What went wrong?

What went wrong?

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What went right?

Starting the season off with another long parter.

Focusing too much time on Anode, whose character is really generic.

Kicking Alex Milne off for no good reason.

Not starting the season of with the mutineers.

I think once this arc ends, it might be more entertaining. I'm sticking with it at least till the mutineers return issue, that's gonna be the issue of the year for me.

>What went wrong?
Milne was booted off.

Scott learning from her mistakes, after how she fucked up with the reveal with Chromia, having Chromia end up in the situationshes currently in is great. Plus we get a lot of different non G1 characters getting focus.

Okay so how do you think Roberts can still salvage this?

I think he's run out of ideas at this point. Good ideas anyway.

>Roberts goes up. Mairghread goes down.
>Roberts goes down. Mairghread goes up.

Why can't they both be good at the same time??

If that's true, it makes me sad the mutiny might be the last brilliant idea in the comic.

Makes me sad too user. Its a real shame.

>No-one cares about Anode
>Who goes on the Away Team makes little sense
>Home Team does nothing apart from more Tailgate and Cyclonus relationship issues. Again. That drag Whirl in. Again.
>Tailgate is a horrible abusive bastard for some reason and no-one is flat out stopping it for some reason.
>Functionist universe as first big long plot was a bad idea, we wanted a zippy adventure that started the hunt for the Lost Light
>Rung's purpose just got shat onto the page with no importance, that sure was worth wondering about for 5 years or whatever
>Half the Away Team just stand in the background doing nothing.
>No-one cares about Anode.
>Functionists stop making sense and being a threat and just become cartoon villains.
>Not helped by the inappropriate dayglo cheerful art
>No Milne
>No Milne or Cahill
>No Milne

The art not meshing with the tone of the script and the script itself being meandering and badly weighted in terms of pace are fucking the book.
That, that no-one cares about Anode and the cast is too big for everyone to be in every story man, c'mon.

>Tailgate is a horrible abusive bastard for some reason
Besides beating the cons who he thinks attacked Cyclonus, Tailgate has been thrashing in his sleep and didn't know he was the one that harmed Cyclonus. Cyclonus doesn't want to guilt-trip Tailgate.

>Rung's purpose just got shat onto the page
Quite literally.
I can't believe "Rung poops/ovulates" is the big fucking reveal.

>The art not meshing with the tone of the script

This is my BIGGEST issue with the running. It just doesn't flow well together.

He's an ornament. He makes ornaments!

I'm starting to suspect that the whole actual quest is nothing more than a running gag. It was kind of funny at first, but it's run its course. Time to actually start moving the plot forward instead of introducing characters and alternate worlds no one gives a literal shit about.

It doesn't help that the only character which isn't at this point a one dimensional running joke or a gay robot is Megatron, and that's just barely.

The biggest sin? The book has become incredibly, incredibly boring.

Yeah most characters just stand there and do nothing.

Roberts really can't do a big cast, why he needed to keep introducing more characters I'll never know.

Seriously what's the point of Roller being there outside of the subversion of him being Tarn.

Fuck Roller should have had Anode's newcomer POV role. It gives him something to do.

Seriously what would it take for Roberts to get a co-author?

Yeah, we know what Tailgate is doing and how Cyclonus is reacting to it. With 'for some reason' I was meaning it was a stupid plotpoint that really didn't need to happen, or at least happen in with everything else. We're immediately into another twist in the Tailgate Cyke drama that drags out pointlessly.

It's only gotten worse with the confirmation Tailgate beat Fangry so badly the two medicos were scrambling to stabilse him, and then the awkward pacing of the previous issue ending and then Tailgate and Whirl in the most recent.

The balancing (and even point) of A, B, C plots etc in the issues so far is bad.

Yeah Roberts should have actually started the season off with Rodimus and co. actually beginning their trek to get their ship back and/or they get a lead on the Knights?

Photonic crystals. The material you freeze sparks into until you need to thaw them out. Like constructed cold/M.T.O. It was never explained where the crystals came in the first place.

