Why are jedis always shown as complete shit fighters compared to the sith? why does anyone actually like the jedis?

why are jedis always shown as complete shit fighters compared to the sith? why does anyone actually like the jedis?

how did the jedis maintain order for 100,000 years if they couldnt even fight?

examples:
>qui gon & obi wan couldnt even 2v1 darth maul
>emperor killed like 8 jedi masters in 2 hits during the mace windu confrontation
>all those jedi "masters" that got killed by literal grunts when order 66 went out
>anakin & obi wan only beat count dooku by sheer luck
>yoda couldnt beat dooku
>general grievus is a literal droid and managed to kill atleast 8 jedis (he's holding 8 lightsabers)
>obi wan got killed by darth vader after not even putting up a fight
>obi wan couldnt beat jango fet
>yoda couldnt defeat the emporer
>rey couldnt defeat literally average guards in snokes room
>luke dies on an island for no reason

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>disproves your theory

wtf i hate jedis now!

Because they have to show that the good guys are less bloodthirsty than the bad guys.
And then they proceed to show that the good guys doesn't have any honors and prefers on ganging up their opponent.

Because the Jedi are big city bureaucrats who only carry weapons as a matter of tradition.

grevious is not a droid

Starkiller was only ever able to beat Vader as a Jedi.

>why are jedis always shown as complete shit fighters compared to the sith?

Because they are. In fact, by the time of the prequel, Jedi who can actually fight are an extreme rarity (hence the many Jedi who get cut down in Clone Wars). Many Jedi only practiced the martial arts as a form of meditation.

>why does anyone actually like the jedis?

They were an important piece of the Galactic Republic, an organization that successfully liberated the galaxy from the Sith many millenia ago, and then successfully preserved peace and prevented war until the present day

>How did the jedis maintain order for 100,000 years if they couldnt even fight?

The Jedi were a neutral third party who could help arbitrate disputes, were held to incredibly high moral standards, and their meditations and powers in the force gave them great perspective into the thoughts of others as well as their own biases. They used diplomacy.

The jedi are based on samurai, and the samurai were shit fighters with omgcool swords.

>an organization that successfully liberated the galaxy from the Sith many millenia ago

Is the Old Republic even canon anymore?

>how did the jedis maintain order for 100,000 years if they couldnt even fight?

well, according to the prequels they're not really that great at it. when put to the test they failed.

would've been an interesting question for luke to ask in the sequels, it almost sounded like he would be against the jedi when he talked about them having a history of failure, but then rey is a jedi for no good reason and he turns around on it too.

I don't know, all I know is the republic at the time of the prequels had been established hundreds of thousands of years prior; formerly as a strong centralized government with a standing army; which slowly eroded over time into the loose UN confederation with No Army we see by the time of the movies without a thread to unite them.

A thousand generations... a generation is about 20 years, not 100.

This.
Only rural and suburban retards voted to dissolve the Galactic Senate.

no one cares about non canon characters mate

Maybe because there's hundreds of Jedi and only two Sith. You don't get to be one unless you kick some serious ass.

Kylo isn't a Sith, he is a Knight of Ren.

George Lucas was pretty involved with it.

because the prequels are full of shit

>Kylo isn't a Sith, he is a Knight of Ren.
as much as this seems like splitting hairs this is an important distinction. The last true sith were Vader and Palpatine. It's even noted that Snoke himself was not a sith and could not have taught any of their arts to the Knights of Ren.

Not even the inquisition in Star Wars: Rebels were sith, something Vader derided them for even though he trained them

>why are jedis always shown as complete shit fighters compared to the sith?


Because when Sith fight, they fight to kill. Jedi combat revolves around defensive tactics.


>how did the jedis maintain order for 100,000 years if they couldnt even fight?

1000, not 1000, 000. And they could fight. They were the best paramilitary force that the Galaxy had ever seen. It's how they were able to maintain 1000 years of peace. The Sith Empire ultimately couldn't beat them, the Mandalorians couldn't beat them.


>jedis

Please stop that.

