What was the point of this character?

What was the point of this character?

MY SIDES

underrated

>lol this character's existence breaks the fiction of the universe so his origins must be quite the interesting thing!
>haha no just kidding fags who cares

plot device for kylo and rey. everyone other than kylo or rey aren't characters but rather just plot devices to aid the push and pull of those two

To prove the weakness and arrogance of the patriarchy

>this character's existence breaks the fiction of the universe

Huh?

Darth MacGuffen

stepping stone for kylo

The Empire couldn't both fund the Death Star and create Vader a new suit at the same time.

Yet this old nobody and tiny little militia of LARPers made a biggerer death star and a biggerererererer star destroyer and a bunch of bigerererererererererer AT-ATs

Rebels winning in episode VI felt like a complete arc. They celebrated, nobody was like ‘well we won this battle, but we need to prepare for the next one.’ It makes sense that some remnants of the empire exist and that’s why the EU portrayed these remnants as capable, but not jokingly inexhaustible. The first order poops out superweapons faster than the OT empire could or did. Snoke’s existence makes no fucking sense if Sheev and Vader are the 2 remaining Sith in the galaxy.

>stupid fanboys your snoke theories suck xd
>doesn't write shit about snoke before he just kills him off halfway though the movie

The Empire didn't give Vader a new suit because Sheev was an asshole and wanted Vader to be suffer, not because they couldn't afford to buy it.

The sith maintained a master/apprentice structure for centuries (or longer, I forget) but somehow this fucking asshole who is stronger than Sheev or at least his equal comes out of nowhere in a 30 year span and essentially continues where he left off? Not impossible because you can come up with any shit you want but if you put something that major into the universe you'd best explain where the fuck he came from and not in a goddamn comic or novel.

No, George Lucas literally said it was between a new suit and the Death Star and Sheev couldn't divert funding.
He was also an asshole who wanted Vader to suffer but a new suit wasn't optional due to the Death Star regardless.

We'll never know what the point was because Rian Johnson fucked over everything that JJ set up in Force Awakens. And so it goes... Jake Skywalker was an interesting character

Originally Sidious 2: Sith Lightning Boogaloo but TLJ eliminated him to make you think Kylo is a serious villain even though he still acts like a confused Dylan Klebold

>I know, I'll be an asshole to fans....that will work out! That always works out haha!

There's evil space wizards in Star Wars movies so he was the evil space wizard.
If you believe the people behind these movies think more deeply about them than that, you're delusional.

Comedy option: JJ actually had plans for all of these characters, Rian wasn't interested and said fuck it, and now JJ has one movie left to do the rest of his story arc, except most people are dead.

side note: by the time they could afford a new suit, Vader didn't want one as he'd grown too accustomed to it and the pain it caused him.

Whatever Jar Jar Abrams was setting up was discarded, and since Rian Johnson killed him off there's little Abrams can do with him. One of his only options left is having him return as a force ghost.

>but the sith can't be force ghosts
someone will say just before JJ pisses down their throat

Does he look like a hyper caricatured old white man?

How can creative control be that tenuous? It's obvious they have no plan, but this is just sad, and they can't even voice negative opinions without this children getting threatened.

Who said Snoke was a Sith?

The whole scene with Rey and Kylo trying to turn each other and then Kylo killing Snoke was literally the only good part of TLJ.

OK, except there is barely any explanation of Palpatine's or The Emipre's origins contained within the original trilogy.

Kylo's development

The difference is with no back story, it's okay to assume it's established. This powerful person/empire was established before this time and people usually know when there is a power that huge. They had time to go back and explain it.

There is no time to go back and explain Snoke. the story before him has been told, the galaxy is mostly explored- even so someone that powerful would have been felt in the force by people like Sheev, Obiwan, Yoda, etc.

Why does this need to be explained? We know how empires rise & fall.

America loses to the Viet Cong then becomes even bigger and nastier with its imperialism. Their rise to power hasn't been relevant to the stories of the last two films.

Hell, everyone hated the prequel trilogy for being about that kind of wargame minutia.

>Why does this need to be explained?
Because characters with backstory is more interesting than plot devices for other characters. Sheev was interesting. Vader is one of the most interesting characters in the SWU. The Prequels were ass but it's neat to know where this big bad came from.

