Which caused the biggest shitstorm?

Which caused the biggest shitstorm?

Batman V Superman pretty much fucked over DC’s entire universe because it “ruined” their two biggest characters in a lot of people’s minds. The mistakes of Last Jedi can easily be moved past because Rey and Kylo are still fine, Luke is dead, Holdo is dead, they can ignore Rose (if they’re smart), and I guess Snoke never mattered anyway.

What's the point of movie past Last Jedi? The Jedi died out without training the new bitch for more than a few hours, they trashed the entire OT by having everything amount to nothing and Luke become a coward baby killer, and the entire resistance is dead. There's really nothing left to make a movie out of.

Batman VS Superman was worst. Stars Wars has more bad movies then good ones before TLJ was released so don't know why people even had high expectations in the first place.

bvs but that's what made it so damn kino

BvS was the worse movie, but the tragedy is that it could have been good with a competent director and writers.

TLJ was shit but there was no avoiding it.

Can someone explain what so bad about BvS? i dont really follow comic and all, i mean, i mean them fighting and all was pretty retarded with some plot holes and shit, but i liked the movie in general, what was so bad about it?

TLJ is literally plot hole the movie and is biggest joke ever though

No quips

No SJW pandering

Dares to make fun of clickbait media

>portrays the media as it is, money-hungry leeches always trying to make a negative spin on anything
>Jewish god-hating atheist is the main villain
>2 white leads
>Positive depiction of masculinity
>No stupid quips
>Christian inspired final act
The critics were already out for this film and Snyder

It also weaves in the MoS criticism into its narrative and royally debunks it straight in the face of critics. Snyder was playing with fire.

>No quips
>No SJW pandering
LOL
The fucking gall of these Sup Forums scum

BvS and MoS fans were ahead of the curve with soyboy critics.

Sup Forumscksucker go

SHE WITH YOU?

white leads
Stop infidel

smoke?

>>Positive depiction of masculinity
Does positive masculinity mean negative femininity?

BvS has been discussed since its release. Tlj will be forgotten a week after its bluray.

>BvS has been discussed
by retards on this board

Literally obsessed

?

You

Obsessed

With BvS

Get it now you retarded shitskin?

I'm not the one typing up essays about how saying Martha is actually some kind of Nietzschean subtext about the duality of man.

Well let's see

One is lived by critics, audiences, and everyone who isn't a basement dwelling loser who wastes his time on the Internet

And the other is hated by critics, audiences and everyone and has killed an entire comic book company while causing a major motion picture studio to lose millions

You are the one desperate one to reply every time someone does though. Literal mental illness. Like a mad little shit in the corner who keeps butting in to make sure the rest knows he's alive.

Batman v Superman was interesting and polarizing enough that people are still talking about it two years later even though the DCEU is officially dead
TLJ will be forgotten about in four months, like every single Disney release in the past 20 years, even if it causes the death of Disney's Marvel Studios Presents A Star Wars Cinematic Universe because they're so by-the-book and fucking boring

>You are the one desperate one
You are the one who's so mad he can't even type a proper sentence. How's that infographic about Superman being Jesus coming along?

>You are the one desperate one to reply every time someone does though. Literal mental illness.
>posts nth thread about a children's movie

>DCEU is officially dead
As if we could ever be that lucky

The bought media is damage controlling TLJ like mad. So of course BvS. That one had zero allies in the media.

It wasn't interesting though. Not at all. Being remembered isn't instantly a badge of honor.

The future will be all Marvel, regardless of brand. Prepare for more poop quips and Thanos ads as the assembly line continues for another 20 years like a tumor that just won't go away.

>Which caused the biggest shitstorm?

It's hard to say. WB did a spectacular mismanagement on JL. It's jarring really from a corporate perspective. Paramount's Operation Mustache will be remembered for a long fucking time.
But TLJ on another hand has managed to anger the entire SW fanbase, which is quite an achievement in a post prequels era.

I think WB is actually in a better position to fix the DCEU than Disney is with fixing SW. They are more flexible, they have more room to adjust than Disney. Therefore Disney has a lot more shitstorms just waiting to happen, beginning with Young Solo. Plus SW fans are much more autistic than comicbookfags. Disney never had to manage a fanbase like this one, it's completely uncharted territory for them. Marvelfags are fucking wonderful compared to SW fans. SW fans have alienated Lucas himself I mean. They are a ferocious bunch when it comes to hating.

Marvelfags will literally suck Kevin Feige's dick just to show him their gratitude. As bad as Star Wars can be, atleast its fans aren't brain dead zombies like Marvelfags.

