has gone down.

Ted Turner selling his business to AOL Time Warner probably screwed CN.

do you guys think there could ever be a creator owned studio?

I could see something like that fixing a lot of issues people have with western animation

Whatever the hell that means.

You mean making them worse?
Creators are the number 1 problem of the animation industry these days, executives have been bumped down to number 2.

What I mean is that there's far less thought put into it, far less creativity and originality. It's just pretty pictures now, whereas before it was stylized based on certain influences from other works many times.

>What I mean is that there's far less thought put into it, far less creativity and originality.

You're still not making any sense.

No, you're just too stupid.

>Execs forced Craig not to have a story arc with Wander and only allowed him in season 2 after it got canned even though that's when it started to gain in popularity
>The constant schedule butchering for Steven Universe and lack of info passed to the crew which makes it difficult for Sugar to know whether or not she needs to pan out the show for more seasons or if she's allowed to end it in a timely manner all of which kills the pacing of the show overall
>Hirsch ending GF quickly because of Disney's management
>CH Greenblatt going off the deep end because of how the network treated Harvey Beaks

Explain why creators are worse than execs?

Nobody cares about WoY, sorry.
Sugar fucked up SU with her SJW pandering.
Hirsch fucked up GF with Mabel and Wendy.
I barely even know what this show is.

Manchildren/tumblrina fanbases and the excessive pressure to appeal to their show-ruining shipping or waifu/husando needs is problem #3.

Forgot a few buzzwords to really hit your point home there, user.

The only "buzzword" used there was SJW (once), and if that triggers you so much I suggest visiting Tumblr instead of Sup Forums.