Admiral, we have enemy ships in sector 47!

>Admiral, we have enemy ships in sector 47!
>Okay? lmao just have the medical frigate hyperspace into that super star destroyer and blow up their whole fleet faggot
>actually better yet just have those 30 random fighters we just showed evading the shields doing that, at light speed their masses colliding with a solid body would be enough to blow up a fucking continent

Why wasn't he smart enough to figure out the hyperspace kamikaze move? Did he use his fish privilege to get his job over a more qualified woman?

*blows up every planet in the galaxy*

>Hol' up Admiral, we don't need Han to get those shields down, everyone just go into hyperspace and come out on the other side of the death star's shields!

Was Han THAT much better of a pilot than Lando and Wedge?

Y'all, sweeties, you're misisng the point...
Holdo came up with the move HERSELF. She was a tactical genius. Ackbar was just stuck in old ways of fighting. Holdo is Napoleon.

>TLJ retcons Han as Light Side Force sensitive
>Leia as Dark Side Force sensitive
>Kylo is a Light Side sensitive bad guy
>Rey is a Dark Side sensitive good guy
>Lando and Finn just black guys in space trying not to get shot because of the crazy white people shit going on

Hyperspace actually works in a way that sends you through other ships and small planets without damage. Han says as much in Ep4

The only reason Holdo collided with Snokes ship and was able to do damage was because she was close enough to collide before phasing out of realspace. It would be pretty hard to replicate a situation like this, especially if you are trying to aim at a target smaller than Snokes ship. Even the super star destroyers behind it would have been tricky targets if it wasn't for their destruction thanks to the debris from Snokes ship.

That's not to say it's IMPOSSIBLE. After all, Holdo seemed to know what she was doing, and the imperials on board clearly knew her intentions before the jump, so it's safe to say this has been attempted before relitively recently in the Star Wars universe.

You know it's sci-fi when white women inspired by SJWs are the most intelligent beings in a universe filled with all kinds of intelligent life.

Did you read Nemesis by Isaac Asimov, too?

It's a fantasy movie for 12 year olds. Portraying a band of suicide bombers as heroes doesn't work well, Tojo. Stop taking this fucking trash so seriously.

>galaxy has FTL travel for at least 1,000 years in nu-canon, had it for 50,000 or more in old
>nobody figured out that accelerating something really really fast did a lot of damage

Why didn't they develop a hyperspace missile about the size of a starfighter that did this then? You could easily get it to the correct range if you used swarms of them then have them just hyperdrive into an enemy fleet and utterly destroy it.

Once you start talking about relativistic velocity weaponry, the entire space opera big battles go to shit. Rian was a fucking hack for introducing this to SW.

>Hyperspace actually works in a way that sends you through other ships and small planets without damage. Han says as much in Ep4

I know it's Star Wars but how the fuck? Hyperpsace travel isn't magic it doesn't convert your ship into pure energy or some shit.

>Hyperspace actually works in a way that sends you through other ships and small planets without damage. Han says as much in Ep4
That's the opposite of what he says
He's wrong
>You could skip right through a star
He's telling Luke that jumping to hyperspace is something that you have to be careful about because if you fuck up your calculations you end up dead.

It's Star wars man, there really isn't a technological explanation.

I think in the EU hyperspace was literally a parallel universe or something.

>The only reason Holdo collided with Snokes ship and was able to do damage was because she was close enough to collide before phasing out of realspace.

>hyperspace right up to the death star
>leave hyperspace
>start going back into hyperspace now that you’re right next to the death star
SUCK MY FUCKING COCK

*sends out droids in starships to kamikaze your planet, a much cheaper and more effective way than using a death star*

Only incredibly large things such as stars would get in your way in hyperspce. He specifies that.

>Normally, baryonic matter in realspace would obey physical principles of relativity: it would increase asymptotically in mass as it accelerated towards the speed of light, requiring more and more energy to approach it, but even at infinite values never surpassing the speed of light threshold. Tachyonic matter, on the other hand, existed at values solely above the speed of light, and could not decrease lower than the light-speed barrier.

