This is my husband, Rocket Raccoon

This is my husband, Rocket Raccoon.

Are we supposed to say something nice about him?

You can if you want to.

Try not to get raccoon AIDs.

His design in that series is god-tier

Scottie Young's art in general is god-tier

He does I Hate Fairyland, right?

that's the guy

Thought so.

I shouldn't be this sexually attracted to a raccoon but here we are

Outside of this, the original mini, MvC3, like one issue of DnA's GoTG, and that one episode in Avengers EMH, he's been drawn like shit constantly.

And Young's is the worst of the five i mentioned above.

Weirdly enough he looked reasonably good in the later issues of Bendis's run. His long torso made him look suitably alien.

You are married to a disgusting trash eating giant rat?

Fuck off, Rocket is MY best bro and not for sexual.

He has been drawn pretty well, pic related is pretty good imo

Yes, and?

I am Groot.

That's completely wrong. He's got a unique style, but he's not even close to being truly great

Yeah, one of the few redeeming features of Bendis's GOTG was pretty good Rocket art.

Best Guardian coming through.

Rocket is for sexual and there's nothing you can do to stop it.

His style has a shit ton of charm and personality to it on top of also being incredibly unique. What makes an artist good is their ability to make you feel something and his art gives me some good vibes.
What's holding him back from being "truly great?"

Yup. I'm still wondering how his artstyle looks insanely different in every comic.

NOT for sexual. I'm hope that writers don't introduce love interests for him.

FOX ON THE RUN
YOU SCREAM AND
EEEEEVERYBODY COMES
A'RUNNIN'
TAKE A RUN AND HIDE
YOURSELF AWAAAAAAY
FOXY ON THE RRRUUUUUUUUUN
F-FOXY
FOX ON THE RUN
AND HIDE AWAAAAAY

>not wanting to see lylla again

Well hes not for sexual with others

I do dislike they tried turning him into a psychopath. He was like the nicest member of the guardians under DnA

I can accept the movie gave him a different personality, but the comics are not the movies, and Bendis went even harder on it. Movie Rocket is just an asshole. Bendis Rocket is a psychopath

Most comic artists draw humans and only humans. A lot of them can draw vehicles and buildings. But animals? Unless it's one they are w around every day they are hopeless at it and seemingly can't be bothered to pick up a reference book. I'm seriously considering gifting a copy of my favorite How To Draw Wildlife book to Marvel with instructions to lend it to anyone who's going to draw Rocket.

Does Rocket Raccoon ever fart in the comics?

Don't do this

I NEVER want to see Lylla or anyone else from HalfWorld again.
Movie Rocket is an only an asshole on the exterior because he has a ton of emotional problems due to being experimented on and abused. He's coming around and is most likely going to be a pretty nice person to his friends in Infinity War/Vol 3.

Bendis Rocket isn't too bad, but he just copied what the movie puts on the table but without understanding why and adding a larger emphasis on killing shit.

There's a tad bit too much "Blam. Murdered ya", but I like when those moments are done well.

Well I dunno about "nice" exactly. Part of the point of guardians is they are all assholes (except groot and I guess Mantis now)

But I guess he will be more chill

Who dis?

A dumb bitch.

S O U T H E R N
N I G H T S

I got Young's Rocket run in hardcover.

What should I get next?

I don't get how people find Rocket hot.

Granted I'm not a furry, but with some other characters that have mostly human muscular bodies and an animal head I kinda get it. Rocket just looks like an actual raccoon, nothing human looking about him so it's weird.

What if I like him for his personality?

What personality? Ever after DnA he's been turned into a psychopath.

Well that's fair then.

Movie Rocket has the whole "acts like an asshole but is actually fragile/sensitive" thing goin' on which girls/gays/furfags love.

>movie
makes sense. fucking casuals invading the board.

The movies have done the best at fleshing out a character for him tho

Kill yourself, casual. He was perfectly defined in his original miniseries and DnA run. I bet you think Ego is "improved" as a celestial, too.
The movies turned Rocket into a cringe worthy prankster who hates if you call him a raccoon! Oh so quirky.

Well, tell me what Rocket's character was like in the DnA run. I'd like to hear what others thought about his character then vs the movie.

I've read/watched essentially everything with this character in it, and I especially like what the movie did with him.

Also you can make anything fuckable if you have a good VA

>Getting down and dirty with a Procyon lotor
What did Marvel mean by this

In his original mini he was a space sheriff, in DnA he was a grizzled veteran of the space wars, and later he was either an asshole adventurer or a depressed loner just trying to get along. Movie Rocket has more depth than any of his previous portrayals but I do miss the space sheriff days.

Movie Rocket's tech skills are so good he could easily make a living repairing and customizing tech for people but doesn't. It seems likely that didn't work out because people are prejudiced against his odd appearance.