>The Sith Empire ultimately couldn't beat them, the Mandalorians couldn't beat them.

What made the clone troopers so great?

Close proximity, trust, superior numbers and the element of surprise.

im confused ,werent the clone troopers created during the clone wars? or did they have a different paramilitary force before the clone wars?

Mandalorians would have beat the Jedi order if not for Bao-Dur's engineering

did palpatine even need anakin? like he wanted an apprentice but it seems like the jedi order would have crumbled without anakin even doing a single thing

You forgot:

>Luke only beat Vader by tapping into the dark side, and Vader wasn't even trying to kill him

>im confused ,werent the clone troopers created during the clone wars?

They were created for the way.

>or did they have a different paramilitary force before the clone wars?

Yeah. They were called Jedi Knights. But there weren't enough to be an army. Hence the Clones.

He needed a friend who didn't suck up to him once he was the all-powerful god emperor.

>Mandalorians would have beat the Jedi order if not for Bao-Dur's engineering

Not the fanfiction Mandalorians. The real Mandalorians.

nah revan would have beat them without the MSG. he used it to also decimate his own people who werent 100% with him. thats who got sent to malachor, and is why he was absent from the battle

Balance of the Force, nigga. Basically Darth Bane found one weird trick known as the 'Rule of Two' that distilled the power and secrets of the Dark Side into two, and just two, individuals versus the tens and thousands of mediocre Jedi running around. Strictly speaking the Jedi could never truly win in a random encounter against the Sith unless the Force itself decides that the Dark Side had enough fun for the day and 'intervenes' to correct the balance between the two sides.

That's why the Sith facerape Jedi in just about every fight and why their nefarious schemes were always incredibly effective. It's like chain fence twenty feet high and a thousand miles long being compromised by a pair of bolt cutters.

But...she did. Kylo was the one needing assistance at the end.

people initially liked the jewdi because they are framed as the heroes, the good guys, and since most people do not want to favor the "villain" they will automatically follow what the story tells them: the jewdi are good, because they protec, and the sith are evil murderers who attac.

it's not hard to understand you fucking brainlet

damn now that you think about it, episode 3 could have happened exactly the same without anakin. palatine could just order 66 and have star destroyers blast the jedi temple to ruins

its hella dramatic tho with anakin being muh traitor


and palpatine needed an apprentice

And someone had to kill the younglings, Quads.

so i was watching the clone wars and obi wan got beaten up by two mandalorians
how is that even possible?

>how is that even possible?

That's what happens to most people when someone jumps and outnumbers them.

he got trashed by one in mainline films, two is overkill

BANE?

he could've just had clonetroopers do that, since they easily killed adult jedi

see:

Jedi are good guys so they don't really practice killing people all that much. Sith are bad guys so they practice killing people a lot. In a fight, dudes who don't have a whole lot of experience at the whole murder thing are going to be at a bit of a disadvantage against experienced murderers.

He also got cucked by Maul. He's pretty much a doormat.

>talks about star wars
>includes mouse wars movies in same discussion

can you plz don't

The jedi use the force defensively. The Sith use it for attack. If the dark side did not give you offensive prowess no-one would use it.

In just a few short years Disney will have made more SW movies than Lucas did. This is the future you chose.

star wars is the capeshit of sci-fi

once you reflect on star wars from the perspective of a much more "redpilled" adult, you'll notice all these little details, like how the jedi are supposed to be warrior monks who just want to keep the peace, but in the end they are the weakest both physically and mentally: with all their powers to "sense" what's going on, they were oblivious to all the emperor's machinations, etc.

i used to like star wars but now as a 30 year old with a much more darker view of the world and of entertainment, i see it as a very weak and boring story that follows the same "good vs evil" heroes journey structure. it's only remarkable in film history due to the realistic visual effects that lucas and his team did very well, but ended up doing a shitty job of in the prequels. the fact that lucas cucked out, sold out, gave power to kennedy, and is now married to a negress also sheds light on the creator and the story.

