It's over

even my normie friends notice the terrible writing and plot holes in this movie. Say good bye to your job kathleen :)

Do your friends know that you call them "normies" online behind their backs? What kind of "friend" would do that?

there is nothing inherently wrong with being a normie

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Aside from just liking it for being entertaining (which is fine), I can't wrap my head around how even normies would be excited for 9. We already know Rey's the most ridiculously powerful jedi ever and will beat Kylo Ren without a scratch, so literally who fucking cares.

What happened between TFA and TLJ? I mean TFA was an abomination that destroyed SW, an awful parody with a Mary Sue lead and old cast in arrested development. Why did it take 2 films for normies to realize.

When I went to see TLJ in theatres with my friends, we expected it to be packed because it was on a Friday night, prime time, 2nd week. The theatre was half empty and there was dead silence at 99% of the jokes, the only time anyone laughed was when Rey was retarded and thought a branch was the Force. By the end of the movie there was faint applause when the credits rolled, but all the "epic" stuff was met with dead air because people just wanted it to be over.
Everyone walked out complaining about how dumb it was. My friends in particular were confused and furious at all the shitty writing and awful characters.
This movie will go down as one of the all-time blunders.

i'm a normie myself. I believe fast and furious is one of the greatest movies of all time

TFA was a shit movie but people got caught up in the hype because it was Star Wars, a cultural icon, being revived for the new generation. So they ate it up because of the HYPE but then you saw people cooling off really fast when the hype wore off and the shittiness of the movie couldn't be ignored.
I believe a lot of people who "loved" TFA never saw the original trilogy or just caught it on reruns on TV or something. They're mostly college kids who don't understand WHY people liked Star Wars back then, only that it's a big deal. So after TFA they learned more about Star Wars, and when TLJ rolled in, by then they had some understanding of what Star Wars was. Enough to know, that TLJ is not it.

All my friends loved it (we saw it night of premier)
When i brought up all the shitry parts of the movie the defense of it was "just turn your brain off"

If you think this will get Kathleen Kennedy fired from her job you have another thing coming. Expect her to stay head if Lucas films, expect epi. 9to double down ten times worse then TLJ, expect a fat black lesbian jedi and other cringey shit.

TFA sucked but it was acceptable slop for normies.

>he thinks being called a normie is an insult

I'm a real normie and I know you don't believe that
If you said something like Predator or Fifth Element or something I'd believe you

That sums it up well. There's nothing that acts as a hook. You go into Episode VI knowing Luke will have to contront Vader again knowing he's his father, we need a conclusion to Han's imprisonment, we need to know more about "No, there is another" with Leia even if that didn't amount to much either. We also know the Rebels are doing fine because we see a fleet at the end.

You go into Episode III knowing it'll be about the Clone Wars, but mostly about Anakin's fall and how the Empire takes over. Also that Anakin's gotta knock Padme up at some point for Luke and Leia to be born before he turns.

What has the Last Jedi set up? That the nuRebels have been whittled down to a dozen losers on a modified cargo ship with plot armor. There's no one to rescue, there's no need for any of these people to even continue the fight. They could just go home and raises families because they're lost. So, we know we're going to get some kind of asspull fleet and that Rey will defeat Kylo maybe losing her left hand at the worst. Real exciting shit.

I remember people staying hyped after Episodes II and III. Sure as you grow older you notice the bad acting, but the films aren't fundamentally fucked at their core. They're often dumb and goofy, but harmless.

Surprisingly, what seems to have pissed the normies the most was the CantoBight subplot with Rose and Finn. Even normies realized this part was for the token black and asian character. It's like they have their own movie inside the movie, LOL

That entire act is an homage to The Phantom Menace. I actually liked it a lot. The chase sequence was boring, but the Awakened kids and the vibe of the casino was comfy.

It was literally a pointless subplot that didn't matter with two useless characters, and it introduced arguably the worst new character. Everything about Rose and her shit subplot were fucking terrible.

A bald assertion isn't an argument. I've already refuted your representation based arguments. Give me something else.

Except Menace’s ‘detour’ scene equivalent on Tatooine was genuinely great. It’s engaging, fun, yes it’s goofy too but it has an odd charm to it that keeps you hooked. Also it isn’t forcing an animal rights message after literally murdering dozens of endangered birds during filming through the helicopters used to film the Ach-To scenes.
During the Canto Bight sequence most of the normies in my theatre whipped out their phones within 2 minutes then put them away when the interesting but still shit stuff resumed.