>It doesn't help that the only character which isn't at this point a one dimensional running joke or a gay robot is Megatron, and that's just barely.
Its too bad the way Roberts Megatron (and the way he writes the narrative around Megatron at times) is genuinely fatiguing. I thought people were joking about "Megatron Fatigue" when I first heard of it but no. Its a real thing Roberts has managed to do.

He ovulates user accept it.
Be glad it isnt another robot mpreg story from Jro like Eugenesis.

Megatron does do the same thing every issue.

I think I'd be ok with him temporarily staying behind on the functionist Cybertron but of course come back so he can face judgement.

Matrix of Leadership can poop out sparks. Optimus is a mother in waiting.

I'm hoping eventually Roller eventually reveals to Optimus he's back.

Now that's a reunion we need.

I wonder what he'd think of what Optimus has become.

I haven't gotten this far in the IDWverse yet, but the IDW books have been pretty hit and miss for me in general. There are great stories, but then there's a lot of clumsy try-hard dialogue and oddly soapy character interaction that feel like Tumblr girls got a hold of it between their thighs and are trying to choke the fun out of it.

It hurts how divorced the Lost Lightcast is from everyone else. So many great character interactions that haven't happened yet.

One thing I don't get is how some people say Chromia is written as a butch lesbian in love with Windblade. I asked some lesbians why theybrhought so and their answers were all just that she's so butch and lesbian. I'm not seeing it. A little like an Amazon maybe, but all her interactions with Windblade seemed like an older sister trying to take care of a naive younger sister.

>mpreg
Dude it's the same shit from the old comics. Soundwave was spazzing and spewed out hot metal just like it.

Now I want this to return to the comics.

The art is actually a major problem. Which is weird as it's decent art. It just does not fit the tone of the story.

The worst problem is that Roberts stuck too closely to 'it's not a real relaunch, it's just the next issue' but ALSO tried to establish to new readers what goes on in the book.
And there aren't really that many new readers.
And the current ones were kind of into the idea of chasing after the LL.
So
>world-building and new concepts
>relationship drama with Tailgate and Cyclonus
>Brainstorm and Nightbeat are wacky bros
>Whirl is irresponsible and violent
>Rodimus and Megatron's characters re-established (especially bad with Megs as we just had a whole season and climax)
>Seriously, Megs' arc climaxed and psyche just kidding

The whole thing is spinning the wheels in a too-long opening arc, with disconnect between writer and artist. Lawrence should be the guy doing zany fill-ins or drawing the Scavengers or some shit. Not leading the book.

Shippers are going to ship. Logic doesn't apply.

As someone who grew up with Power Rangers instead of Transformers, I'm jealous of you guys. I heard MTMTE went downhill in its second half, but just the idea of all these obscure Transformers getting their own character arcs is cool. I wish those PR comics did something like that instead of focusing solely on the Mighty Morphin cast.

I see them as friends.

Though to be fair I thought Chromedome and Rewind were friends when I started reading MTMTE.

oh and Swerve and Nautica are sad about Skids but instead of examining that let's just sideline them for 6 issues or whatever.
Roberts posted the script title of The Mutineers and it was like issue 10 or something, i mean fuck man, that's way too long.

Yeah it's a shame that's not the next issue after the arc.

>Though to be fair I thought Chromedome and Rewind were friends when I started reading MTMTE.
That's fine, you were supposed to.
What's neat is that when you go back to the very first issue Prowl is throwing shade about Chromedome's 'FRIEND' (in bold letters and everything) being around.

I think the most he's done is showing them self medicating against grief, right?
Which in a way is crazy because each season is a new generation of characters for PW. That SHOULD mean new lore every year to build on and interact with.

Ok so is there anything people like so far here?

I kinda like Fangry and Rapidfire even if they'll probabky be irrelevant for the comic. I just like having some Cons in this comic.

I like Megatron's mentor/daddy Terminus. I'm expecting him to die.

>Fangry
It was genuinely nice to see someone recognisable turn up.
Which I think shows something wrong with the comic as well.
I liked some of the jokes. None I remember, unfortunately, which is also telling (I can dump a half dozen from MTMTE right now from memory), but I do remember laughing.