>Hyperdrive technology allowed sentients to bypass this barrier, making use of a trans-physical effect to create ripples in space-time. A hyperdrive-equipped ship would propel off these ripples to "jump" into hyperspace, allowing it to traverse the galaxy at speeds of hundreds or even thousands of times the speed of light.[1] Hyperspace was an alternate dimension of space-time, similar to subspace or otherspace,[2] that was coterminous with realspace: each point in realspace was associated with a unique point in hyperspace. Essentially, a ship traveling galactic north in realspace as it jumped to hyperspace would travel north in hyperspace too. Every object in realspace, like stars or planets, also had a "shadow" in hyperspace at the same location it occupied in realspace.[1]

the problem is prolly his name. having a gender studies professor suicide bomb the white supremacy is prolly better than admiral "allah" ackbar doing it

Planets are large, too, the reason they can't retreat from the second Death Star right away is because they're too close to Endor's moon and Endor itself. Gravity wells are the main thing. What's unique with Holdo is that it's two objects of somewhat comparable mass involved in the collision. We see the opposite in Rogue One where a Star Destroyer decelerating from lightspeed crashes into a Rebel ship: the larger, faster-moving ship crushes the smaller one. The opposite is apparently possible, too: a smaller ship accelerating to lightspeed can destroy an entire fleet of larger ships.
Of course, this means that now we have to start judging things by their size in Star Wars.

>A starship utilizing a hyperdrive had to go through a fixed, routine process. After the course was plotted in the navigation computer, the ship moved to the bearing matching that course and activated the hyperdrive. The ship then seemed to accelerate so rapidly that passengers within the vessel saw the stars stretched into parallel lines during the "jump" to Hyperspace. This apparent acceleration was also observable from outside the vessel, where a ship jumping to Hyperspace would appear to undergo a sudden, massive burst of speed and disappear from the physical universe. This phenomenon is referred to as pseudomotion.

>When Hyperspace is entered, the starship has left the conventional universe, or realspace. At hyperspeed, the entire visible universe is seen as a blue-shaded corridor of mottled high-speed blur, indicative of the other-dimensional nature of Hyperspace. In Hyperspace, a ship is effectively cut-off from all normal methods of scanning and detection.

>Coordinate calculation was a dangerous task, for if a vessel in hyperspace traveled too close to a black hole, star, or other gravity well, they would be forced out of hyperspace. Intrasystem hyperspace travel via "micro-jumps" was rare, but was sometimes used strategically.

>Because of the inherent dangers of hyperspatial navigation, highly traveled routes were close to inhabited systems. In the event of a navigation error or hyperdrive equipment malfunction, proximity to starports or inhabited systems meant it was unlikely one would be stranded with only sublight power and limited provisions. Usually problems came in the form of mistakes in calculating navigation coordinates or incomplete and outdated information in regard to significant gravitic bodies. Trying to find a ship that had re-entered realspace due to a malfunction or at an undetermined location was a nearly impossible task, as the many who sought the legendary Katana fleet across the vast tracts of open space learned.

>Hyperpsace travel isn't magic it doesn't convert your ship into pure energy or some shit.

The common incorrect assumption at the time in the sci-fi community is that sufficient hyperacceleration "phased" the traveling object out of tangential space, preventing physical collisions but allowing other transfers of proto-"mattenergy" (oc do not steal).

>When moving at speeds many times the speed of light, there were many dangers. While any collision or interference at this state can be potentially fatal, the effects of gravitational pull on a starship could be particularly devastating, thus a course had to be plotted outside the "mass shadow" or gravity well of large celestial bodies. This was exploited in many ways through the ages. Hyperspace courses were often plotted using a planet's mass as a backstop, with the hyperdrive's safety systems automatically stopping the ship as it reached the farthest point of possible travel.