>is the only "serious" superhero movie to come out in the 21st century
>is the only well-shot superhero movie to come out since HULK
>explores the media frenzy and its impact on reinforcing individual views
>shits on comicfags
>has the single best batman put to screen
>batman fucking knocks out superman with a sink in a WWE megabrawl
>revealed that critics are for the most part either intentionally misunderstanding explicit character motivations and plot OR are actually retarded
>imagery has dozens of little details to continually dissect
>autists still finding myth and biblical and political parallels
>even detractors can't stop coming back to it to the point it overshadows the MCU
>even triggers Hillary supporters for some reason years after its release

I challenge you to find any marvelfag who is against Feige. For each one you find, I will find you a hundred swdrones who are literally willing to spit on Lucas's grave.
Both fanbases are braindead, but make no mistake SW fans are worse and by far.

I agree with all your points except

>shits on comicsfags
This is the Alex Ross Superman in motion here. Snyder isn't taking a step away from comics. In fact he took a step closer to the comics that actually mattered. The comicsfags that hate it are the manchildren ones who can't accept a character like Superman has gone through countless interpretations in comics, films, games and TV shows. I think it's unfair to accuse Snyder of not adhering to comics when both MCU and previous directors have gotten away with far far worse.

>>is the only "serious" superhero movie to come out in the 21st century
Did you conveniently forget Nolan's trilogy?

BvS has garnered fascinating observations. TLJ is just a giant joke. All there is to do is watch the media freak the fuck out.

Nolan isn't capable of being serious
He shies away from humanity and actual moral complexity to fixate on destruction
His stuff is "serious" in the same way something like Elfen Leide or other trash anime is "serious": Because it's "dark" and "violent"
Otherwise it's just as mindless and badly-made as the MCU

>and actual moral complexity to fixate on destruction
Who are you talking about?

batman and superman is a good movie. The reaction was overblown. It has no major flaws, only very minor stuff that can be argued

it wouldn't surprise me if the movie was acttually targeted by marketers or whatever

Based Snyder

TLJ, Warner can reboot the entire DC universe when they want but Disney can't do that with Star Wars

yes sure, I'll summarise the main criticisms to bvs:

>NOT MUH SUPERMAN
>NOT MUH BATMAN
>MUH MARTHA SCENE

the reaction to bvs was overblown and mostly nerd histeria. I have a nerd friend who hated it and when he criticizes it he goes absolutely histeric like a woman.

TLJ because it's the prequels but worse, plus all the damage control.

BvS already had DC in a negative light in the public eye due to MoS.

you know what I would have loved? If Snyder answered to the "MUH COLLATERAL DAMAGE" criticism (one of the must stupid criticisms I have ever read) with a Justice League movie where luthor or Darkseid mind controlled clark to level an entire city killing hundreds of thousands

BvS was a bad movie but it was ambitious and it was fun to discuss. TLJ is shit but also boring to talk about, once the movie is out of theaters and the shills are gone, it will be forgotten

the retards who still snark about "MUH MARTHA" or "NOT MUH BATMAN" or some shit?

Disney should hire Snyder to make a star wars trilogy.
BOOM! PROBLEMS SOLVED!

BvS
normies didn't give a shit about the controversy surrounding TFA

bitch

Tell him he is a fake nerd ignorant to both cinema and comic books.

I swear it's always the nerd posers who hate this film the most. The ones who are only in on it to be part of a "group" so they exhibit some type of taste to make them feel superior to other people. And they are far worse than normal movie goers because a normal movie goer doesn't pretend his opinions are law. These type of 21th century fake nerds absolutely do. They subscribe to RLM, follow /r/Movies and will mindlessly copypaste one others TOP 10 BEST FILMS EVER. I'm disgusted.

'twould be epic

Clearly TLJ because the Disney owned media is trying to defend it against literally everybody. TLJ is the Hillary of movies. BvS was attacked by everybody and it was defended by only a few people

I'm talking about Nolan, who outright admits he doesn't really care about character and wants to make spectacle. He's obsessed with violence and destruction but shies away from the consequences. He'll blow up a hospital that kills no one, he'll show sterilized mass murder without a second thought, but doesn't give it a moment of reflection or impact in his story. Comparing that to Man of Steel, like you are, really shows the difference in how the violent spectacle is handled. In Snyder's universe, it's the 9/11 of that earth, it challenges the sensibilities and the mindset of the entire planet and is used as the core reason for everything else in the DCEU happening. Nolan will blow up a building or a football stadium for no reason than "spectacle" without tying it to the stories or characters. He's the essence of the mindless violence of the 21st century mode of blockbusters. The difference is he's """""serious""""" so pseuds and people who haven't seen that many movies pucker up to him.

