Changes Lucas made to the og trilogy

One of the few changes George made to the original trilogy I actually approve. Putting in the actual emperor in empire was a cool idea.

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Most changes were for the better, but he added so many awful CGI shots to A New Hope it just takes you out of the movie

And there are differences between the 1997, 2004 and 2011 versions too

Christ both of those Jabbas look fucking horrible

>Most changes were for the better
t. Non-Star Wars fan

It was a real actor originally, but the entire scene was cut from the initial release
The CGI versions are also different, Han steps over his nonexistent tail by digitally moving him, it looks insanely fake

lower Jabba is trypophobia Jabba

When that alien with the be mouth and lipstick sang.
I wanted to stick my dick in that long mouth.

I'm not allowed to enjoy a movie when I'm not a fan of the franchise?

Red pill me on George and his autism about changing the OT? Why did he do it bros? Why wouldn't he release the originals? He wouldn't even give it to the library of Congress.

Quality strawman, my friend.

the ending song of return of the jedi

That scene added nothing and looked shitty, it didnt need to exist

These movies were rushed out for release, so I understand the whole "directors cut" approach to correct technical issues. However, what I don't get is how adamant Lucas is in regards to not releasing the original versions. If he's so embarrassed about them just release them as a non advertised bonus feature.

To get back at his ex wife

A surprisingly good video explains why many scenes were cut, changed and moved for the original release
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But adding in the jabba scene to ANH isn't correcting a technical issue its a scene that was cut because it has no value.

Most of the changes are not technical issues.

I honestly think this is true. He's mad other people made his movie better and autistically wants to destroy it so he can say it was all him.

Obi-Wan scream (Blu Ray)

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What the fuck was he thinking?

The scene looked shitty, I'll give you that but it established plenty. It adds context to Han's encounter with Greedo, makes Han's decision to fight in the Battle of Yavin that much more meaningful because he is blowing off Jabba, explains why Han wants to flee Hoth and ultimately gets encased in carbonite.

This was not 'the emperor', the original character in TESB was the original emperor.

It was directly after TESB, and when his wife cheated on him and left him, that George Lucas began shitting all over star wars. 1. He made the Wookie planet filled with Ewoks. 2. He made Leia Luke's sister when it was Han who was meant to be his brother (two pilots) and Leia to be Luke's love interest. They only added this twist because the 'twist' with Vader being Luke's father was so popular 3. I also don't think Lando was going to be a part of the story either, probably just Luke, Han and Leia. 4. The emperor was meant to look how he looked in TESB.

> Most changes were for the better

No, the pre-1997 versions were the best versions. ROTJ was 'ok', but it was kind of a cash grab. I think the begining of all the problems were arising in ROTJ.

This scene is not canon imo. Nobody ever even saw this scene until the mid-90's and it adds nothing. The CGI is completely out of place and makes no sense.

He became high on his own fart fumes during the 90's because everyone was claiming he was a towering genius.

The initial edit of Star Wars and the followup edits performed on it drastically changed the flow of the movie for the better. Originally, SW opened with Vader boarding the rebels' vessel intercut with Luke jacking off on Tatooine. Other changes:

>Aforementioned Jaba cut
>Solo was making out with a space slut before Luke & Obi show up
>Luke wasted screen time messing around with his desert friends
>Originally, R2 got the distress call out to Ben after Luke met up with him... THEN Ben told Luke about his father and THEN they practiced with the saber... before finally deciding if they wanted to help Leia.
>Most importantly, during the trench run, originally the Death Star wasn't even engaging the rebels' base. They DS was simply a sitting duck.

See all the changes made here:
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In the end, Lucas is an autist who was never entirely satisfied with the theatrical cut and probably didn't like that so many of his scenes were cut from the film. This is actually one of GL's biggest gripes with Hollywood. His first two movies had 5 minutes cut from them which he viewed as unnecessary. I'm sure he also holds a bit of grudge against his ex-wife who was heavily involved with the editing.