I didn't find anything inherently wrong with Rose apart from her unattractiveness. She exemplifies the exact same ideals as Farm Boy Luke - strong desire for justice, the belief in heroes among us, and stubborn. The "I want to punch a whole through this town" line is a direct callback to Luke wanting to join the flight academy. She was miscast, but the role itself is totally in line with the rest of the characters in my point of view.

Can someone please post the ancient jedi texts scene? I'm asking for a friend.

Normie detected

Luke had no desire for justice, he just wanted to get the fuck off the family farm. Even when he wanted to leave with Ben, he just said "there's nothing for me here now."

He specifically says he wants to join up with Biggs to fight the Empire.

In a boring cut scene, which means jack shit.

>This whole reply

you arent a normie lool

Lucas put it back in himself.

Kathleen is protected, that's why all the directors are nobodies. So when the failures hit they have someone to throw under the bus

I enjoy that the reaction from the media and Disney for how bad it was is "its just trolls" or "they don't see how fresh and exciting it is". If you they really want to pull the whole pc agenda would it not make sense to at least write the characters better and relatable? Why does ever good review doesn't address the flaws and is usually 3 sentence long or repeats the same for a paragraph? Why does it feel like there has been no real reaction from disney on these problems instead of brushing them off?

no normie knows what the fuck predator is

Part of the issue is that being PC means they have to discard most of what people have discovered over the centuries people find pleasing in narratives.

Writing a feminist military commander who doesn't perpetuate patriarchy or toxic masculinity really isn't easy.

Disney is in PROMOTE PROMOTE PROMOTE stage because the movie is still out and people are watching those numbers. They're still trying to sell as many tickets to The Last Jedi as they can. In about 4 months, they'll start admitting that there were faults with the movie, but it'll be in the context of
>HAN SOLO MOVIE COMPLETELY ADDRESSES THEM AND IS A RETURN TO FORM. IT LOOKS LIKE THEY LISTENED TO THE FANS
Mark my words. Only they'll turn around again during Blu-Ray release time and say "Wow, upon watching TLJ a second time on Blu-Ray, it's really not that bad!" Because the shills have no spines.

Rey teaches them to become Jedi. Since Daisy declined to act in the trilogy that follows this one, there's a chance she could die

A 60 year old guy at my cinema volunteer place who hasnt seen all the others said he found the ending to this confusing and didnt like broomboi.

So even an older guy has patritian taste

No, her character was absolute garbage, and I will explain why.
First off, the new trilogy already suffers from not really knowing what to do with Finn. He is a lowly janitor, who for whatever reason is taken along on a hugely important mission, and he ends up defecting because he can't take the violence. This hints at a serious, conflicted nature. However, he immediately starts gunning down dozens of Stormtroopers, which comes off as very strange. He is also retconned to be the strongest at Stormtrooper School but was demoted to janitor because he was too nice or whatever. Whose ass did they pull that out of?
But the general portrait they paint of Finn is that he's a guy who wants to do the right thing, but he cannot overcome his cowardly nature, even as he sinks deeper and deeper into the role of a freedom fighter. He struggles with this in all of TFA, somewhat poorly, and continues to do so now. But then he decides that there are things worth protecting greater than his own life. He decides to give his life for the Rebellion. He flies right at that miniaturized Death Star butthole cannon ready to die, having become a true hero... then Diversity Bitch rams into him. A move that could have easily killed them all. And then she says the cheesiest line in the whole movie, that they're going to win by saving what they love, not destroying what they hate... as the doors explode directly behind her and the Empire gets ready to pour in and murder everyone.

It's the dumbest moment in the whole fucking movie and it denied an already established character a proper arc, so that this shit new character could make a move. She literally made an existing character worse and reset his arc.
And she's also "diversity hire uneasy janitor who becomes a fighter." That's Finn's role. They already had Finn, they didn't need Rose.
And then there's how the whole Canto Bight plot was pointless, a 30 minute waste of time, during which all she did was grandstand.

She was shit.

Totally agree. People like stories about men rescuing damsels in distress.

shut up and drink your milk, sweetie

>IT'S AWESOME AND THE ALT WHITE TROLLS HATE THIS BECAUSE IT HAS A HEROIC BLACK LEAD AND ALL THE WOMAN GET SHIT DONE

>Implying they're not going to throw the White Male Director and Writer under the bus for TLJ
Rian was stupid enough to even brag about the fact that he wrote it all, that Lucasfilms gave him full control of where the story was going, and even admitted the studio was making it all up as they go and gave him their consent for whatever idea wanted to put in for TLJ.