Yeah and it would have tied nicely with Bruce lines in bvs and the nightmare sequences. It would have also replied to the conflicted superman critcisim (the second most retarded criticism ever) with Clark being even more depressed and conflicted afterwards (but still deciding to be a hero and ultimately delivering the kryptonite ring to Bruce like in the comics)

Oh my God how I would have loved it

I know Sup Forums loves being contrarian and all, but I watched BvS less than a week ago expecting a shitty, tryhard film but I actually enjoyed it. I don't watch much capeshit (almost none actually) and I thought it was a pretty decent superhero movie. It was just boring in parts and the fight was underwhelming but on the whole it was a solid 7/10 flick. And that's a high mark for me.

BvS was a brilliant adaptation of the comic books. It was the dark knight returns but taken to the logical consquences- in that comic book batman used extreme amounts of force, he used explosives tanks guns and heavy machine guns- it makes sense if someone ends up dead. In the movie bruce never kills in cold blood, it's just some deadly mercenaries that get wasted in the heat of the moment. He is still trying to incapacitate them for the most part.

I don't think bvs is hated by film fans on this board, the extreme hate comes from partisan nerd fan boys

7/10 is a fair assesment; for me personally it's a 9/10 because I read the best batman\superman comic books and I found it a brilliant adaptation of those, while ignoring the most childish and retarded parts

I blame the nolan fags. They wanted more gritty realism bat when these movies have always been goofy bullshit.

Nah I blame the new generation of soyboys created by Whedon's Avengers. It's like the entire genre became a stupid cartoon comedy after that.

>created by Whedon's Avengers
I blame 80s commercial movies
The complete lack of aesthetic focus or style outside of auteurs like De Palma, Scorsese, Boorman and a few other people basically formed the basis of the 30-40yr old demographic that makes up a giant percentage of the people who see these movies. Like the 80s were when the switch from filmmakers still using the aesthetic to create an atmosphere and tell the story to dialogue focus. Like every mainstream movie started looking identical in the 80s and now you can't differentiate the blockbusters from eachother.

poorly written long winded story where character motivations are flimsy and uncompelling. murderman has no real reason to fight batman, ideologically or emotionally. couple that with lex Zuckerberg and the shitty doomsday cgi fest no one asked for and you have an overcooked underseasoned caca of a movie.

TLJ's creative decisions are interesting from a screenwriting standpoint but at the cost of undoing the internal logic of the SW universe. also lots of hamfisted SJW shit (and I say this as a liberal)

in the end BvS is worse because at least TLJ manages to be entertaining every so often while the batman fight scene in BvS is basically the only good part in the whole movie

>murderman has no real reason to fight batman, ideologically or emotionally
>t. ignored the entire first two thirds of the movie

>poorly written long winded story where character motivations are flimsy and uncompelling

no

>>murderman has no real reason to fight batman, ideologically or emotionally.

no

>couple that with lex Zuckerberg

lex zuckerber best decision for the character

> and the shitty doomsday cgi fest no one asked for and you have an overcooked underseasoned caca of a movie.

it was unnecessary but not that bad

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you might not like it, but this is what peak capekino looks like

Why would Disney want their movies to feel grand and mythic?

Maybe not Disney but both Rian and JJ are inspired by Snyder. Rian reused his shots, JJ hired his writer. It's like they really want Snyder but don't want the media shitstorm that would follow it.

JewJew needs to nab Fong

>it's like they wanted to be Snyder but don't have any of the talent or invention to do so so they just blandly copy his shots and call it theirs
fix'd

desu to me gadot looks like the ww from the comics. I'm not saying her acting is perfect i just think she looks like how i imagined ww

Yeah whoever he used for TFA was dry as fuck. Atleast Rian know how to shoot a visually competent film. TFA just looks cheap.

this scene wasn't in the movie or the deluxe edition, right?

BvS was alright except everything Luthor being disaster and the Martha thing

No

Comparing detractors of BvS and detractors of TLJ makes for a sublime, perfect delineation of brainlets and functional humans

Brainlets froth against BvS because it dares try something new and insightful with characters in their 3rd cinematic reboot and uses this grounded framing to explore how we relate to these characters and how they reflect our own societal wishes, aspirations, and fears

Functional human beings loathe TLJ because it is a discontinuous direct sequel wherein established characters shed all of their previous development and regress for the sake of contrived, badly written and badly conveyed tripe that ignores major plot points and outright fundamentals of the setting while careening through hokey quipfest subplots that lead nowhere in the service of setting up a few unearned and nonsensical “gotchas”

Honestly, I find it hard to respect anyone who has so little intelligence that they think TLJ has any meaning or genuine thematic weight beneath its layers of plodding, contrived plotting

