Films hated by manchildren but are actually good

Films hated by manchildren but are actually good

People will goto every Star Wars movie and expect it to be just like A New Hope for some reason.

Like Stranger Things is in theaters....

It's not even a film.

It's a two and half hour infomercial about the danger of diversity hires in the workplace.

batemahn va supahmahn

best sw film since empire

NORMIES GETS OUTS!!!
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

One character had pink hair. That's literally it.

>are actually good
still waiting for someone to tell me what makes it good.

And she's responsible for a mutiny and hundreds of deaths because she doesn't understand how leadership and chain of command are supposed to work.

Let's not forget the fat Asian who is directly responsible for the final resistance being breached because she was wet for the black guy trying to actually be a hero.

What was good about it? The YA tier conflicted relationships or the SNL tier Marvel brand quiping?

-Audiovisually a true Star Wars film that embarrasses previous Disney films and prequels

-Kylo's troubled relation to Rey, Luke and the dark side

-Kylo's ascension to power

-The battle in Snoke's throne room that climaxes in rebel flag ship ramming them

-Actually acknowledges and respects the prequels unlike TFA

-The battle on Crait, extended and sells you the idea that the Resistance are in a tight spot

-Adds more world building

-Luke being a broken hero that learns to take responsibility for his actions. The ending reveals Luke's new plan to stop Kylo. One more adhering to the Jedi code.

-Actual drama and tension within the Resistance. Not just a singular unit against another singular unit. Same internal conflict is portrayed with The First Order

-The mysteries of TFA finished in an unexpected yet thematically relevant matter. Doesn't shroud itself in needless mysteries that TFA committed

-Is it's own story. Finally decides to push Star Wars forward and stop having it revel in its own OT nostalgia. Another sin of TFA.

-Humor while overplayed often makes more sense in context. Poe stalling for time. Leia playing with C3PO. Luke showing Rey he's a hermit now and not the hero she expected.

...

>embraces prequels
Fucking where?

TLJ succeeded in bringing morally gray storytelling to Star Wars where the prequels failed. Kylo Ren is justified if a bit misguided in his anger towards everyone while Anakin was just a whiny brat.

Agree with all this. I kind of wish the story was a bit more grand and took place over a longer period of time, but what it was able to do was good. The story is not over yet too, so I hope in Episode IX they can tie up all the loose ends and make the good guys the heroes they're supposed to be and the bad guys the threats they're supposed to be. I didn't even mind the humor when it had a purpose either, but when it was just silly stuff it did get kind of tiresome.

>-Audiovisually a true Star Wars film that embarrasses previous Disney films and prequels
TFA looked good too. Pretty lights don't a good movie make

>-Kylo's troubled relation to Rey, Luke and the dark side
All began because an extreme act of mischaracterization

>-Kylo's ascension to power
Power over what? Total fucking jobbers.

>-The battle in Snoke's throne room that climaxes in rebel flag ship ramming them
An act that ruins previous and future space battles. Oh, doesn't help that Holdo didn't share that tidbit before. Would've helped them in the long run.

>-Actually acknowledges and respects the prequels unlike TFA
Acknowledging better movies doesn't retroactively make this movie better.
>-The battle on Crait, extended and sells you the idea that the Resistance are in a tight spot
All of that can be avoided if characters didn't act fuck all retarded. Aka, Rose, Holdo.
>-Adds more world building
Fuck no. If anything, this shrinks the universe and story potential.

>-Luke being a broken hero that learns to take responsibility for his actions. The ending reveals Luke's new plan to stop Kylo. One more adhering to the Jedi code.
Luke's entire arc started with awful set up, which devalues any arc he may have had.

>-Actual drama and tension within the Resistance. Not just a singular unit against another singular unit. Same internal conflict is portrayed with The First Order
Plot induced stupidity is not drama. It's plot induced stupidity.

>-The mysteries of TFA finished in an unexpected yet thematically relevant matter. Doesn't shroud itself in needless mysteries that TFA committed
No it doesn't. Rey is now a literal Mary Sue, Poe is useless and Finn is useless. Every character set up is a shell


For the last 2 points, humor is fine if placed properly. The problem is that it was poorly placed and killed tension. And no, it did not push Star Wars forward. All it did was disregard what came before to lazily tie up its narrative.

