Doomsday Clock discussion thread vol.2

because the first one () has reached bump limit
thoughts/opinions/hopes/fears?

Good time to be a DC comic fan.

>I believe in the power of these icons. I believe in the power of hope, and optimism. I don’t think it’s fake. People tend to say if it’s grim, and gritty, it’s real, and grounded. I refuse that … And I don’t care if it stirs up drama. But I want it to be drama in the right way. I think Gary and I have earned the right to do a story we believe in. With Rebirth, I think we proved we care, and take this seriously. We love Watchmen. We love the DC Universe.
Have you ever seen someone get high off their own supply? You have now.

Post your face when Geoff reveals that the DC (Doomsday Clock) Extended Universe is the product of what happens when Doctor Manhattan influences the regular DC Universe
(remember, Snyder directed Watchmen, too)

Will they show Manhattan's dong?

I think these hype threads are the proof big 2 comics are as dumb as they are because their fans are gullible enough to take this marketing ordeal as "art" and not just because the writers and editors are often hacks

In a full two page spread.

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It's all due to the increase in tumblr and reddit crossposters. They eat everything up. Rebirth is considered as high art on those sites.

>being a fan of a brand
you're an idiot

>Good time to shit.

Bitch to be you right now.

I'm thinking not. It's OK for a standalone series or a prequel to that series, but if he's going to be a regular character they'll either position him so you can't see it or redesign him.

I hope it's shot like it's obviously going to be and it and those shifty movies losing so much money will finally get DC shut down for good

Starting to think the rumours about who Batman really is in JLA are true

What rumors?

It's really Martian Manhunter

what is there even to discuss? no one knows shit yet and it's likely just some bullshit thrown together to cash in on watchmen when they didn't have to be part of the story at all

>Batman and Rorschach in the ultimate battle of nihilists

I'm kinda intrigued desu

then wheres batman

Bruce isn't a nihilist. A pragmatist when he's forced to face hard facts, but the fact he even bothers with the cape crusader thing shows he hopes for something.

Also I wouldn't call Walter a nihilist either, he recognized the unrelenting nature of the world much like Jon and Adrian, but like Adrian he still persisted to see to it that something was done no matter the means, or ends.

i dunno i dun write the comics u dum fuc

The real question is will they show it?

No, they'll likely make up some bullshit like Jon's become so detached from humanity, from being a man that he's gone from being naked to becoming a ken doll.

They'll pull an Austin Powers.

How will they power creep the rest of the Minutemen (Comedian, Nite-Owl, etc.) after giving Ozymandias such a huge ability boost?

Nite Owl will be a Batman clone. If Rorshach is alive in this universe (and wasn't already vaporized by Manhattan), he'll be Nite Owl's sidekick.

The Comedian will probz rely on his weapons/grenade launcher, Silk Spectre will probably be with Manhattan and have no discernible powers other than being the Doc's fuck meat

You mean in JLA Rebirth?

I wanna see a source.

DC DOES IT AGAIN

I don't think the other Watchmen characters will actually appear - at least not as active characters interacting with the DC crew. They might be part of flashbacks, but I don't think we'll see them somehow teaming up with Manhattan to face the Justice League.

This is the same shit Miyazaki was talking about when he said that the problem with anime was that it was full of otaku making it (and I think Moore said something very similar regarding American mainstream comics).
Good comic book writers, even when writing meta stuff like Moore and Morrison did in the early days, obviously wrote looking out the window, at the real world and the real people in it. The only window Johns looks at is the inner window of his office, where he can see Lee and Didio drinking slushies and flexing their muscles.

Moore is a pothead who worships a snake with hair and Morrison was a shut-in in his youth, neither of them know what the real world is like.

Saw this get mentioned in another thread
>watchmen universe doesnt have DC's shining beacon which is superman
>doomsday clock will be focused mostly on manhattan and superman
10 bucks says the story will be about the death of superman but without superman

They'll just give him old mr shadow crotch like they do everytime a character is naked or he will have some nice blue undies.

