Movie/show takes place in Medieaval Europe

>movie/show takes place in Medieaval Europe
>there are massive lands without trees

>it's a movie-about-spaceships where people operate in a clear, militaristic chain of command and the chain of command is openly flouted and orders are defied yet the insubordinate ultimately gets to keep their job episode

If it's set on Madeira Island they could get away with it since that shit was all torched in a couple of years.

>Imagine hating on NuWars on an unrelated thread.

Embarrassing.

idk about madeira but continental europe was a massive forest from portugal to russia until ~1400

>its a movie/tv show about space ships and enlisted personnel dont exist, everyone is an officer and the bridge is entirely manned by liutenants.
>The skipper sits in a chair in the middle looking at space through a big windshield
>no one stands watch, somehow the entire cast of officers goes to bed and wakes up for the same shifts or never sleep.
>the one time a master chief is shown, he's a bumbling old oaf and the 21 year old lt does his job for him.

name 6 movies

>he doesn't realize that this is actually a very-well established and very stupid trope with multiple examples in Star Wars, Star Trek (including of course the Abrams flick there as well, and the and the general, multiple-movie-arc insubordination which the Enterprise crew undertook in order to revive Spock), I bet someone can come up with examples in Battlestar Galactica and other tv shows, and in Alien Ash defies Ripley, oh yeah and in Aliens the squad (understandably in their case) opens fire with their conventional arms in open defiance of the arms confiscation which had just taken place

>he thinks that the latest iteration is the only one meant
>he is a brainlet

NuWars encompasses all 8 films for me. Your point?

anything star trek or spinoff variety
newer alien movies ship crew

Yea I know that's why I said the only place they might get away with it was if they set a movie/TV series there which will never happen anyway

>slavic poster learns something for once in his life
>uses it to bitch online about how unrealistic some piece of fiction

>continental europe was a massive forest from portugal to russia until ~1400

What about farmlands?

Star Trek TNG onwards clearly has duty shifts (Data usually stood night watch). It's unclear how you get non commissioned crew though as O'Brian is basically the only one that shows up.

You seem to have strengthened my argument with this post of yours, no matter which way one chooses to read your post.

Stsr trek was just made by dumb leftist draft dodgers, so its no wonder they got so much shit wrong, along with the general theme of the show being space communists on "peace" missions.

The view screen is clearly not meant to be an actual window in any real star trek show (looking at you STD...) although the bridge in TNG is clearly near the outer hull which doesn't make sense from a combat perspective.

They have three shifts normally on the Enterprise D although Jellicho moved them to four for his command. The main crew is all on the same shift. I can't speak to the sensibility of that (I have no naval experience or much knowledge of that branch of service) but it's fairly internally consistent.

O'Brien is never really portrayed as incompetent maybe just redundant during his service on the Enterprise. He's elevated to miracle worker once he gets to DS9 as is trek tradition.

So really only the first point applies. Honestly in a post scarcity society I don't know why you would have non-comms. Everyone should have the means to go to the academy and become an ensign if they want to and have the aptitude, and I would assume their standards would be just as high for either pathway. I think I remember O'Brien saying he just wanted to get out there sooner or something but it's fuzzy...

This was meant for

It doesnt make any sense for the crew to be all awake at the same time every day. Shifts change. It also makes no sense for the XO and CO to both be awake just talking shit to each other. One should be sleeping.

No, a commie world does not make enlisted non essential. See Soviet Russia. You have a very bad idea of what Enlisted is. Those ranks are material system experts in the Navy. That means repairing and operating 99% of the equipment and keeping the ship running. It also includes operating all the equipment in a small bridge like in the enterprise. It also means piloting it on helms and planes, since the ship moves on a 3D axis like a submarine does.

Line officers receive a comission and are educated in the art and science of military strategy relating to their vessel. They manage the enlisted, through which technical and specialized equipment and operation is abstracted. First term Junior officers that arent tasked with that, would just be pencil pushers and managing a division. Second term officers would be doing things like being the assigned navigator (with enlisted quartermasters standing watches), operations officers (with enlisted operation specialists or associated rates working the floor), engineering officer, and so on if you get the idea. Third sea duty screen for XO, fourth for CO or get stuck in a desk job never making it past Ltcdr.

There is also no reason to not have at the very least, a master chief operating as chief of the boat and being the enlisted advisor to the CO. That is an essential role in every naval vessel.

The entire star trek military structure and handling of the star fleet is just cartoonish.

The view screen is also useless and doesnt serve any tactical purpose. Its best replaced with a radar display so distance, range and bearing can be properly determined on sight.

cool thanks for the insights

The main crew being on separate shifts for redundancy makes sense but would probably make horrible television.

(They're not actually communists they're just post scarcity because of fusion and replicator magic. The federation doesn't tell you if you can run your restaurant and what you should serve or what you should study. They still seem to be pretty big on self determination and individual liberty so maybe they're libertarian socialists?)

Does the current purpose of enlisted ranks translate well to future tech? It sounds like most of the engineering department would fall under that umbrella, but in star trek that's pretty tightly coupled with high energy particle physics.

Since Starfleet is more than purely a military organization it seems somewhat sensible that the research and diplomatic branches would mostly be staffed by officers but those aren't really the primary focus of the show. So I guess it is weird that we see only officers all the time.

I never thought the structure of Starfleet really made that much sense, but your grievances make a lot more sense to me now.

When in medieval europe?