>stop having it revel in its own OT nostalgia

lololol

Its basically Empire with some ROTJ thrown in, it borrows from the OT as much as TFA does

>so I hope in Episode IX they can tie up all the loose ends

>This is the defense of Soywars fans since TFA

>Pushes Star Wars forwards?

I'm sorry, but people hailing this movie as challenging, subversive or that it's pushing Star Wars in a different direction are vapid idiots.

The movie ends with absolutely no subversion to the underlying conflict--yes, fan theories about Snoke and Rey are brushed aside, but the entire first act, centred on disillusionment with the Jedi and with heroes like Luke, evaporates after Snoke's death. What we're left with is a nice tidy consolidation of all characters on Team Bad or Team Good. Luke does a 180 and proudly proclaims he is NOT the Last Jedi™, Kylo, despite all his apparent "conflict," becomes just another Supreme Leader of the Evil Empire, and Rey, despite early hints at her connection to the dark side, goes dutifully through the good guy decisions.

The only conflict left is Jedi and the Resistance fighting Dark Jedi and the Empire--but maybe we can redeem the Dark Jedi! Only somebody completely empty-headed would call that a "subversive", “challenging” or a "different" development for Star Wars.

TFA was too much of a rehash, while TLJ did a lot of things they thought would be new and daring, Episode IX has to have a good mix of old and new and reach a satisfying conclusion. If it doesn't, I'm willing to admit that it's no better than the prequels.

>TLJ did a lot of things they thought would be new and daring
I guess if the media says this enough times, normies start to internalize it even though it has no substance. TLJ is just ESB and RoTJ.
Luke is exiles on AchTo
Rey meets him and wants him to train her
Luke refuses like Yoda did at first doubting his to be pupil
Empire is going around chasing the rebels like they were chasing the crew in ESB.
Rey leaves Luke before completing training to rescue friends.
Gets BTFO by the big bad like Luke gets BTFO by Vader
Finn goes to not-cloud city
Porgs are ewoks
Luke force ghosts himself like Yoda
Kylo overthrows Snoke like Vader does the Emperor in RoTJ
Final battle is on not-hoth where the FO uses not-ATATs and literal ATATs overrunning the rebels

To be fair there are elements that are new but read through this list and it's easy to see how they used a lot of the same ideas from ESB and RoTJ.

There's similarities because of poetry, but it still wasn't as rehashed as TFA was. Jakku was just not-Tatooine, while "not-Hoth" looked like it was snowy, but it was actually salt.

>Kylo's troubled relation to Rey, Luke and the dark side
>Kylo's ascension to power
this is boring because they don't commit to anything with it. and unless it's used a character development device, I really don't care about kylo ascension. Darth Vader was an established villain and it work better that way because they're just tv show teasing us with the will he or won't he kylo. I don't care enough about to be bothered about it.

>Adds more world building
lol what? the prequels and rogue had way more world building. unless you're including not-tattoine, I mean Jakku and not-hoth or Crait as world building.
the only thing that seemed new was the ireland island

>Is it's own story.
a very lackluser one.
>Finally decides to push Star Wars forward
Where and how?
>and stop having it revel in its own OT nostalgia
lol

>Humor while overplayed often makes more sense in context. Poe stalling for time. Leia playing with C3PO. Luke showing Rey he's a hermit now and not the hero she expected.
the humor was terrible and always felt out of place but if that was the only sin this film committed I could have let it slide

>but it was actually salt
Yeah that's not gonna fly. They even had not AT-ATs battling speeders. It's a rehash of Hoth.

How? The battle plays out completely differently. If anything the "it's salt" comment is there to point out the similarities are only skin deep

>TLJ is just ESB and RoTJ
without any of the thing that made those films great.

Retards that think being a contrarian makes them seem smart

I'll start: OP

tlj is pleb filter

The Salt comment is there so that you and Disney can go...but no it's not actually Hoth when you have a white planet with a rebel base built into the rock and AT-ATs baring down. The similarities aren't skin deep, they are blatant and intended.

So we'll hate him. Because he can take it. Because he's not our hero. He's a silent guardian. A watchful director. A dark knight.

Except I know plenty of old normies that called it shit.

My 50 yr old father hated it and asked what the fuck was that casino shit in the movie on the phone.

After TFA they knew JJ didn't have a plan for the mess he made so they decided to temporarily piss everyone off by doing things nobody would've even though of because it's building to Episode IX which will be one of the best Stare Wars movies ever created.

