>hyped as fuck
>comes out of nowhere and defeats the new republic and builds an enormous army
>so strong he can force move hux via skype
>m4st3r hax0r of the force
>gets btfo with his eyes closed in the most retarded death ever
is this the most disappointing villain ever?
Fuck off disneyfag
How come nobody cares where Sheev came from in the OT?
Because that's how the series began and him being the master of everything was all the backstory needed. This guy however is invading a long running series and undid everything the previous heroes did years ago, he can't get away with "i just am" like Sheev did
we didn't know anything previous to his rule in the OT, as far as we knew he had always ruled the galaxy, and afterwards we learned how he smartly and deviously rose to power in the sequels, just to be defeated by Leia and her friends, who somehow managed to be btfo by this random and his boytoy general who can't do shit right yet managed to defeat the galatic government and humiliate it
and this big bad motherfucker died in the most ridiculous way ever
Because they explained his story with Darth Plagueis, Darth Tyranus, Darth Maul, etc.... that's enough for a background story.
There are ways to fix this. He could have such powerful rage that he can survive his wounds. Or his spirit still rules the First Order. Maybe the body that was murdered was a clone. That would explain why he looks deformed, whereas his true form isn't flawed. Whatever happens to keep him as the main villain could lead to Kylo being punished for his actions. If JJ wants, he could have Kylo lose a hand maybe some line about it being suitable for one with the traitorous blood of a Skywalker. With that established, the rest of the film could delve into who he is and why he came to rule the First Order.
Nobody ever told us the tale of Darth Plagueis the wise.
The two minutes of him talking were actually great. He was a nothing on the first movie, i really enjoyed him in this one before they shitcanned him immediately.
couldnt he just call the resistance ship and kill them all instantly with the force
This
Because it was the OT, there was no need to explain it immediately because he was the original big bad. Snoke needed explanation because he's been added into a long running series, he doesn't deserve the luxury of being able to have no backstory just because when he's supposed to have gained so much power, so him coming out of nowhere and then dying easily to his apprentice in not even in the final film of the trilogy looks so lackluster.
Because the existence of an Empire suggests an Emperor at the top of it and anyone that has to be the boss to Darth Vader probably has to be even worse then him.
Snoke existing outside the context of the Emperor and the Sith raises a lot of questions as to why the First Order even follows him. Like what, did these Imperial LARPers decide that they needed to put an ad out on the Holonet version of Craiglist for "Evil Space Wizards to tell us what to do"?
No. Rian Johnson is just the shittiest writer ever
that's a pretty shitty clone then, and while he looks different in his hologram form, he's still deformed there
>he could have Kylo lose a hand
how original
this
Think about the story Palpatine told Anakin about Plageuis.
Its literally Nu Pottery
>could bring back from the dead
>told his apprentice
>apprentice kills him in sleep
thats literally the tale.
>Vader never used the force over Skype
Is this the most disappointing shitpost ever?
everyone who compares Snoke coming out of nowhere in the ST and then dying with no explanation, to Sheev's role in the OT, is either a small-souled shitposter or someone who's genuinely retarded.
There were no Star Wars movies or entries in the story before the OT and Sheev. He was there in the beginning as the often mentioned Emperor inherent to the Empire, and meshes well with the fledgling story because he's a fundamental, considered, and original part of it. His entire existence is perfectly well-established. Snoke on the other hand comes out of nowhere as a significant figure in an already deeply established universe in a way that goes against seemingly all common sense and reason, as there was apparently no window for him to appear in the way that he did. He's an OC character they dropped in a multi-decade series with many entries without bothering to even say who or what he was before killing him off. Sheev didn't need a backstory, and he got one anyway, while Snoke needed a backstory and never got one, likely because there's no plausible explanation possible for his existence outside of something Plagueis related as that would mean his existence has already been set up and is relatively justified/logical, but they evidently didn't go that route so it doesn't apply.
Nobody is/was confused by Sheev or his role in the story. Virtually everyone is rightfully confused by Snoke and his role in the story. Sheev made sense in the logic and the confines of the story and didn't come from out of nowhere. Snoke doesn't make sense in the logic and the confines of the story and came from out of nowhere.
At the bare minimum, Sheev's initial backstory is "he's the emperor of the empire", and as there were no movies before the OT, you don't NEED to know more than that. Snoke doesn't have that, as there are plenty of movies set before his on-screen appearance, and there's absolutely no reference to him whatsoever. He just shows up.
That's the difference, you idiot shills.
I actually really like the idea of Snoke being a massive anti-climax as it was a chance to do something actually original with this trilogy.
>Main villain isn't some ultimate evil, just the dude at the top
>Evil organisation just keeps on as usual
>Subverts 3 act structure and have villains at their lowest point
>Mirror of New Republic being destroyed in 7
>All the old blood is dead, ravaged factions are now being lead by the new guys
Then you get an Episode 9 with factions splintering off, uneasy alliances, betrayals etc. There's got to be force shit in there too so that can be expanded as well. Plus things can be left open enough for a 'return' of the First Order or something.
Instead the movie was written by the unholy marriage of a boardroom and a gibbering retard. Kylo Ren leads the First Order because he has the red lightsaber, and 9 will be 2 hours of filler before he inevitably gets curbstomped by Rey.
>and 9 will be 2 hours of filler before he inevitably gets curbstomped by Rey.
Boy that inevitable duel seems so weightless right now i can barely believe it
A military villain instead of a space wizard or a emo teen sith would actually be pretty good and original.
Disney act like they made something original, but it's the same old shit, except nothing makes sense and they ruined 90% of the characters with the exception of Kylo and maybe Poe I guess.
>so strong he can force move hux via skype
TCW did this already across the galaxy
more so it was against Dooku
>force move Hux via Skype
Lmaod
What, you mean you're not excited to see two characters with literally zero character motivation and no reason to fight have an """epic""" battle?
>A military villain
The worst part is that they've even got the fucking base for that with Hux and they threw it away
>Laughing stock in 7
>Scorned failure desperate to redeem himself in 8
>Takes over bulk of First Order and becomes legitimate threat in 9
Pretty sure that's far too close to a character arc though, and we know those aren't allowed.
Thrawn would be too difficult for the new directors of Star Wars to write. Thrawn's draw is that he is actually competent. Notice that the First Order lost EVERY engagement it ever entered in TLJ. Even when attacking 30 people when the FO was armed with 15 skyscrapper-sized walkers, a massive super cannon, and tens of thousands of troops in space, they somehow lost. Even with a full fleet, they are unable to destroy one rundown cruiser over the course of an hour of screen time.
If Thrawn is the enemy, this will not happen. Thrawn would have killed the Rebellion in the opening scene of the movie.
Superior get, user we obey.
The first movies focused on the Jedi, and it's not a story the Jedi would tell you.
The better question is why do soywars fanboys always come up with obviously stupid arguments/Justifications to deflect criticism like you are now? Theres a hundred posts like this on Sup Forums Right now and theyve all been BTFO instantly because of how dumb or irrelevant they are