>Hyperspace collisions, whether they be intentional or by accident, could devastate or even destroy a planet. Considering the fact that the output of the reactors of many Capital ships rivaled or eclipsed that of a star, and that the energies needed to make hyperspace travel possible were vast, one could unleash a great deal of destructive power on a target. Even if a planet had its planetary shielding up at the time of a hyperspace collision, it could still have the potential to kill millions on a world such as Coruscant just due to the fallout.[4] One of the more famous hyperspace accidents occurred during the Clone Wars, when the battlecruiser Quaestor collided with the Separatist planet Pammant, fracturing it to its core.[5]

The key here is that either Han hyperspacing through the shield or Holdo hyperspacing into the fleet is wrong. You cannot have both of these things happening in an internally consistent universe. SW became marvel tier after TLJ.

Noice. So the TLJ hacks didn't read the wookiepedia.

No, Wookieepedia changes to suit Disney now.

>Of course, this means that now we have to start judging things by their size in Star Wars.

What if it is possible to cancel the hyperjump just before the ship enters hyperspace? Nah, just a thought... I guess that pseudomotion kills this theory.

>Once you start talking about relativistic velocity weaponry, the entire space opera big battles go to shit.
It can be done well but not in Star Wars. And only if the writers devote significant energy to detailing trajectories and velocities and stuff.

They would have hired autists to write it if they wanted wiki skits.

The ships that crash into Devastator probably had their hyperdrives cancel the jump because of a massive object in the way, (a fucking Star Destroyer). This is consistent with the rest of Star Wars and EU shit.

A Rebel Transport is of comparable size different to and ISD as the Raddus was to the White Supremacy, so every single ISD should have been rammed by those pieces of shit.

>(a fucking Star Destroyer)
There's an order of magnitude of difference between Snoke's flagship and a planet. Not defending the writing but it's true.
>A Rebel Transport is of comparable size different to and ISD as the Raddus was to the White Supremacy, so every single ISD should have been rammed by those pieces of shit.
You're right, they never should have put people on them. Slave circuits are established in Heir to the Empire as a way to control ships from a distance. Apparently they don't have those 40 years after Jedi.

...

Why are you assuming an energy shield behaves the same as physical matter?

They kinda did. There was dramatic irony in Hux's order to fire everything; if she were about to ram the dreadnought at hyperacceleration, laser blasters wouldn't be fast enough to stop her.

If anything, it was mocking JJTrek's push button, receive realtime effect space piloting.

>If anything, it was mocking JJTrek's push button, receive realtime effect space piloting.
In a sequel to a film directed by JJ?

I would find the idea much less stupid if only one ship got taken out. Even a huge, Death Star like ship I can tolerate being destroyed but taking out the whole fleet is just dumb

Not a parallel universe, it's a higher-dimensional spacetime of which regular space is a subset.
That's what "hyperspace" means and it's the same in pretty much everything which uses that word for it (as opposed to just calling it "lightspeed" or "the warp" or something).

At least in older sci-fi like Star Wars anyway. Authors used to be a lot more consistent with this stuff than they are now. Nowadays everything is a cut-and-paste jumble of genre conventions cobbled together by monkeys who know far too little science to be writing "science fiction".

You know what, fuck you. Those alien guys are the only characters I can relate to.
They aren't white and they don't speak english. The blacks got their dude into a lead role, I'm happy that they put a character named Tito in it

I haven't seen the movie yet but I'm sure your just being a dickhead

Older writers used to be influenced by Asimov, Heinlein, and Clarke. So even with it being science fantasy, they'd try to let some things not be retarded. Establish some rules so that you have a consistency across the media.

>Nowadays everything is a cut-and-paste jumble of genre conventions cobbled together by monkeys who know far too little science to be writing "science fiction".
I still think we should have gotten a trilogy of Revelation Space movies instead of these new Star Wars films.

He was always more of a Star Wars guy.

kek, pretty accurate

>Hey, someone hyperspace into that bigass ship, it's okay you'll blow up half of their fleet with it for no reason

Admiral, I'm already about to take out their bridge!

Well gee faggot, would've been nice if you did that before half of our fleet got blown up

if they just sent all of our fighters to suicide on the star destroyers the rebels would have lost like 20-40 people total instead of the thousands that died when each capital ship blows up.