REEEE, WHERE WAS MY FAN SERVICE, I SPENT HOURS MAKING SPECULATION THREADS AND NONE OF THEM CAME TRUEEE

>strawman
Nice try Rian. Time to go to bed.

Yes but only because Cristopher "feeds on brainlet tears" Terrio is writing.

fuck off

It’s ok kids. Star Wars is just moving on and it’s leaving you behind. It’s alright if you don’t like it anymore. It doesn’t need you to be a success. You were never that great of a friend. You were always overly critical and constantly demanding. Star Wars is moving on to a new generation. You’re getting old and bitter and no one wants to be around you anymore.

To be honest with you the new generation doesn't really care about Star Wars. Star Wars has relied on nostalgia and passed down through generations. Kids these days have plenty of sci fi or sci fi elements in action movies that are more of their generation. Star Wars has a lot more to compete with and doing this pussyfooting afraid to actually do anything new and trying to pander to nostalgia while getting it so wrong isn't going to appeal to a new generation. The new toys don't sell well. When Disney relauched Star Wars they tried hard to stray away from the PT but by doing so they are setting themselves up for failure if they want a new generation of kids to be interested. What incentive does a kids growing up now have to buy a Resistance X-Wing over a Rebel X-Wing? There's nothing novel to it or distinguishable and by this point in time, designs from the OT have been copied by dozens of franchises that they aren't special or cool looking. How are you going to sell kids spaceship design that are stuck in the 80s when you have cool ships from Guardians of the Galaxy?

-Audiovisually a true Star Wars film that embarrasses previous Disney films and prequels

By that you mean spastic Disney camera, derivative designs, continuing absence of visually new vistas, and the worst soundtrack of all SW movies.

-Kylo's troubled relation to Rey, Luke and the dark side

Sitcom-tier bullshit that still haven't made clear why we should care about this rabid dog.

-Kylo's ascension to power

"Hurr, I stabbed the man in charge, therefore I'm now in charge".

-The battle in Snoke's throne room

Literally Power Rangers-tier "choreography".

>that climaxes in rebel flag ship ramming them

And shitting on the whole setting for the sake of one cool moment.

-Actually acknowledges and respects the prequels unlike TFA

It doesn't.


-The battle on Crait, extended and sells you the idea that the Resistance are in a tight spot

It's battle of Hoth, except made shit, and only an idiot would think that selling the idea already hammered for two hours was necessary.

-Adds more world building

World destruction, you surely mean.

-Luke being a broken hero that learns to take responsibility for his actions.

"Let's make our iconic character unlearn the thing he always knew, because we hate him with bilious hatred, and then pretend it is a character arc!"

-Actual drama and tension within the Resistance.

Nobody gives a shit because they are just non-characters nobody gives a shit about showing us how petty and incompetent they are.

-The mysteries of TFA finished in an unexpected yet thematically relevant matter.

You mean, ignored.

-Is it's own story.

It's Episode V, with the throne room sequence of VI thrown in, and some filler that means diddly squat for the plot added.

-Humor while overplayed often makes more sense in context.

It never does.

>TLJ succeeded in bringing morally gray storytelling to Star Wars where the prequels failed.

Prequels never intended that in the slightest.

And what you're saying, TLJ was what finally managed to destroy the foundation of of Star Wars.

You shills are desperate as fuck, it's pretty sad to watch defend this absolute piece of shit all day every day

I know he wrote Argo, but he also wrote BvS and fucking Justice League.
Even tho I don't know how much his script got overwritten through Snyders and Whedons "artistic vision".

That explains the 69% drop and the 51% audience score

Films with a casino scene for no reason which breaks the immersion with cringe bullshit that should be in a Marvel capefag vomitfest.

FIGHT ME

>pic not related

that B plot had so much potential to be interesting but it literally accomplished nothing and more bad than good came of it

Also how did the Finn and ching chong ding long know about the escaping fleet ships and when did they tell HACKERMAN about it?

>thread started by faggot because he's mad at all the Star Wars threads being made
Making another will totally make this stop. Good job.

>morally gray storytelling
this is the antithesis of star wars
>where the prequels failed.
they didn't try it

>renders the entire prophecy and the chosen one pointless
>Actually acknowledges and respects the prequels

bruh...

How so?

the its salt comment is referencing pissed off fanboys