>I've read/watched essentially everything with this character in i
Well, same here. Ewing explains it pretty well in Rocket #1 -- Rocket used to be noble, a guardian for his planet who only had eyes for his girl. This carried over to DnA - he was smarter than he was angry, carrying the title of the best strategist in the universe. He followed Peter intently, and he was capable enough that when the group disbanded he raised to be the new leader. When the group gets together again, Rocket gives Peter his helmet saying "here, sir." I think saying "sir" is pretty important, as it's something modern rocket would never do. It shows Rocket is content with his position and he battles on diligently, without complaining. That's the Rocket I love.

After the movie came out (although videogames had already portrayed him this way) he became a psychotic killer who for some reason forgot his planet of origin (which makes no sense) and hates to be called a raccoon (which makes no sense, because he read the Bible of Halfworld). Now you might be thinking "anything related to the original mini is no longer canon! Well, in Young's mini he finds the bible again, so fuck off. Suddenly, out of nowhere, he has a fucking LEAGUE of ex girlfriends, because this rocket is a womanizer who sleeps with whoever he finds. Lylla? Who is that? Oh, it doesn't matter.

Also, he went from being a hero to antihero. Now he's a master at picking locks and finds himself in prison all the time (cause it happened in the movie once!) and he met Groot in a prison, where he realized he was the only one who could understand his language. Again, this doesn't make sense, because Groot didn't lose his speech until halfway through the Guardians.

What the movie did, reducing his character to an angry animal who hides his vulnerabilities, is horribly one dimensional. If you prefer that then you're clearly a casual who started out with that version.

>Movie Rocket has more depth than any of his previous portrayals
Kill yourself

That he's got no people skills but is good with motors.

I will always laugh at saxophone drax jokes no matter how shitty the book

He's 100% right. Movie Rocket's backstory strongly informs his personality, unlike DnA Rocket who was just a quirky meme character.

Man, why did Bendis's run have to get more consistently good art than DnA's run?

There were multiple times Rocket stopped looking at all like a racoon (looked more like a beaver by the end of Thanos Imperative)

And then there were those times they got some really terrible artist to do two separate arc climaxes (the arc where Magus apparently kills everyone and the arc where they save all the apparently dead guardians). They just switched to this one artist who was COMPLETE garbage then switched back right after.

How the fuck was he quirky? He was sober and dutiful. He quipped a lot less than movie rocket, who steals things cause he felt like it LOL!
Also, you judge "depth" according to how traumatized they are? If a character has moved on from his past, they are no longer profound?
Movie Rocket is pathetically one note. You can summarize him in a couple of words.

He did though.
Rocket in the DnA run was great, but he wasn't much more than a nice guy who likes big guns.

Movie guardians gave him a backstory that actively influences his personality and a character arc over the first two movies, something the DnA rocket never had. That Rocket was a pretty static character.

He's great, don't get me wrong, but yeah.

A character who hides inner vulnerability beneath a tough exterior is a staple of action movies and when done well - which it is here - is hardly one dimensional. Movie Rocket has a pathos none of his previous iterations had. He's a tormented little guy who is afraid all the time and terribly alone but instinctively pushes others away because he's been hurt so much. If done badly it can suck but here's he's well written and well acted.

Sometimes it was much worse, though.

Pic related: The absolute worst moment in Marvel History.

>if a character isn't defined by his past he isn't deep
Back to Sup Forums with you.

>A character who hides inner vulnerability beneath a tough exterior is hardly one dimensional
Note how you can summarize his personality in a single sentence.

Oh my god, Im gigglin

I don't think it tops the aforementioned terrible artist I don't know the name of, but holy shit

Ok
DnA Rocket is a nice guy who likes guns but doesn't get along with Cosmo.

There, summarized Rocket for you. So deep.

Why is Drax talking in third person?

I don't see how "this other version isn't deep" helps your argument about the movies. Your description was awful, too.
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>What the movie did, reducing his character to an angry animal who hides his vulnerabilities, is horribly one dimensional

Except DnA Rocket was just as one dimensional. The only thing that changed is his personality, as you said, going from content in his position to angry.

>If you prefer that then you're clearly a casual who started out with that version

I first read Rocket in Conquest and I don't really prefer either version. DnA's works in the story he's in, the movie version works well in that story. Should the comics have just lifted the movie traits with no explanation? No, but that's Marvel for you. For what it's worth I haven't cared for any comics featuring him post-Annihilators.

>You can summarize him in a couple of words

You can do the same with DnA Rocket.

>Look at the talking raccoon, he has big guns!

That's all there is to him. How is that not quirky? Also he quipped plenty in GOTGv2.

He used to do it a thousand years ago. Nowadays he does it from time to time to imitate his awful autistic movie personality.

That's not Bendis' Guardians, that's Secret Wars.