This literally is not a quip, it’s contextual humor arising from a believable exchange of in-character dialogue

Do you... Do you not know what a quip is? You’re on the internet; Google is your friend

>Atleast Rian know how to shoot a visually competent film
There are exactly two good looking shots in the movie that aren't direct copies
Everything else is shot in a turbobland flat style
The Casino in particular was a fucking abomination in how it was shot
They could have and absolutely should have done a flamboyant Scorsese/De Palma casino sequence to really nail down how """"""corrupt""""""" and excessive the oligarchs there were with stylized shots and gaudy lighting, instead he shot it like a fucking stageplay
Rian should stick to his small pseudo-noir movies

>is the only well-shot superhero movie to come out since HULK
This. Gorgeous film

Don't forget the pointless abomination that was Rose

Is there even a cinegrid of any of the marvel movies or nu-Star Wars or is it only because autists like me and others make them that there are none

Hulk 2003 is so underrated.

While we are talking about the shitstorm... Meet our new trash fire:

It honestly is one of the weakest, most Low-IQ-revealing “criticisms” of all time

Made worse by the fact that TFA blew up 50 billion lives on four planets and was back to quipping inside of 2 minutes

Bullshit, you shut-in

I feel like people didn't care so much about Batman v Superman. Those characters have a strong place in culture like Star Wars, but unlike Star Wars, they have the option of full reboots. They've exercised that option so many times in recent years that I feel the general public is aware of this. Batman isn't ruined FOREVER. Superman isn't ruined FOR THE REST OF TIME. The audience just doesn't feel like it's that big of a deal imo. I feel like the general public's reaction to a bad superhero movie is to just shrug and move on to the next one. And they've always got Marvel to turn toward for reliable and predictable entertainment.

Star Wars in the other hand makes such a big deal out of itself with how they act like they're prestige movies to pander to the fanbase and how big of a deal it is to figure out what's canon and what isn't, that their fuck ups will feel more permanent. I'm sure the next average Star Wars film, whether it's the Solo movie or Ep IX, will probably get a lot of love from people who are desperate for something decent after this shitshow, and even more love from the ones who are in denial. But I don't think Star Wars can sustain itself through repeated failures like superhero brands can. I'd be interested to see the mid-to-long-term effects of this new trilogy on the profitablity of the Star Wars brand.

The original resurrection of Superman in the first version of Justice League that got completely reshot and reworked was him going mad from being frankenstein'd back to life and would serve as a badguy for the opening of the next movie. The fight between him and the league was supposed to be the very end of the movie and end with him in the black suit, which was shot. Instead WB had joss come in and reshoot nearly every superman scene aside from the actual resurrection and fight to include quips and make superman instantly okay and good and save the day. Snyder's plan for the franchise was completely killed and undone because of studio meddling in the hopes they'd attract the Marvel money.

>Snyder's plan for the franchise was completely killed and undone because of studio meddling in the hopes they'd attract the Marvel money.
I take some solace in them utterly failing in doing that. JL is their trainwreck to come to terms with. It's really disgusting if you think about them taking advantage of family tragedy to replace him.

Snyder clearly has a type.
See: Lena Heady, Malin Akerman, and Gal Gadot.

Wrong. DC can just bide it's time and reboot the franchise if it wants. That's the blessing of comic book movies, if you fuck up all you have to do is wait. Look at what Marvel did with Hulk. Star Wars is fucked forever. You can't just forget Episode 8. It's there permanently. You can try to lessen the blow with Episode 9 and beyond but Episode 8 will always be there.

>Patty Jenkins directs Wonder Woman
>her amazons dress like fucking muslims, covering up every bit of skin because they have no muscle, don't look like amazons

>Snyder directs the amazons in JL
>exposed midriffs, thighs and arms
>the women are muscular and attractive and aren't ashamed of their mediocre bodies

Why are women so insecure and unwilling to improve their bodies?

Did you watch the directors cut? It's actually not bad. The non-director cut is shit.

The Amazon scenes in Wonder Woman looked like some cheap Xena shit. It took until JL where we got to see how Amazons should look like proper. Mythic and angelic and powerful. Jenkins is a hack desu. Her gender is doing her ton of favors.

I think WW got a pass because MUH WOMAN SUPERHEROR
It's a completely mediocre movie from top to bottom
Worse than Suicide Squad

Disney doesn't care about pissing off SW fans because it regards them as a captive audience that will continue to buy tickets regardless of how unhappy they are. WB is on thinner ice because their properties don't have fans with that kind of brand loyalty.

you can reboot a batman any day you want

you cannot do that with star wars (and they will do it anyway). star wars is forever ruined now. luke is forever ruined.