That's what made SW interesting, the stakes higher, the irony and tension of each situation that much better to sink your teeth into. If a character is that easy to throw away don't paint him as something incredible, just leave him out and write something better. Or if that was SW has become, a bait&switch for the sake of Reylo, then I'm out. It's lazy and dumb writing pretending to be clever.

If you say so.

What was the point of this character?

It's almost like when you're working with a 30 year old franchise there's more baggage then when you only have two movies. You have to take the good with the bad with these franchises.

With the prequels lucas felt compelled to link everything that's why clone fighters have attack foils and jedi fighters are the tie pattern.
Abrams made TFA a reshoot of ANH to drag in those nostalgia bucks and was continuing that trend.

You don't set up a 30 year old franchise were everything is linked and explained because it's star wars.
Then set up your first first film as continuing that trend and have your new director turn around and say fuck it.
A lot of the reason TLJ is getting stick is that whiplash caused by not having a fucking coherent plan.

Poor babby didn't get Empire Strikes Back 2.0.

Close, but you're forgetting about the scene where the Porg crashed into the windshield.

Do you think if we had gotten an abrham's ESB 2.0 there would be half as much bitching right now?
Would that not have been preferable to ethnic han solo starlording his way to destroying the dreadnought?
Or Disney telling us capitalism is bad in a starwars movie?

If johnson was so mad about having to do a numbered movie before he gets his special snowflake trilogy that he had to throw the baby out with the bath water I can only hope he gets his toys taken away.

>Would that not have been preferable to ethnic han solo starlording his way to destroying the dreadnought?

At least watch the movie before you bitch, bitch.

Star Wars is exhausted

It is yet again rebels vs ebil fascist bad guyse and the whole thing is a fucking impotent snoozefest
Rey is Luke and Kylo is Vader and Luke is Yoda, it's the all the same shit all over again
SW is done, I hope the First Order smashes this stupid salt planet to pieces from high orbit

If Rey had joined Kylo it could've been somewhat interesting, but nope, more muh rebels vs. muh empire bullshit.

Sorry I'm holding for Hux.

This would have redeemed nuWars for me. I was willing her to do in the theater. But nope, muh freendz! come first, people you've known for a whole two days who couldn't possibly understand you or care for you on the deeper level that Kylo will. Imagine the places they'd go and the things they'd see as two force users not beholden to either side.

difference was ot was only 3 movies, sequel trilogy and snoke has 6 movies and other "canon" material prior to work with, but some random jamoke with no explanation shows up, dies, and destroys what the original movies led up to

To be the Emperor 2.0, because TFA was a film with the goal of eliciting the most nostalgia possible in the least amount of time.

This is why he was killed in TLJ. He had no other purpose but to be like "Oh shit, Kylo's like Vader and Snoke's like Sheev!"

Tuh Bee Uh Bad Gye

subverting our expectations

Nothing, because nothing in this new trash trilogy has any rhyme reason. There is no over arching plan or plot for the films, they're just making shit up as they go along, and it's really starting to show. I am a n g e r y

Writing as someone who has /not/ seen TLJ, can people who have clarify something for me?
Without having to think for more than a second, I can list
>Jabba the Hutt
>Boba Fett
>Lando Calrissian
>Mon Mothma
>Grand Moff Tarkin
and more from the original series that have held roles from supporting to integral to the plot and I know for a fact that their entire life story/significant background details are not played out on screen.
Why do people who decry TLJ lament so strongly on Snoke's purpose? From what I know (again I've never seen the movie) he is a being strong with the dark side and rich with resources, who was able to cobble together the First Order and subvert one of Skywalker's students.
What is the fucking issue? He served his purpose.

You're blind if you think TLJ wasn't ESB 2.0. The only difference is that they put Hoth at the end instead of the beginning, and replaced Cloud City with a shitty casino. The movies are basically identical.

ESB was good

All the characters you mentioned did nothing or nearly nothing of consequence before meeting the main cast. The only exception is Lando and he has more of an explanation than Snoke does.

Snoke, meanwhile, is responsible for Ben falling to the dark side and - arguably - the fall of Luke's new Jedi Order. All off screen events that happened before the new storyline. He's referred to several times throughout TFA. But then is dismissed without explanation.