But Drax didn't talk in third person in the movie.

Drax isn't literally a retard in the movies. Just dense.

I'm impressed the thread hasn't devolved into getting yiffy honestly

>Nowadays he does it from time to time to imitate his awful autistic movie personality

But Drax doesn't refer to himself in third person in the movies.

>Look at the talking raccoon, he has big guns!
You're like the third persona to attempt this in this thread and you have yet to actually describe him.
That's not a personality, retard. Seems like you need to reread the post you just quoted.

I guess Rocket really isn't for sexual

Most of the porn with him sucks anyway

I know, I just meant "art of the modern era"

You think modern cosmic writers are that intelligent? All they took from the movie is "he's stupid lol"

>Ewing explains it pretty well in Rocket #1
When did that come out? I completely missed it.

These people haven't even seen the movie before they decided to shit on the characterizations which honestly shouldn't surprise me

>You're like the third persona to attempt this in this thread and you have yet to actually describe him

Attempt what? That's the extent of his character. Rocket has no character arc in GOTGv2 beyond developing a begrudging respect for Cosmo.

>That's not a personality, retard. Seems like you need to reread the post you just quoted.

Nobody said anything about personality. I said you can summarize him in a few words, same as DnA Rocket.

Crazy as it sounds, there was a far better Rocket thread on Sup Forums over the last few days than were having here. There was an almost certainly compete absence of angry shitposters.

Defining a character by his background is not a bad thing. Being able to summarize a character's behavior after he's been in two complete movies is also a good thing. A character with layers is by definition not one dimensional. If anything the old space sheriff and grizzled veteran takes on Rocket were far shallower since the character didn't change or grow one whit. Movie a Rocket is evolving from movie to movie and within the movies. This is a good thing unless you want characters who never change and grow.

His porn's decent.
Not great but it could be worse.

last Wednesday

>Nobody said anything about personality
Try following the convo you're on. I said you can summarize Rocket's movie personality. You said "you can do the same with the comics"

>admiting you're a Sup Forums poster
You have to be an actual manchild to prefer his movie version. He was OK in the first movie, but now he's an edgelord who makes cringe worthy jokes every five minutes. The whole tazerface scene was terribly embarrassing.

Its like you missed his entire arc.

He was intentionally an edgy tryhard. And that was considered a bad thing within the movie itself.

This is why you're not supposed to text during movies. You miss things.

>Try following the convo you're on. I said you can summarize Rocket's movie personality

Not in the post I replied to bub.

>Movie Rocket is pathetically one note. You can summarize him in a couple of words.

I then proceeded to summarize DnA Rocket in a couple of words.

I didn't imply otherwise, I just said it was painful to watch.

not an argument, Sup Forums poster.

> It shows Rocket is content with his position and he battles on diligently. That's the Rocket I love.

That's a fair assessment. Rocket seemed to REALLY respect mostly Peter, though. He was still pretty rude/angry to most other people. Especially Cosmo.

I do think he's going to display more respect in the movie, as he's been showing it in bits and pieces. He's only really an asshole because he doesn't want to have someone in his life that he gets attached to, only for them to push him away.

He hates being called a Raccoon because, although he doesn't know what they are, he knows that they are inferior to sentient life like the rest of the gang. (Everyone calls him vermin, rodent, etc.) He doesn't like being looked down "like some stupid little monster", so he just ends up rejecting the 'raccoon' label.

To be completely honest with you, I didn't really like the story behind the League of Ex-Girlfriends, I remember the story being about him using them for finances and shit rather than womanizing but I'm not sure.

>He went from hero to antihero. Now he's a master at picking locks and finds himself in prison all the time

In your own pic, you posted about how Raccoons usually steal shit and are ideal for robbing. That explains how he gets into prison. And wasn't he in a prison when he meets Star Lord? Being behind bars was a big part of his story, the movie didn't do that.

>What the movie did, reducing his character to an angry animal who hides his vulnerabilities, is horribly one dimensional.

He's an incredibly scared person who hides behind a guise of being angry to make up for his low self esteem about not being seen as a fellow sentient being. At the same time, he is also depressed due to his traumatic creation and lack of friends. At the end of the second movie, he learns that he doesn't need to hold up the facade because he's with family, and that his family will be there to give him the support he needs.

That's a pretty good character desu

Look man, if you want to have a reasonable discussion you should stop slinging the buzzwords and shooting insults in all directions. Even Sup Forums occasionally has a good thread and the Rocket thread was one of them, mostly because people were talking about the character and not insulting each other.

>He hates being called a Raccoon because, although he doesn't know what they are
But he should know! There's no reason for him to have forgotten anything about Halfworld. He knew he was a raccoon before Bendis. He IS a raccoon. His "don't call me a raccoon" shtick is awful.

