Good luck, Oliver. I am FIVE MILLION steps ahead of you right now

good luck, Oliver. I am FIVE MILLION steps ahead of you right now

I'm still questioning how Guggenhiem fucked up this hard. The entire rest of the cast has good chemistry. Dinah was developing into an actually good character. Church was way more engaging as an antagonist and he was boring as fuckall.

Who the hell things that all according to keikaku I outsmarted you at your own game is a good idea for literally every villain of every season of every show?

the normal villain had been done before. You can go to the normal villain and fight him any time

Prometheus is untouchable. He's playing 3D chess

So was Merlyn. So is Savitar. So was Zoom. So was Thawne.

Literally every major villain is playing 3D chess. They have no other gimmick but to be a black clad clone of the good guy but somehow know exactly where to be at all times and perfectly predict where dozens of people will be at any given moment. Half the reason Season 2 is remembered fondly despite still being awkward and full of growing pains is because Slade pulled Keikaku bullshit but had powers to back it up and a gimmick that wasn't "Oliver, but dressed in black".

Chase's entire act was old half a season ago. His character isn't engaging. His fight choreography is always incredibly simple. His one musical que is like five seconds long and set on loop. His entire backstory is "Some autist who found a second kung fu arab girl to train with". At this point his motivations don't even make sense since literally everyone on his side is avenging people who hated them except maybe Evelyn, who's shown up like twice after the reveal.

There is no memorable moment with Chase. You can't say he has anything on par with CHOOOOSE or even Ra's grabbing the sword. He's pulled his "six quintillion steps ahead" card so many times it's run together. His smug attitude where he pulls double reverse psychology is literally all he has since he's lost the fight and that only works because Guggenhiem writes everyone retarded.

I'm being serious when I ask at this point what they could possibly do with Chase to make him even remotely interesting? He threatens Olivers kid like the last villain did after he magically finds him when it was meant to be impossible. He has an army of ninjas, just like the guy before the last guy and the guy before him and the guy before him. He has Ra's pissed off morally gray daughter, which also isn't new.

Nothing about his character makes the slightest amount of sense. Why did he bother calling himself prometheus? Why does he dress like another generic ninja if he's going to theme himself after a fire guy? Why did he pick throwing stars to kill people when he always defaults to sword? Why was him killing Felicity's boyfriend such a big deal if everyone forgot 20 minutes later? Why did Evelyn switch sides after she and Oliver were cool for like a year and suddenly she has no reservations about working with a serial killer?

At least with the last three guys you could say they had super powers to justify their bullshit. Chase is literally some random guy who became a keikaku guy because he felt like it.

>Why did he bother calling himself prometheus? Why does he dress like another generic ninja if he's going to theme himself after a fire guy? Why did he pick throwing stars to kill people when he always defaults to sword? Why was him killing Felicity's boyfriend such a big deal if everyone forgot 20 minutes later? Why did Evelyn switch sides after she and Oliver were cool for like a year and suddenly she has no reservations about working with a serial killer?

Things seem confusing but you have to remember he's one hundred steps ahead so there's no way to predict why he did any of those things

He's just the best, I love him

I know that the writers never bothered to think but that kind of underscores the many, MANY problems with this show. This entire thing feels like them lazily flinging shit at the wall to see what sticks.

>"One of the new guys is evil, do people care? One of the other guys is gone. do people care? Which of the two mysterious murder ninjas to people care about slightly more? Ok lets drop the other one and make up something quickly. Do people care about the Russian stuff? No, ok fuck Russia."

I never thought I'd miss Damian Dark's balding dad joke routine but somehow I do.

He's a better season big bad than Damian Dahrk was

At the very least Oliver won't beat him using the power of light magic

He really isn't. Damian at least had a consistent reason for being able to beat Oliver. He has magic powers and nobody else does except for one person who's clearly weaker and can't be around, and one dude who's around even less. There's a reason to be afraid of him.

Chase is literally just some autist. He doesn't have any reason to regularly outplay five people who've been doing this twice as long as he has. He doesn't have the super strength or resources to actually beat them. He doesn't have a magic wand to wave to justify it. He just suddenly spawns an army of those guys that aren't supposed to be an army, for vague reasons. That sniper who was already trained on him misses three point blank shots while he's lying perfectly still at short range for no real reason. He can somehow track people better than every specialist in the world because the plot demands he somehow escalate things with a child who's somehow more of a liability than any of Han Solo's four kids.

What the fuck is even Oliver's plan at this point? Show up with three people that have more motivation to turn on him than literally any other group of villains, including the one who already turned on him, two of which are at best only slightly above random mooks?

you're an autist

Anatoly in two episodes was a more interesting and menacing villain than Prometheus was throughout the whole season.

>Damian Dahrk
Don't fucking remind me of that loser.
>menacing for like two episodes before being reduced to pretty much comic relief villain
>supposed to be Ra's Al Ghul's equal, but gets his ass kicked by a couple of niggers in prison
>inconsistently written fighting skills in general.
It'll never stop being funny how he went "oh, I was a member of the League of Assassins" in the final fight and held Oliver on the ropes for most of the fight, even though in their previous encounter Oliver mopped the floor with him, not to mention the aforementioned prison scene.