None of those characters are key players of the universe with a prior established history
Sith Lords are different

Well, no. ESB had interconnected story arcs that went somewhere. The Cloud city stuff and Luke's training worked into each other. Everything Finn did was entirely pointless both for his character and for the plot.

Each of those characters were the first of their kind in the story though. This is the equivalent of having another Mandelorian-helmed bounty hunter named Buba Feet. Where did he come from? What's his connection to Boba? Snoke is similar. He's old, apparently, so where was he during the events of the OT? How did he rally the remnants of the Empire together to create the First Order? How do Han, Luke and Leia know about him?

And we knew what we needed about Palpatine during the OT. He was the emperor of the, well, Empire. He was Vader's master. His backstory wasn't important because there wasn't anything PRIOR to the OT until the prequels, where, surprise-surprise, we get to learn his whole backstory of how he came to power and created the Empire.

Fair points, I think I was responding to something in a different context than it was actually meant.

He's the Babidi of Kylo Ren, supposedly Snoke was the "big bad guy" but in the end Kylo rebels and end up surpassing his "master" and become the "real bad guy".

>What was the point of this character?

Snoke was Emperor 2.0
Jakku was Tatooine 2.0
Starkiller Base was Death Star 3.0
Snap Wexley was Porkins 2.0
Finn was Jar Jar 2.0

Last Jedi was not only Empire Strikes Back 2.0 but also Return of the Jedi 2.0

Kathleen/JJ/Rian outright had the Throne Room duel in the middle of the film.

Snoke's more important because he's the man who steered Ben Solo away from the light (apparently, still haven't heard much of anything about how this happened) while the light was ascendant.

The best comparison is to Palpatine in the OT, he's basically a direct ripoff so it's pretty fair, and you'll note that Palpatine's origins are not well explored either. But on the other hand, his purpose in the story is pretty clear; he's the evil half of Vader's conflict, and the embodiment of the Empire, which is space Nazis. There's not a lot of exploration because not much is needed, they established the Empire and the Dark Side of the Force over the previous movies, and he's just the guy that is the figurehead of both.

Snoke is almost exactly the same as a character in being half the conflict of Ben Solo and he's the leader of the First Order. So you're right that the problem seems like it must be deeper, and it is. I think the problem is that we don't understand what the First Order wants. In TFA Hux gives one speech about what the FO is struggling so hard to accomplish and it's kinda generic. Only thing that stuck out to me was him saying something about returning "order" to the galaxy, not much there. The FO is different from the Empire in that they're not the status quo at the start of TFA, and as such they required a bit more background into why they got together and what they're up to; movements can't be started around "I want to rule the galaxy," they have to start around "I need to rule the galaxy to accomplish [blank]."

Palpatine was the embodiment of the Empire, but Snoke was just kind of a ripoff of him rather than a proper embodiment of the First Order and whatever its about. Probably because the movies don't really seem to care what the FO is about, they just want to have bodies for the heroes to shoot.

What was the point of this character?

>apparently
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you forgot to complain about my (ab)use of semicolons.

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>Rey joins Kylo
>Story is centered on Luke as the protagonist again
>Rey/Kylo/Knights of Ren interested in building a form of galactic government that isn't shitty and corrupt like the Empire or Republic, suddenly making it so that Kylo's whole "let it go" speech makes sense and painting him in a more heroic light

Without a backstory, Snoke is just some old fart in a gold robe. I mean he was the guy who helped start the first order, right?
So if Snoke is pointless...where the fuck did the First Order come from and how did it get so powerful? Why should I care? Are they just Imperial remnants? And how did they take over the galaxy in a day after losing the Starkiller base? It was ok with the OT since it was the first exposure to the universe, but now that there is a canon, there should be some continuity. But I suppose they want us to “let the past die” because “lol postructuralism”.
As bad as they were, the prequels made an attempt at connecting with the OT. These new movies feel like a non-sequitur, both to the OT and to themselves. I mean, I guess I could see if IX answers questions, but I doubt it. All I want is a consistent story that’s written well. You know, what these shill critics are supposed to fap over when they proclaim what movie should win an oscar or whatever in their clickbait oscar buzz articles. Fuck Disney and fuck this postmodern ass-sniffing nu-Wars.