This is why you need an editor. I don't think people really appreciated Barber in that role in the early days of MTMTE. A lot of the self-indulgence in Roberts writing only appeared when his role as editor diminished.

>I'm expecting him to die.
Functionist universe Orion shoots Terminus.

There's been a lack of them, to be honest. The only representation was Drift and Cyclonus who no longer identified as such. Brainstorm doesn't count. On one hand it's understandable. It's a holy quest being guided by a relic owned by the Autobots. However the Matrix is a Cybertronian relic. Not an Autobots one. They should have had a few cons on board since issue one. If only because they didn't want to stay on Cybertron.

It's like You can see his thought process.
>what am I good at?
>world building
>fuck it, I'll just make a bunch of parallel universes so I can keep building worlds

You know I never even thought what Orion would be like without having read Towards Peace.

That'd be a cool twist actually.

Blitzwing was meant to have Cyclonus's spit originally.

Personally I think Octane/Tall Tankor would have been perfect for this comic.

Rodimus on a quest for vengeance should be neat. Last time he got one was in the early IDW days and it was fucking glorious.
Also yeah, Decepticons on the book were much needed since day 1.

>he ran out of ideas
Which frustrates me to no end because it should be the most wild and mysterious book since it's not shackled down by one particular setting or politics but here we are. It's a book about a quest for the Knights of Cybertron. You'd think we would be getting thrown into more mysteries dealing with the knights, titans, primes and all that borders legend but nah. Instead the book keeps getting derailed into more pointless nonsense.

I really REALLY fucking wish Alex Milne did the art for LL.

Got a link to who did this? I like the style.

It's Alex Milne you silly billy.
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>Not Alex Milne
>Not backup porn artist
there's your problem

...maybe it just looks different to me cause it's not on the glossy comic paper?

We haven't seen his art in the comics in a long time now. Our eyes are fresh and can see his amazing skills again. We don't know what we got until it's really gone.

The story would of flowed so much better with Milne.

I want him to draw blurr more

I want him to draw more questionable content.

>Tfw there will never be an offical tf comic of straight up gay robot porn

This is as close we will ever get.

You know, on one hand Optimus being a nonbeliever/agnostic(?) Keeps the incredible power and authority from his title possibly going to his head but,

On the other hand power still went to his head and found an opportunity to manipulate people instead and be a supreme hypocrite. Is prime currently at his most morally bankrupt ever?

I've yet to get far enough into IDW's stuff to know what you're referring to.

Did Prime go full-on "give me your face"-esque lunacy in IDW too or what?

>Seriously what's the point of Roller being there outside of the subversion of him being Tarn.
I think that was him trying to appease pissed off DJD fans.
>Look I gave you another big buff guy, and you used to think he was Tarn, that's good enough right?

No, he went full Prowl mode.
Basically he's using divine authority he doesn't even believe in to get people to do what he wants. If Optimus genuinely believed he was being guided by some force then there wouldnt be an issue but the fact that he doesn't believe at all and constantly declares his divine authority is following the same path as all the other corrupt primes that came before him.
Windblade and Pyra Magna both confront him on this.

Weren't the primes before Optimus fakes?

Josh if you're here and you see this tell Milne we want him back.

>Is prime currently at his most morally bankrupt ever?
I think he was slightly leaning towards the influence but later nipped it out of his system.

That's what we get from someone who's a fan of Steven Moffat's writing of Doctor Who.....

I mean the Parallel dimension is an interesting subplot but can we PLEASE GET BACK TO THE ACTUAL FUCKING LOST LIGHT SHIP?

Nah even Moffat ties his side plots up quicker than this.

Yes. Unlike those Primes Optimus is the one true prime but I guess he can't escape the curse of corruption that just comes with the title. Even the other real primes seem to be screwed up with the exception of Micronus and Solus.

I care about Anode.

But I can agree that her story seems to be taking away from the main plot pretty severely. I don't think it's a BAD plot, though, just out of place here.

What happened to Transformers generals? I started reading IDW G1 and I want to chat about it.

There was an user who got very traumatized and suffers from PTSD from the sight of TFG. That and not much was going on. Just make regular threads if you want to talk about anything TF related and people will jump in.