>Being behind bars was a big part of his story, the movie didn't do that.
Wrong. Rocket #1 reveals why he was in prison, and it's different than "I'm such a scoundrel, I'm used to breaking out of places every week" like they tried pushing after the movie.

>That's a pretty good character desu
Except it doesn't have anything to do with Rocket, just as Groot isn't a life-lover pacifist tree. It's stupid to create 100% new characters and give them their names.

>Man, why did Bendis's run have to get more consistently good art than DnA's run?
Late 00's cosmic setting was literally Marvel telling Giffen and DnA "Ok, you people write whatever but don't touch Earth. We're busy making the A listers fight each other".

What did you expect they would give them? The best artists? They didn't even expect the thing to get a cult following, let alone turn C and D listers into A and B listers.

We literally dont know where he came from in this canon

Could be halfworld, could be earth.

Oh woops, ignore me, thought we were talking movie rocket, not bendis rocket

>Except it doesn't have anything to do with Rocket, just as Groot isn't a life-lover pacifist tree

They can alter an aspect of the personality here and there without it becoming a totally different character. Rocket is still a genetically modified raccoon and master strategist. Removing the knowledge of his origins it follows that he would be scared and angry. It's just taking him a different route and leaving room for him to grow. It's not the SAME character as the comics, but that is almost NEVER true of any comic book movie.

And don't even get me started on Groot, because he hasn't been a real character since Giffen and even Giffen's version was incredibly shallow. Gunn has taken more interest in Groot than anyone ever has.

You are wrong anyway.

>Draw a chipmunk
>Call it an otter

>Removing the knowledge of his origins
There is no mystery. See >And don't even get me started on Groot
He was a borderline Doctor Doom monarch. Who actually pretended to be a monarch to overcompensate. He had a very defined personality, and his hippy shtick in the movie was awful.
>Gunn has taken more interest in Groot than anyone ever has
>I'm a casual, so everybody else must be too

>He was a borderline Doctor Doom monarch. Who actually pretended to be a monarch to overcompensate.
The "Lying about being a monarch" was a shitty retcon out of nowhere, seeing how during GoTG Black Bolt's brother acknowledges his royalty and wisdom.

What's canon is canon. The point is Gunn created an OC and slapped the name "Groot" on it.

>It's a Gunn OC

That Groot doesn't retain memories after 'dying'. He could be the old Groot on this turn around.

>There is no mystery. See

Whether or not he came from Halfworld does not mean he's aware of his true origins. He knows he was a science experiment and that seems to be it.

>He was a borderline Doctor Doom monarch.

Yes, Giffen's version was a shallow "arrogant noble who reluctantly helps in the end" character.

>He had a very defined personality

Hardly. There are only 8 or 9 issues where he even talks. Groot was not a well-defined character by any means, in fact hardly any of the Guardians were outside of Starlin's usual suspects, and they got the least focus out of anyone.

>I'm a casual, so everybody else must be too

Mugga, before Gunn only three writers ever even touched Groot. Kirby, Giffen, and DnA. Kirby's was a one-off villain, Giffen's didn't go anywhere, and DnA's was nothing but a dumb and redundant team tank there to save the day when convenient. Gunn made him an actual character and gave his sacrifice consequences, unlike Giffen and DnA's versions which constantly blew up and regrew in a matter of days.

I'm sorry the fact that I don't hate the movies triggers you so bad but that doesn't make me a casual.

This

>Hardly
Like you said, Groot's personality was shallow, so it was easily defined in a couple of issues. That doesn't mean it wasn't a personality. What Gunn did was create a new character and use the comic's name to steal money.
>I'm sorry the fact that I don't hate the movies triggers you so bad but that doesn't make me a casual.
Don't go around implying nobody cared for the comics just because the movie wowed you.

Y'know, I hate the "Not muh" meme, but you are living proof that it really does happen. Movie Rocket is not the same as comic Rocket. This is true of practically every comic to movie translation of a character. That doesn't mean movie Rocket isn't a terrific character. You can enjoy him blazing away with oversized guns (the laser gatling he used in GOTG 2 was bigger than he was!), you can enjoy that he looks cute running around on all fours, you can appreciate his snark humor or you can enjoy the unique expected emotional depth of the character. Or you can hate him, which is also fine but won't change the fact that this is the best written and best acted movie comic character we've seen in years and he happens to be a CGI raccoon.

>What Gunn did was create a new character and use the comic's name to steal money.

Is he still a talking tree that travels the universe with his Raccoon buddy and can reconstitute himself from a splinter? Then he's not a new character, he's very clearly based on Giffen and DnA's version. Gunn just flipped some of their personality traits.

>Don't go around implying nobody cared for the comics just because the movie wowed you.

I didn't say or imply nobody cared for the comics you ass. I fucking care for the comics, I'm just able to separate them from what Gunn does in the movies.