Read their comics and you'll be surprised. Specially Moore. He knows how to make his characters feel human, even when their wearing capes and underwear on the outside.

Neither of them learnt to write by just reading capeshit.

Wasn't this faggot booted out to write for movies?

At least it's still better than comic books being written by people who don't actually care for stories or characters and just view them as their own long-form political cartoon.

No, his CCO job is more nerdy than that. He is basically a living encyclopedia but he also works as a liaison to let legal know if there's a rights issue they need fixed.

And though he wasn't writing anything coming out he was basically the head editor to Rebirth.

It's entertainment, it's not supposed to be some high water mark of art just as much as asoiaf and Westworld aren't.

Doesn't work unless Bruce was in on it, Tim knew he was forming a JLA and Snyder said it was also part of his plan

But that's the defense fanboys are using. When people point out that it's cheap and arguably offensively stupid to drag Watchmen through the mud they say we just don't get the deeper, hope-fulfilling message and that Johns is using the propriety masterfully to deliver a smart critique of modern comics. In the other thread people were talking about applauding the man

Or alternatively they'll call Watchmen crap and say they're glad Johns is rightfully shitting on Moore and his toxic legacy which is totally his fault i swear he forced me to write edgy capeshit that takes itself too seriously

Johns has never written edgy capeshit that take itself too seriously though. His books are pure fun.

Why can't people contextualize his use of violence?

Manhattan can warp reality around him.

How can anyone seriously compete?

Johns has often been the definition of edgy capeshit, and is directly responsible for it taking over the DCU. Shilling won't change the facts or make him any less of a horrible hypocrite.

This Wonderland sure is a zany place.

go away Tom Brevoort

I dunno, pedophile somali pirates seem pretty edgy too me

Rosarch and comedian won't appear. Their story is over.

Also Oz is Jor-El.

Thats not edgy, that's reality.

this is still a stupid idea because there is nothing that a superman manhattan discussion will lead to that won't be complete bullshit

it can't be a physical fight, blue dick wins

which means it'll be a philosophical discussion, which blue dick wins again due to being "outside" time. he knows the ending

which means johns will have superman pull some muh hope deus ex machina out of his ass and convince doc top stop fucking with the DCU

bravo le cereal man

> which means it'll be a philosophical discussion, which blue dick wins again due to being "outside" time. he knows the ending
> he knows the ending

Did you read the fucking book?

I just want to see the Superman Thought Robot kick Manhattan's blue ass
is that too much to ask?

I just don't have faith in Johns. Sure Rebirth was good, but all of his stories start good and devolve into a clusterfuck.

You're acting like everyone already doesn't know Johns is incapable of making a Doctor Manhattan vs. Superman fight compelling on any level.

Why conform to either of both shitty sides of the spectrum and not try to find something more balanced and good, like those two writers I mentioned? And I say this without being a big Morrison fan, but he's leagues above someone like Johns.

Johns is a hypocrite because he's written some of the most goriest DC stories in general
so his words amount to a lot of shit in general

>We Love Watchmen
>Says the man who can't even quote the book correctly

Well Rorschach is the most popular Watchmen character
so obviously he must be just like Batman right

Ummm fuck you
his teen titans run
his use of superboy prime

anything with violence so graphic will automatically make him a hypocrite on every level
If he wants to shit talk Moore about his grim and gritty comics(that he now hates)

The mental gymnastics of Johns fans are amazing.

anyone having faith in johns after darkseid war is a moron
his work with superman has been terrible since forever brainiac finished

No the mental gymnastics of johns haters are. Are you goning to complain the 90s extreme and batmams back being broken? Or any of the grim stuff in the bronze age?

Go read your old archie or spidey super stories you sensitive soul.

Darkseid War was pretty much beloved everywhere except on Sup Forums

What? The fuck is wrong with people, that was horrible. The only good thing about it was babyseid's last panel.