>drinking tit milk from a creature
>Best performance

1) Finn has inside knowledge of First Order stuff. There's plenty of reason for him to come along.
2) Rose saved them all because if the cannon hadn't fired, the cavern in the back wouldn't have been shaken open. Poe was right, it was a pointless move. It infuriates me that people complain about too much "tell and not show" and the one fucking time Johnson showed but didn't tell, nobody fucking followed the logical progression of scenes and events.

Also, Finn ran away because he had the beacon and didn't want to lead Rey right into a trap. This is literally said several times in the movie. He's not conflicted, he's heroic to a fault.

Daniel Craig had a cameo as "And I'll drop my gun" stormtrooper in TFA. They should have asked him for help with writing Ep 7 since he had to jump in and help finish writing QoS due to the writer's strike.

Kylo should have at least beaten Rey once to show he's a goddamn threat to Rey, and that Rey still needs to fucking train if she ever wants to beat him in the next film. Seriously, Rian, how the hell could miss that important aspect of the film if you're going to make Kylo the next main villain and leader of the FO, but he already lost to Rey once and is going to lose to her again in the third film?

>Rose saved them all because if the cannon hadn't fired, the cavern in the back wouldn't have been shaken open
What Christian vs Muslim debate is this from?

This guy's detestable

So then why not have Finn bring up the tracking technology on his own, discuss it with Poe, and then reluctantly agree to go on the mission with just BB8? You wouldn't need Rose and Finn would be taking a more active role. Maybe the Del Toro character could have had more screentime and interaction with Finn, fleshing him out and making him feel less random and pointless too. Rose was a dead fucking weight.

>HURRRR ROSE SAVED THEM ALL BECAUSE THE CANNON SHOOK THE SHIT OPEN

First off, she had no idea that would happen.
Second, YOU have no idea that's what happened. For all you know, the opening was always there. For all you know, Rose also doomed them all because the cannon firing could have caused those rocks to cover the exit. Stop making excuses for this shitty character.

They won't kill her. There will be another timeskip between 9 and 10 so they can cast someone else as an older Rey who has a successful Jedi Academy that won't fail because it's Rey not Luke.

> Luke Skywalker the hero of the universally beloved Star Wars OT is now reduced to milking a figure that resembles "[...] a guy sobbing in his La-Z-Boy with a beer".

This is the current stage affairs.

Crystal critters couldn't leave until the cannon fired (they are shown leaving the next scene after it did).
BB-8 did not show any exits before the blast.
The cannon is a shockwave weapon, as shown in the blown out windows in the inner room.
The cannon's shockwave opened the exit for them.
If it hadn't fired, they'd still be stuck in the cave, Finn would be dead, and the cannon would just fire up again.

>Rose saved them all because if the cannon hadn't fired, the cavern in the back wouldn't have been shaken open
What the fuck? the cavern in the back was CLOSED due to a fucking cave-in that Rey had to move with the force that was likely caused by the cannon impact. Rose stopping herself from preventing the cannon's destruction would have allowed the Rebels to escape without Luke sacrificing himself.

One of the main points of the movie is that trying to do things on your own without help works against your favor most of the time. Plus a subplot with just Finn sounds boring as hell.

>La-Z-Boy
Is this Hollywood talk?

>normie
quickest way to spot a normalfag cunt from reddit

>Crystal critters couldn't leave until the cannon fired (they are shown leaving the next scene after it did).
That is not evidence that they COULDN'T leave until the cannon fired, only that they did so, as would any animal scared out of its wits by a massive fucking explosion
>BB-8 did not show any exits before the blast.
Does BB-8 have the ability to magically map all the tunnels in the mountain from the entrance? At best he could have only checked old Rebel data and found none and the old Rebels that used the base may not have known about it either

The cannon's shockwave CLOSED their only exit and opened their only entrance, it fucked them over doubly

What was the cinematic reason for the blown out window and the crystal critters sticking around then? To tell the truth, Luke's stalling seemed to be a double edged-sword as it seems it was the barrage Kylo ordered that caused the secondary collapse Rey had to move (although this is extreme conjecture as we're not shown anything to corroborate this, unlike the shockwave cannon/crystal critters time of escape).