Lando was introduced by Beckett, though, and his character in Beckett's script was far stupider believe it or not

Brackett*, sorry

I would if it actually looked like ROTJ Emperor, it looks too much like the shitty prequel emperor that is all fatty and melted instead of gaunt as a fucking skeleton.

It was one of the few changes that was sensible, but the execution was still bad.
Also, fuck the dialogue changes where Palpatine says that Luke is "THE OFFSPRING OF SKYWALKER", fucking prequel-tier garbage dialogue.

Rather have chimp face than chimp dialogue.

>It was directly after TESB, and when his wife cheated on him and left him, that George Lucas began shitting all over star wars. 1. He made the Wookie planet filled with Ewoks.
According to the Ralph McQuarrie artbook, the wookie planet was originally going to be in Empire. Couldn't find how structure it to be in Empire so they gave the idea for holiday special to used. I imagine the horrible reception if the special made them not put it in Jedi.

>2. He made Leia Luke's sister when it was Han who was meant to be his brother (two pilots) and Leia to be Luke's love interest.

I never heard this one. What i read was that Leia wasn't going to be Luke's sister but Luke did had a sister and she was going be focus of the 80s script of episode 7,8,9. The emperor lives and luke turns to darkside. Basically the story of Dark Empire comic was loosely based in that story script.

I hate how jabba is shown in an early anh scene, it ruins the mystery of the character. If only he was mentioned offhand now and then as a big criminal in the galaxy not to be messed with then we get his big scene in jedi, it would be perfect. Take game of thrones for example, they like to mention characters who don't appear for seasons later but it brings up their reputation when they do finally arrive. Like stannis is mentioned throughout season 1 but you only see him in 2 and onwards, same as Mance, etc.

>trying to distract us from memeing the destruction of Disney, Kathlyn Kennedy and Rian Johnson
NOT FUCKING TODAY YOU PATHETIC MOUSE SHILL

YOU WILL BURN, BURN BURN BURN.
DISNEY = BURNING
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PURIFICATION IS COMMENCING.

The Mouse must pay

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The mouse will pay dearly and absolutely. The cats are out and ready to hunt.

>Posts picture from franchise whose main character is Female Psychic Space Bug Jesus who can do no wrong even when she's killing millions of innocent people for sport while all the characters presented as villains are white men waving Confederate flags around

Only massive nostalgiafags prefer Yub Nub to this
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I hated this one because they changed the line from “Luke Skywalker” to “young Skywalker”. It just doesn’t feel the same.

Most were unnecessary, but some are alright.

At first it was about fixing mistakes like the white stick instead of lightsaber Vader had in one shot.
Then he wanted the movies to work better with the prequels.

I think his last "true vision" has to be the 2004 DVD. The Blu-Ray changes feel like a last middle finger up the biggest fans asses.
But luckily Harmys Despecialized exists and when you don't get it now you only have yourself to blame and not Georgieboy anymore.

i just have a VCR i bought for a $1 and watch the VHS releases.

Aren't those things deteriorating or will very soon?

Not when stored well.

interesting 97 jabba looks better, still shit, but still better

not the actual emperor though...

Thanks to the og human actor, jabba is far too small here

Despecialised exists, you know

what is that

>muh head canon

I liked the scene so kiss my ass.

Basically a 720p fan edit of the original trilogy made to be as close as possible to the theatrical release assembled from laser disks of the originals and edited DVD/blu ray footage.

Getting rid of that hideous Yub Nub trash for the incredible Victory Celebration was one of the best moves George Lucas has ever done.

George has incredibly precise standards and he was never happy with how Episode 4 came out. I know it's hard for people to realize but many creative types are not happy with their work, even when it's well received by everyone.

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>Why did he do it bros?
He did it for the sheckels. George is an uberJew

Pic related: I loved this addition. One of the few I approve of.

The only good edit they made was getting rid of Vader's eyebrows.

1997 is less detailed but somehow fits the scene better. 2004 is just straight awful. Did this scene get a 2011 update too?

>tfw this *is* my nostalgiafag song

This scene is completely unnecessary

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Terrible addition. Completely breaks the tension. Originally all you hear are the growls of the beast and not seeing it until it attacks makes it more shocking. Fucking hell.