What the fuck does anything of what you just said has anything to do with my post?
Johns has written a whole bunch of grim and gritty crap in his comics, only to swing back to talk about hope, showing us that he's completely incapable of any sort of nuance or sophistication.
I love how everybody sucks his dick for this when him, Lee, Didio and all the gang were the same people who did New52, DCYou and all that shit that everybody supposedly hated so much.

daily reminder that Johns is a hack who wins Spike TV awards while real writers win Eisners

the 90s were the best time in comics, fuck off faggot

Eh, it was okay until the end
It had a great Wondy, a credible threat, some cool character moments, more Crime Syndicate, and I liked the godly transformations
However, Grail was 2edgy4me, the Babyseid moments were stupid even by Johns standards, and I still don't understand what was Grail and Mobius' motivation

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I hope they announce at the end that the entire thing was ghost-written by Morrison, just to fuck with Moore even further.

>great wondy
come on, now

>him, Lee, Didio and all the gang were the same people who did New52, DCYou

I don't have a source for you, but Johns certainly wasn't behind the New52
Supposedly, Didio told him to change the ending of Flashpoint to the creation of the new universe
Do you think he would have bothered with all that shit about reintroducing Martian Manhunter, Firestorm, Reverse-Flash, Jade, Hawkman etc. during Brightest Day if he knew in advance that New 52 would change them completely? Aquaman and Green Lantern only survived unchanged because they were his properties
Hell, his whole gimmick is about bringing back old concepts and wrangling continuity, the New52 must have been like cutting off the dick of a porn star for him
And by DCyou he all but left comics, except for JL

I was thinking this as well. There may be some combat early on, but I feel this is going to be resolved via debate. And Superman will win when he overcomes every attempt of Manhattan to force a compromise of Superman's adherence to his ideology. Superman will eventually win when he makes Manhattan realize that he does in fact have a stake in the well being and care of Earth.

Jon's going to look much more cosmic, with no need for a penis.

>just to fuck with Moore even further

It's funny you say that because at least Morrison would find a tasteful way to deliver whatever message Johns is trying to market

Will this manhattanbe mentioned at all?

He's not marketable enough to be even considered

Them why don't you fuck off to those normie places where it was beloved.

Johns is Millar without any Eisners or talent

Morrison didn't defeat Superdoom for this.

Because the cool guys are all here :)

Yeah it's not like he wrote the flagship title of the New 52 or anything.

>Johnsfags are this delusional

And what reason is there for this ruse?

>Also Oz is Jor-El.
explain

>He is the president and Chief Creative Officer at DC Comics; he has served in the latter position since 2010.

It's obvious he's not the one that calls all the shots, but he's been involved since before the New52.

"My son"

No way it's papa kent. He geen dead for years.

Warner bothers called for the nu 52 reboot, not johns. Johns is the one shoving some things back in cannon.

Johns always been a de-booter.

Dude, the reboot itself isn't the problem. The whole aesthetic behind it was, and it wasn't WB who decided it. That was Johns, Lee and Didio.
And you said very well, "shoving", because that's the only way Johns knows how to do shit. He's now shoving Watchmen into main DC continuity.

Nope. Wrong my bro. Didio said warner asked them to do it. Sales was in the shitter line wide. Geoff also admitted he hates taking out things.

Nu52 was and is a success until rebirth came, now they're just re adding things in and making movement. Creating a buzz.

Shoving stuff in is what lasped fans want. They was pissed at back issues and relationships removed.

While I do think most people using those arguments are retards. Watchmen did changed the industry in a bad way and it is nice to see someone stop sucking watchmen dick for once.

Anyone know the price for this?

Bitch to be Marvel right now

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>manhattan starts to influence supermab
>his suit gets grayer
>he starts frowning
>he is drawn like cavill

Though I think it's too cheap for DC. Marvel would be more likely to pull something like that.

>he starts balding

LOOK AT THIS DUUUDE

I'm wondering how this is dying into Superman, it's his logo on top and it's the DOOMSDAY Clock. Oz has captured Doomsday. I wonder if that's the connection here, what's Oz doing with him?

Don't blame it on the book itself, because at no point it was meant to be "this is how comics should be".
Blame it on retards like Johns that couldn't read it properly.

Doomsday has nothing to do with it. The name us a callback to the octopus thing.