>Plus a subplot with just Finn sounds boring as hell.
He meets Phasma and Phasma teaches him why the Resistance is bad and brainwashes him to go back. He then seeks out a deadly trap on Leia and confronts Rey. Rey is forced to kill him but Finn somehow zaps her back with the force.

Thoughts?

Noticed

>Thoughts?
Stick to your day job.

>What was the cinematic reason for the blown out window and the crystal critters sticking around then?
There 'were' none, i think you're reading too far into plot details so subtle they don't actually exist within the mind of the director/script-writers

So how is a subplot with Finn + annoying as fuck SJW character any better? Are you this much of a brainlet?

You realize Disney has to pay for CGI and broken window props, right? They don't just put "unnoticeable" shit like that in for giggles.

I think its a brand of chairs or couches. Joey from Friends had one iirc

Because it evoked The Phantom Menace, furthered the theme of failure being the best teacher, gave Finn something interesting to do, and created a new generation of bright-eyed hopefuls - not only in Rose's analogy to young Luke, but in the generation of Force-Awakened kids.

>Disney
>has to pay
Disney is so rich they could build their own IRL Death Star, you expect me to believe they'd care about over-expensive props? They don't give a fuck about the budget, shit like that would barely be a blip on their radar.

Finn could have done all that shit on his own, retard.

You have normal friends? Please provide some evidence before you make some outrageous claims. Also, Kathleen Kennedy won't even be remotely hurt by losing her job on Star Wars. You know how many films she produced? She even produced total critical flops like The Last Airbender and yet she remains standing strong.

>Because it evoked The Phantom Menace

yeah you're right she was like jar jar chinks
get the fuck out of here

Seems I touched a button. Continue on in your echo chamber, boys.

Finn got cockblocked by that Asian chick when he tried to An Hero

The point is that he's not a soldier. He cares more about his friend than he does about the cause, and is still enough of a coward to bail (for friendship!) at the earliest opportunity. I think it's an idea in-line with his earlier presentation, but it doesn't help unmuddle the disjointed themes or character arcs of the film.

Johnson killed just about all storytelling potential that The Force Awakens setup. Apologists for Abrams' movie banked on the sequel tying up lose ends (aka bad writing) and Johnson choose to cut ties with just about everything. No satisfying answers for the origins of Snoke, Rey's parentage, what transpired between ROTJ and TFA, or how Maz acquired Anakin's lightsaber. And, on top of all of this, they decided to character assassinate the one element people were looking forward to: Luke Skywalker. So now TFA feels pointless (as well as the entire OT) and TLJ leaves nothing interesting left to explore besides Reylo maybe. This trilogy is a mess on all fronts. That's not even getting into the horrid writing, terrible pacing, and shameless social politics this movies dishes out.

It pretty much failed at the box office too. Earned literally half of what it was expected to earn.

I highly doubt you watched the movie and paid attention all the way through.

Her character's role was fine, but the movie didn't have anything good/interesting for her to do, and consequently, just with the Casino, she amounted to a waste of screentime. Not a bad character, just a bad role to have been given in the story.

>i hate this movie

Cool story bro

Mark's 15 or so minutes in Brigsby Bear was superior to TLJ. He really doesn't have much to emote there and what he does is laughable

>the SACRED Jedi TEXTS

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I swear Jews just make people hate them for some sick reason or they think they can be mean dickheads forever until someone freaks out and shoots grenades at their house, then they just call 'anti-semitism' and mourn the dead until things calm down and then dick the fuck out once more.

Meeting Phasma is good and much overdue. It opens up a lot of interesting directions the story and characters can take.
She could be the one to say "Weapons dealers sell to both sides" and try to tempt Finn back, saying some crap about how "We provide order". Unlike Rey, who Snoke wants to use as fodder for Kylo Ren, Finn could be the one offered actual, substantial temptation -- maybe you do have him confront Leia. Maybe there's a little tension on if he actually fell for Phasma's temptaion. It's the best way to integrate and make use of Finn's unique backstory -- way better than having him run around some fucking Casino.

Everything else you said was garbage, though.

fly off a bridge Sup Forums autisto

I thought you already had a containment general

Did the scale of everything bother anyone? At least the prequels gave sense of a conflict spanning the galaxy. Everything feels so limited in scale.

Definitely. There are like 20 people in the resistance, destroying one system apparently crippled the entire Republic, and there are NO FUCKING ALIENS REEEE