There's a film print rip of the original star wars that's about 16gb, I can't recommend it enough.

This scene shouldn't even be in the movie. It's so fucking stupid.

DE uses that one too, at least for color referencing etc

voice guy looks close enough to tesb emperor should have played him in rotj

Star Wars fans will complain about literally anything

She was the one who helped make it so good though.. if they had somehow stayed together, her gentle suggestions of trimming back George's insanity would have made the prequels into the movies we deserve. Lucas fucked up big time.

I'll admit you raise some damn good points and I will have to reconsider my earlier position

At that point it already had Luke, it had already attacked

actually they are fine

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The best change to the OT, period. Debate me. The only people who like Yub Nub are cancerous contrarions and extreme nostalgiafags. It's shit. This is not only better, but some of John Williams' best work in the entire trilogy.

i already owned the VHS's no reason to spend money i don't have to

A lot of the changes were for the better. The only thing wrong is the superfluous CGI in every scene on Tatooine. Jabba cameo, Emperor change, getting rid of Yub Nub? All good decisions by George. Now the Blu-Rays were fucking retarded.

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Dozens of movies a year are "saved by editing." Just because we know more about how it was done for Star Wars, doesn't make it that much more special. And this has nothing to do with the special editions you mongoloids

And it was ruined by young Anakin. It was old Anakin that killed the emperor.

THIS. The changed song actually felt appropriate for the ending of the trilogy. Every time somebody tells me they prefer Yub Nub I want to hit them in the throat.

Young Anakin came long after the first ROTJ special edition. That change was added sometime in 2006-2007 I believe.

best addition in my opinion

yes, that's one that always looked retarded. why wouldn't all the ghosts revert to a younger state? hell, luke wouldn't even recognize a young version of his father, only the old scarred one he removed the helmet from.

Look at how happy everyone looked.

>Debate me
It references the prequels, which is like showing a rape victim a picture of the rapist. It's a horrible thing to do.

not being able to see the beast in the original cut is a little weird though.

> I never heard this one.

I made up the part about Han being the brother...but I'm 100% certain Leia was not going to be his sister. The revealing of Vader as being Luke's father was so profound to fans at that time that I think Lucas wanted to repeat that by doing the whole brother/sister thing. But if anyone was going to be related it probably should have been Han, both Han and Luke are great pilots and Han acts a hell of a lot like an older brother to Luke.

> What i read was that Leia wasn't going to be Luke's sister but Luke did had a sister and she was going be focus of the 80s script of episode 7,8,9. The emperor lives and luke turns to darkside. Basically the story of Dark Empire comic was loosely based in that story script.

Leia was obviously filling the trope of 'princess being held in a castle by bad guy'. It only makes sense that when you save the princess she becomes the protagonists girl. It was just twisted for shock value by Lucas imo. As for Luke having a brother or sister, I think Vader being the father was enough. They shouldn't have gone on with brothers and sisters imo. ROTJ was the beginning of the bad decision making, but the hard hitting bad decisions really began in 1997 reaching a zenith with the clone wars. Selling disney though was probably the biggest dump Lucas ever took on Star Wars though, so I'm not sure.

You only see a screenfilled shot of it's face and it's paw. Cutting away to a full shot of the thing just sitting there eating completely destroys the tension of that scene.

Oh no for once the series tries to show a little consistency in the continuity? The prequels weren't the worst thing ever. It's almost popular now to hate them and most people don't understand why they were disliked in the first place. They aren't good movies by any means but people definitely overreact to their awfulness.

I'd say 75% of the changes to OT be Lucas are things you don't notice or "technical work" that, if the films didn't have today, would make them look like shit. I know there's a ton of strange shit and junk scenes shoved into the films in the special editions, but there's a lot of work that went into modernizing them too. It's kind of ironic when Star Wars fans talk about how well the practical effects from the OT hold up, because most if not all of them have been digitally enhanced in the special editions to remove matte lines and fix defects. If you've ever seen an HD version of the original Star Wars, there's some stuff in it that doesn't just say "well, it looked good at the time", it just looks straight up bad. A lot of the action scenes on the Death Star in ANH replaced practical shots, and while those practical shots did win Star Wars the visual effects Oscar in 1978, the CGI replacements are miles better and actually hold up incredibly well for stuff that was done 20 fucking years ago (the special editions came out in 1997).