Go ahead and say what you want here user.

I enjoyed Autocracy and I'm currently enjoying Monstrosity, but apparently everyone hated them.

Neither were universally hated, if you enjoy them don't worry what others say.
All Hail Megatron is generally regarded as terrible but I still enjoy parts of it for instance.

Some hate them, some don't. I'm an eye-candy person so it's hard for me to like all the burn/dodge brushing and photoshopped stock images.

I hear AHM has continuity issues, which is a bummer. But I guess most long standing comics go through it?

You have to have a very consistent and amazing editorial team to avoid stuff like that and even then shit still happens.

When placed next to Roberts at his worst with the neverending quips and awkward romance pandering that makes Degrassi look like D.H. Lawrence, the Autocracy arcs aren't too bad. Transformers at its core is about good and evil and robots at war. They deliver that much. The art is a misfire at times though (not that IDW hasn't seen worse).

Bump

TAAO's artist had a nsfw tf blog at one point. It was recognizably her style and all.

Dont most comic artists have a nsfw blog?

Probably. I remember Milne getting caught liking hentai through his main twitter if that counts for anything.

Milne sounds fun.

That's another issue, too much shit is happening at once. We have the alternate Cybertron plot, Anode, Tailgate, Whirl's adventure with Swerve, and while Rungs purpose getting revealed serves a purpose in LL, it's completely pointless in everything else.

Constructed cold bots aren't an abomination that go against God? Good, but no real ramifications come out of this since there never was any widespread discrimination of constructed cold bots in any of the books or anything.

Off-topic question: I want to get into transformers, but it always seems like I would really need to watch G1 to do it properly since everything references it. Is that the case? If not, where would be a good place to start?

Watch Prime or Animated

>Is that the case?
Not really. There are references, but nothing necessary to understand the characters or the plot. Start with whatever continuity seems the most interesting to you. Just realize that the majority of it is awful. The Bay movies illustrate a rule more than embody an exception. Of recent, IDW has some great stuff but it's also got a lot of garbage.

Transformers Prime had some cool parts too, though I honestly don't remember it very well.

I agree, Rodimus's character needs to actually grow and him going on this revenge quest to take back his ship for Getaway should be the main focus.

instead we're stuck on an arc nobody really asked for, focusing on characters again nobody asked for.

I hope this is the season where Rodimus matures a bit and by the end is accepted back as the captain of the Lost Light he was meant to be.

>All Hail Megatron is generally regarded as terrible but I still enjoy parts of it for instance.
I honestly loved AHM. Sunstreaker, Starscream, and Skywarp were fantastic there. Especially Sunstreaker, I'm still angry he got completely shafted to the side in all the new books.

I started with IDW.
You can honestly start anywhere but Bayformers and Beast wars. The reason I leave out Beast wars is because it's pretty much one of a kind in the franchise whereas everything else feels reoccurring incarnations of the G1 characters.

Things got retardedly convoluted and pretentious, eventually enough time passed that any momentum from the first comic was lost and my enthusiasm to seek out issues waned.

>Tailgate standing over Cyclonus
>"w-well, this is me"
>starts shaking and excreting mercurial metal from the chest while screaming
>extrudes an entire liquid protoform over the course of a minute
>"You're beautiful"

Megatron. Also, Roberts getting too far up his own ass.
has it right.

We really needed that downtime arc, huh?
Hell, it could've been actually used to push the plot forward VB as well as doing character focus one-shots.

Autocracy and Monstrosity were fine at a push.
Primacy is utter balls.

fuck making long parters is not Roberts specialty, we came back after a long arc and hiatus.

I'd rather we got a few downtime, character interaction issues first.

Functionist arc could have waited much later.

The real reason for Tailgate's constant need for recharge isn't because of his super strength but because he's eating for two now and baby is getting BIG.

Is Primacy the one where Nyon got bombed to hell and back by Rodimus because that was so atrocious that it was funny.

oh god, i hope not.

I like it but I'll admit to it being weaker than what it's following.

The truth behind Rung was a bummer. Otherwise I'm liking the return to Functionalist Cybertron.