if you're still a fan of star wars at this point, you're probably a weak little cuck who can't come up with unique stories of his own to entertain himself, so he has to go pay $14+ to watch someone else's tale (which will be filled with token characters, plot holes, and overall shit quality).

star wars is the capeshit of sci-fi

PALPATINE'S BEHIND IT ALL

Nobody chose it.
Nobody put a gun to Lucas' head and made him sign away his franchise and company.
He did it because he's a 70 year old man with diabetes and daughter who gets kicked to the head in the ring.
He has no more ideas for movies and he loathed heading a corporation.
He literally gave those billions he made selling SW away.
Soy Wars can fucking burn, I'm completely disconnected from them.

It doesnt matter, OP. In the end its always one Jedi defeating allmighty Sith Lord

Less siths, more powerful they're,
More jedi, less powerful they're.

>In the end its always one Jedi defeating allmighty Sith Lord

Except kinda not, since the Sith are extinct.

Everything made after Empire is Disney fanfiction.
It never realised it's original potential.
It's just self-referencing now, repeating it's own clichés over and over.
It's dead.

That's why Force shat out Anakin when there were literally hundreds of Jedi around?

>Everything made after Empire is Disney fanfiction.

>obi wan got killed by darth vader after not even putting up a fight
>literally too dumb for star wars

>qui gon & obi wan couldnt even 2v1 darth maul

Darth Maul was the galaxy's most feared hired gun, who's only goal was to kill as many jedis as possible. Qui Gonn and Obi had never even encountered Sith, let alone one that's whole existence is dedicated on decimating them.

>emperor killed like 8 jedi masters in 2 hits during the mace windu confrontation

4 jedi masters. The Jedis had grown more conceited and lazy, they were saber duelist masters, but they had only fought other Jedis who all abide the jedi code and the same fighting styles. Sheev used all the tactics that Jedis were not even allowed to think of for thousands of years.

>all those jedi "masters" that got killed by literal grunts when order 66 went out

Keep in mind it was a total surprise attack. Carried out by the whole republican army. Also, some 200 jedis survived.

>anakin & obi wan only beat count dooku by sheer luck

I dont agree that they beat him purely by just luck, but they still beat him right? Also, a single sith is allways more powerful than a single jedi,
Jedi order was powerful because Jedis have allways had the ability to teamwork, where the Sith have not.

>yoda couldnt beat dooku

Dooku used cheap tricks to escape his fight with Yoda.

>general grievus is a literal droid and managed to kill atleast 8 jedis (he's holding 8 lightsabers)
4 lightsabers.

Still, he was defeated by a single Jedi.

>obi wan got killed by darth vader after not even putting up a fight

He did not care about victory but about bringing balance to the force, he knew that feat was not his to accomplish.

>obi wan couldnt beat jango fet
Well, technically he didnt lose either. Also Jango was defeated in his next encounter with a Jedi.

>yoda couldnt defeat the emporer
He still put up a solid 5/5 fight

>rey couldnt defeat literally average guards in snokes room

disney star wars are not canon
>luke dies on an island for no reason

disney star wars are not canon

> total surprise attack
Shame the Force doesn't grant precog.

Look at all that text.

force enables you to read minds but obviously you cant read a siths mind and dont know their next move.

Not really. The number of Sith there are does not determine their individual power. But it does distract them. Bane noticed this and conspired to have them wiped out, save for himself.

The Jedi Order during, and just before, the Clone War were at the height of their power and skill. What led to their downfall was them skirting away from their principals not their numbers.


It's not like there's a Jedi and Sith sections of the Force. The number of Jedi or Sith means nothing because, in the end, they're all just people sensitive to the Force. And there are always people sensitive to the Force. However many people practice a certain interpretation of the Force is not going to hinder their progress, unless someone is actively trying to prevent that progress.

>Darth Maul was the galaxy's most feared hired gun
Was he? I didn't think people really knew who he was or had ever heard of him. Especially not the Jedi, given his only line was about the Sith finally revealing themselves to the Jedi. I dunno, just thought he was a wee bit of a phantom menace (but not THE phantom menace).