Disney’s reply “turn your brain off and give us money like a good goyim, unless you are a sexist bigot.”

It also needs to be said that a lot of people conflate the idea of wanting an explanation or backstory for Snoke as biased favoritism/interest in his character.

Whether or not people actually feel that way doesn't mean they're mutually exclusive. I remember a lot of people actually hating the idea behind him (Sheev 2.0) but those same people would still admit that his very existence calls for explanation because it punched a galactic-sized hole in the franchise's lore and established timeline/chronology.

To trick the normies into thinking that they actually know star wars.

What was the point of those movies?

That's a good question, for another time.

This is definitely true. I would've preferred to not have a Palpy replacement, much as I would've liked to not have the Falcon in the first movie and not have all the other callback shit. But if you're going to have him, fucking do something with him.

>adults getting mad about what is and always has been a family entertainment aimed at shifting toys and merch

Sad.

Do you know where you are?

Snoke is Plagueis. He'll be back in 9. If sheev couldn't kill him then kylo sure as hell didn't get the job done.

We have entered stage 3 of damage control - "IT'S JUST A KID'S MOVIE!"

Exactly. Snoke was the driving force for the conflict in the new trilogy. He seduced Ben and funded the FO. Disney and Lucasfilm brushing this aside and saying this isn’t important shows how little they care about the overall canon, and how they have no plan beyond counting their shekels.

desu was expecting him to come back as a force ghost as soon as Kylo goes 'evil'.

Hux founded the first order

>everything that JJ set up
JJ didn't set up anything.
He dropped a curtain, and then shined a bunch of spot lights on it, enticing people to try and figure out what's behind it, leaving it to everyone after himself to fill up the area behind.
All Rian did was pull the curtains and reveal that it's fucking nothing.

We're literally on the bargaining with Rian. He's begging people to come out on the third weekend, saying it's the best weekend to see a big important blockbuster.

If the reason for the conflict isn’t important, then the conflict isn’t important either. There’s no tension, and it all feels so artificial, like some theme park ride.

>Plagueis
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

These fags still haven't given up? After 4+ years they are going to drag it out to 6 years. Holy shit, the fucking autism.

...ginger nerd guy?

How? When? What?

To bring him back as a Sith ghost in Episode 9 cus "Oooh never been done before!"

Founded yes, but the funding came from Snoke, right?
Oh and Hux doesn’t matter anymore either, seeing how he’s now a joke character.

she was reis dad

Did people even WANT this guy to last until episode 9? he wasn't supposed to be the palpatine of the sequels. He was just the first order leader and teacher to Kylo.

I for one am glad that the main villain in 9 is going to be Kylo and no more of this master/student horseshit with two villains.

Besides the official art book even says that Snoke wasn't even a sith, he was just some asshole deep in the dark side and just evil. He was literally nothing that special

He uses sith lightning and converts experiences to the dark side. What else would he be?

Hey Sup Forums, help me.
Did Snokey's new ship survive the movie?
I thought it got so thoroughly hyperdrived it was basically about to explode.

Thanks rian

Why would Kylo be a good villain? He can't win against Rey, he won't even scratch her.

wow dude I saw this movie today, it was super disappointing. 32 y old star wars fan btw if that matters....

>nigger
>replacement for jar jar
like pottery

See

side splitting action

>Whatever Jar Jar Abrams was setting up
i didn;t see any set up for Snoke in the TFA

How the fuck did Kylo turn dark in the first place? Was Gollum Weinstein force-molesting young Ben when he was with Leia, causing him to be sent away to Luke? Or does Rian seriously expext us to believe that Luke had a premonition of Ben turning dark so he freaks out and then Ben freaks out causing Ben to turn dark?

>Or does Rian seriously expext us to believe that Luke had a premonition of Ben turning dark so he freaks out and then Ben freaks out causing Ben to turn dark?
>"So who freaks first? You freak first? I freak first?"

>How the fuck did Kylo turn dark in the first place?
It's a story for another time. Pls buy "The Fall of Kylo" for $49.95 to find out! Also get "The Despair of Kylo" DLC for $14.95 to get the full story.

Look at his face dude, he definently had the ability to heal from traumatic injury. What better way to throw the audience than to "kill" a major mysterious character who can't really die?

This will unironically be the future of Hollywood