>b-but he relied on magic too heavily and his skills withered
Headcanon bullshit excuse for bad writing.

I think he says that shit just to toy with Oliver. He is doing some pretty rudimentary shit. Besides, isn't his whole schtick suppose to be like the personification of Ollie''s past coming back to haunt him? So he is pretty much a call back to all of Ollie's previous foes.

that's why prometheus is best villain.

he broke the anatoly-ollie friendship.
he's insane. asking for naming logic is pointless.

Yeah, because he developed as a character and has something to actually say about other characters besides repeating the same autistic line about WE'RE THE SAME.

That's the problem though. He does rudimentary shit because CW heroes literally never fucking learn and will always make the exact same mistakes every time. Chase's argument of them being the same was barely even believable before and they've dragged it on as the only thing he has going for him.

Why the fuck is Chase even about Ollie's past? He wasn't there. His dad wasn't even remotely an innocent guy caught in the middle since the list was about a doomsday device to kill people. Saying they're the same means you have to ignore literally everything that's gone on for the last four seasons.

I mean does it even matter if Chase is there anymore. Talia is more than capable of the "my dad is evil and I must avenge him" shtick and has an ACTUAL connection to Oliver's past.

>Chase is literally some random guy who became a keikaku guy because he felt like it.


so like batman?

seriously, why is it that it only applies to batman but if everyone else does it (infinite steps ahead, goes to train in some remote part of the globe and become a bad-ass, cool toys), they become a gary/villain sue?

deathstroke beating the league? villain sue
batman beating the league exactly like deathstroke did? bad-ass!

>he's insane. asking for naming logic is pointless.

Half the shit on that list doesn't even have anything to do with Chase. Felicity barely acknowledges her dead boyfriend. Evelyn has no motivation either.

You can say Chase is insane and I'd buy it, but everyone AROUND Chase is acting the exact same way and he has like three other people following him with the same motivations.

This isn't about Batman. Batman isn't here.

It's not even smart when Batman does it that way. Usually because he's the protagonist at least they have him handwave it with some lines about how he arrived at some insane logical conclusion. Chase gets there and the only explanation is A SEXTILLION STEPS AHEAD.

but isn't that exactly like batman?

sextillion steps ahead = plans, prep time, the whole works.

>Dinah was developing into an actually good character
Where? She was consistently boring due to being shoved into the back. Just like Laurel, because Guggenhack can't write good Black Canary

Zooz never had keikaku, he was a creature of impulse. Savitar had his history preordained.

Merlyn spent more keikakus on helping Oliver, his own plan had only one twist, it being that there was a SECOND bomb.

As for Prometheus, Guggie made an atmospheric villain, and Segarra plays him well, but just like Zooz, he should have been dealt with already, with Talia or Anatoly being the final villain.

Gug's trying to compensate by making a huge ensemble of chicks on Team Prometheus and bringing back old favourites.

Final twist is probably Slade KEEPIN HIS PROMISES regarding Felicity

He literally explained while he called himself Prometheus.

how is he so far ahead?

Who would you have rather had as the final villain than Zoom?

>Talia
Biggest waste of the season. We're supposed to believe that she trained both Oliver and Prometheus, yet she never does anything badass.

With the previous teachers like Slade, Yao Fei or Katana's husband you at least got the feeling that they're badass mentor figures. Talia is the end teacher but she herself showed no skill above the show's version of Komodo. (who was also a huge waste, by the way).

Talia's backing

Is there any villain with a less compelling motivation than Chase?

Slade.

Why are his throwing stars even fatal?

90% of the time they hit non-vital areas and don't dig in deep enough to do any real damage.

>Prometheus
>"Prometheus is in Arrow? Huh, interesting"
>Look up image
>Find this
>Feel good about having dropped Arrow years ago
Thanks for that, bruv.

Damien Darhk.
>HURR PEOPLE ARE EVIL KILL ALL PEOPLE
I would've bought that had they shown us something like him seeing atrocities humans are capable of like bombing civilians or gruesome mass murders and slowly developing disdain for humankind or something like that, but there was none of that. He was evil for the sake of evil.

Is Vigilante gonna show up in the finale?

Season 3 & 4 was bad, it's undeniable
But they definitely improved tremendously with season 5 and it's pretty much going full circle now in the finale

Got me hoping it was Tommy (with Flashpoint) behind the mask until the twist reveal

>tfw hypetrain is back after so long

Wut? You guys hate Prometheus now? but why

Wait, hol up, I see Manta back there. What aren't you telling me, user?

I don't hate him

The actor plays a great psychopath, and his superpower is to be 10 steps ahead

>He doesn't know about the Black Manta meme from S1
Ah, good times

>So was Merlyn. So is Savitar. So was Zoom. So was Thawne.

Savitar maybe because he's a temporal duplicate of Barry, but the rest no. Prometheus knows every move Ollie will make because he knew who he was all along and had years of preparation.

It would have been better if Talia just trained Prometheus and never met Ollie. Then they could justify Prometheus' skill a little as Talia is a legendary figure in the DC universe. Ollie has been trained by too many.

But did he account for Captain Boomerang?