Also, there's a ton of minor stuff that was added you'd probably never notice unless you were terminally autistic or read a complete list of changes. For example:

youtube.com/watch?v=cmbl8tLOfFE the original ending to ESB

vs.

youtube.com/watch?v=PxDqEojPK6Q the special edition ending of ESB

You can see just before the music starts and it cuts to Lando in the Falcon the special editions added some extra shots of the Rebel fleet in space.

It's as dumb to say you like it because 'they put the emperor in there' as it is for a brainlet to say they like the new ROTJ ending because Lucas put the REAL Anakin in there. It's not 'head canon'. The version of Star Wars I LIKE, the one released in the 70's and 80's is the one that became popular, it's not 'head canon'. Going back and changing things doesn't negate the original which people liked for over a decade.

Proofs that this is Rendar's ship?

The 1997 special edition had that theme and Sebastian Shaw as Anakin. It wasn't until 2004 that they replaced him with Hayden.

The shots of Coruscant and Naboo and Ghost Hayden came after the special edition. People don't know that the 1997 special editions really weren't terrible.

coruscant was in 97

Shit it was? Naboo definitely wasn't then.

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>Most changes were for the better
No fucking way.

Everything he did made it WORSE.

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>emotional climax to your trilogy
>one of the greatest examples of visual storytelling through editing alone
>literally able to show a character wearing a mask go from villain to hero in 30 seconds
>sonicwaggingfinger.gif
>ruin it
>sell company to Disney
>put clause in contract stating they can't release the original version of the films
>George's face when

This was probably the most horrifying edit they made to Star Wars. shows that Lucas must have been stoned immaculate on his own ass fumes when he made these edits.

>Why wouldn't he release the originals?
Spite.

He had a vision for the films he couldn't complete when he made them, due to various reasons. Later, he found the means to fuck with them, but by then, people were used to, and appreciated, the original films. Out of spite, he changed shit and basically told the original audience to fuck off if they didn't like it, hence the failure to release the originals.

>Everything he did made it WORSE.

This is the same opinion every little contrarian asshole who has watched RLM one time shares. Some of the changes were definitely good.

Yes, it was. I remembered seeing this in the mid 90's thinking to myself "what the fuck am I looking at?" because this CGI planet seemed to have no relation to anything in the previous films. I was subconsciously very nervous because it looked all wrong but I felt that Lucas knew what he was doing and it would be amazing. Holy shit was I wrong. Looking back, these very scenes were the first hint that Lucas was losing it and making really idiotic decisions.

His head canon was THE canon, with a property like Star Wars this has metaphysical and economic significance beyond the average canon.

no idea, but I remember putting the VCR on slo-mo and it looked like the outrider to me

I don't care about the semantics of the word "canon", all that matters imo is that these edits simply put "do not reflect the original star wars that became popular, gave Star Wars a name and which people loved", that goes with the originals. Whatever you want to term it, going back and editing a classic film with such jarring changes, even if it's by the same director, does not mean it should be respected as the originals. It is something else. If they went back and completely changed ET so that he had a cute buzzing CGI fairy on his shoulder the whole time it wouldn't be the same ET people grew up with. And I think that's very significant and in fact has more weight than "canon" which is just about law and ownership rights. Some things have important cultural significance and should not be treated the way lucas treated star wars.

he did it is lovingly referred to as the GOUT

>And I think that's very significant and in fact has more weight than "canon" which is just about law and ownership rights. Some things have important cultural significance and should not be treated the way lucas treated star wars.
The law is what allows Lucas to have this control.

100%
I actually grew up with that version, so when I heard Yub Nub for the first time I was like...what the fuck? Yub Nub robs the ending of the sense of triumph and finality that the other music lends it

The line sort of fits his character.

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