why did Rian decide against featuring a lightsaber duel in Ep. 8?
a solid duel between Luke and Kylo Ren that ended with Kylo Ren winning - demonstrating he is a powerful villian to be taken seriously - whether he fights a Force projection or not, Luke dies a hero's death as the remaining Resistance fighters escaped.
movie fixed
hell, have Snoke tell the red guards to leave when Kylo arrives with Rey, have Snoke realize Kylo Ren will not kill Rey, so he uses his strength with the Force to freeze Kylo while he toys with Rey, then a lightsaber duel between Rey and Snoke occurs, with Kylo mustering up the strength to free himself and slice Snoke in half from behind.
Star Wars just isn't Star Wars unless there are lightsabers clashing and no amount of telling people to let the past die will change that.
thoughts?
Nathan Perez
what was the reason for him projecting himself?
like he could have straight used some force shield ability, or fucking deflected those laser shots, or fucking used some super force fu and disabled all those walkers.
but no, we want to show 2 suns setting.
Luis Williams
The entire movie is actually meta as fuck, and a genius take on the star wars universe. Johnson masterfully subverts your expectations and the lack of lightsaber clashes is one of the ways he accomplishes that
Connor Bennett
>implying fixing what isn't broken can be justified by aiming for subversion
Oliver Reyes
it's even more noteworthy when you consider Force projections tap into the dark side
Aiden Campbell
I thought the lightsaber usage was pretty appropriate. The problem is everything else in the movie though.
Dylan Jackson
>demonstrating he is a powerful villian to be taken seriously
Even if he solo'd the entire rebel army, nobody would be able to take him seriously
Christopher Lewis
A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack.
Snoke's body isn't physically able to perform well in a physical fight with lightsabers
Xavier Watson
yeah the legend luke skywalker blown to bits or alternatively defeated by a dark side user in battle. That"ll inspire the galaxy....fucking brainlet
Benjamin Brooks
>heh we'll subvert your expectations by giving you something shittier
Zachary Kelly
way to show the worst lightsaber fight in the history of saber fights desu
Juan Murphy
>why did Rian decide against featuring a lightsaber duel in Ep. 8? Rey would need to lose a limb to balance out her being a mary sue. If she won another lightsaber battle it would make her more of a mary sue. Best course of action is to not have a lightsaber battle.
Benjamin Baker
Obiwan uses the force to reverse the mechanical hand on an unsuspecting Anakin/Grievous when they relaxed their guards.
Camden Butler
I'm actually surprised they didn't do this so Rey would appeal to disables girls too while rehashing Empire
Daniel Phillips
This. Everyone complains about lightsaber battles being nothing but swinging at air. So he made a lightsaber battle that was literally nothing but swinging at air. Pure kino.
Nathaniel White
Given they had Snoke outright say Kylo lost to an untrained girl, how could Kylo win against Luke?
He's supposedly one of the worst at light saber combat ( novel )
Brandon Hernandez
you cant cut off her limb because then you'll be accused of copying the ot and the prequels.
Mason Barnes
Can't have a fucking white male maim Rey. The force is female, sweetie.
Jeremiah Wilson
It's a fine movie decision, but a weird Star Wars decision. Skipping a lightsaber duel is, in the abstract, a good idea if you have other things you want to tend to. Like if you wanted to focus on character development, or you wanted the feel of a "quiet" movie in the middle of the trilogy, or something like that, then yeah, skip the lightsaber duel. But it's a weird Star Wars decision because Star Wars movies are at heart adventure movies, and lightsaber fights are cool adventure things. They're iconic cool adventure things. With that in mind, maybe it's not a good idea to skip one.
Well, and in reality it was a bad decision either way because they removed the lightsaber duel so they could spend the screentime on garbage and other, less satisfying lightsaber action scenes.
Cooper White
They could take a leg. Anakin lost an arm. Luke lost a hand. Rey could lose a foot and it would be original.
Leo Hill
I refuse to believe Rey has lightsaber and stalf combat skills while never actually learning a single thing or training.
There's is literally no way one would just automatically know stances, weigh and balance, all the thrusts and shit she does against Kylo
They set her up to be Han and Leia's daughter I swear to god and Rian said fuck that
Alexander Lewis
>implying we need to inspire the fucking galaxy
Everything has been going the Rebellion's way, why do we keep following the same shit? OH THE FIRST ORDER/EMPIRE HAVE A NEW WEAPON? BACKUP PLAN BACKUP PLAN BACKUP PLAN until they ultimately win.
Carson Edwards
Will we ever get just good story telling and good characters again?
When does the diversity and progress end and they just go back to not giving a shit about race and gender and politics in fucking star wars.
Jonathan Brown
>swords made of light
>fights are slow paced like characters are using 40lbs metal swords
The one thing the prequels did right were fun fast paced fights.
Blake Brown
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Jacob Campbell
Maul had cybernetic legs for a time ( gets actual legs later ) If only they'd hire Cin Drallig for Episode IX's lightsaber fight
Samuel Garcia
>Will we ever get just good story telling and good characters again? >When does the diversity and progress end and they just go back to not giving a shit about race and gender and politics in fucking star wars.
TLJ was while Trump was upsetting the leftists and then after he won. The movie is a product of the political climate during the time.
Ep9 might be a bit better but if Trump tweets something particularly upsetting while they're writing the script or during filming we might get more heavy handed political messages.
Nathaniel Davis
They actually project plasma circulating inside a electromagnetic field, so they supposed to handle like a giant grinder
James Young
This. Also, part of the reason Luke projected was to confront Kylo peacefully. If Luke would have presented Kylo a chance to kill him, and even further cement his path into the dark side, that would have defeated the other part of his purpose.
Isaac Morales
>If you kill your enemy, they win
Adrian Lee
He could deflect all the bolts and turret fire back at the AT-ATs like Ki Adi Mundi only much faster. No reason for him to disappear.
Blake Johnson
i will make a shitty movie about how great shitty movies are. noone can ever criticize it without idiots telling them that its just 2meta4u
Matthew Howard
>then a lightsaber duel between rey and snoke occurs
Xavier Wright
Luke losing to Ren would make Luke look even worse
Adrian Russell
Just stick to the christmas special.
Dylan Evans
Because lightsaber duels belong to the prequels. And Disney is afraid of the prequels. That's why the couple times we did have them they were slow and boring.
Carter Hall
Luke wins the lightsaber fight and then slams Kylo up the new FO walker. Obi did the same to a 160kg Grievous.
Alexander Rodriguez
>defeated only by the next generation male with Skywalker blood, his nephew, who he failed as a master, when Luke is older and a hermit and Kylo is getting stronger
seems ok to me
Adrian Cruz
It'd be fine if he didn't lose to Rey who was untrained and Kylo showed some badassery
Jose Hill
The idea of subverting expectations is good but the execution leaves a lot to be desired.
I feel like a lot of the people defending this movie are more defending the concepts of the movie rather than the actual movie.
Elijah Turner
Because it’s time for the Jedi to end.
James Scott
a 90 second duel could easily fit in a 150 minute movie.
Angel Baker
Laser deflection doesn't seem to have been Ki Adi Mundi's greatest talent.
Alexander Russell
Han and Leia's daughter? So Kylo's sister?
Bentley Torres
>ywn see something like the Battle of Geonosis in theaters again
Easton Russell
no, it was to buy time for Leia and the rest to escape. Literally right before walking out to face the First Order, Luke and Leia discuss how Ben is too far gone and he's not coming back to the light
Sebastian Ross
did you forget that Rey tried to attack Snoke with Kylo's lightsaber in the film?