Sheev could've just kept Dooku and everything would've worked the same.

To make the villains seem competent in order to make the audience feel tension when the heroes and villains fight. Only nuWars would be dumb enough to have the hero repeatedly beat the villain and expect us to feel anything when the hero and villain fight for a third time.

Even though it is no longer canon, Maul was trained solely to be a Sith assassin. He killed lots of people as the Emperor's enforcer

>Also Jango was defeated in his next encounter with a Jedi.

Yeah, not really.


Ignore the silly subtitles.


>Jedis
Please, stop that.

delet

>Sith
>the guys who start almost every conflict in galaxy far far away
>extinct
Nice joke

>Even though it is no longer canon

You mean never was canon. George didn't make the EU.

>Nobody chose it.

George Lucas literally said he sold it because he was bullied by the fanbase

>Ignore the silly subtitles.
no

The last two Sith died. There cannot be more Sith if there are no Sith to train more.

How do you not Rule of Two?

no, he didn't "literally say" anything of the fucking sort

It's second tier canon. That's just what you work with when it comes to these type of franchises

and look what happened after anakin came around

DS blocked precognition, in the end of Attack of the Clowns Yoda says that even he cannot see the future.
Not sure why Anakin was able to - was his visions fake, is it because he is the chosen one, or its because he used dark side.

Sith extinction 1000 year ago in Malachor is canon. A Sith empire ruling the galaxy many millenia ago is canon according to Mace Dindu

>There cannot be more Sith if there are no Sith to train more.
Sith aren't species, they are renegade Jedi offshoot.
And Jedi didn't sprang from the fucking ground either.

>It's second tier canon.

There's no such thing. There is canon, or not-canon. George never considered the EU as any form of canon. He always considered it separate from Star Wars.

He even says in some article from the 80s or 90s that the movies were "his universe" and the EU was the "fans' universe". George didn't un-legitimize the EU back in 2013, he just simply set the record straight and said that it never was apart of the universe he created.

imo dooku would've regretted everything and would try to take down sheev. He needed someone he could control easier like anakin.

>Sith aren't species, they are renegade Jedi offshoot.

Indeed, they're a religion. A set of teachings, skills, principles and traditions. With Vader and Sidious dead, there can be no more Sith since everything they knew is gone.

>And Jedi didn't sprang from the fucking ground either.

True, but they're not all dead and records of their teachings still exist. The same cannot be said of the Sith.

nu wars isn't star wars

the sith went extinct a few times over the course of history. All it needs is someone force sensistive ro find a sith holocron and rediscover their religion to restart the order.

I get that but I really wonder if people really knew about him considering their whole schtick was that they were staying hidden until this one moment. He probably went around killing people but he wasn't a celebrity or a household name or anything.

consider the fact that there are only two sith at a given time while there can be legions of jedi

>Jedi fat and lazy on 100k years of peace
>train only against each other in simulated safe spaces

>Sith lean and brutal by necessity
>operate in the shadows and kill to survive, even amongst each other

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

There is such thing. Interviews, artbooks, commentary tracks, design docs, and stuff like scripts and cut-but-filmed scenes are all secondary canon.
Something like "Darth Maul became a spider robot" is third tier (and definitely noncanon) because it has no basis on the primary source

>the sith went extinct a few times over the course of history.

All we know about anything close to them becoming extinct was Darth Bane. There is literally nothing that says the Sith were ever close to extinction before him.

>Something like "Darth Maul became a spider robot" is third tier (and definitely noncanon)

I think you're confused.

sith are mgtow?

>Darth Maul became a spider robot

>noncanon

youtube.com/watch?v=M9SQmDqaBJs

You seem behind on the times.

>Something like "Darth Maul became a spider robot" is third tier (and definitely noncanon) because it has no basis on the primary source
That's not how the canon works any more, and that's not how the canon used to work.

Clone Wars is currently Star Wars canon (and everything is equal in Star Wars canon now). This means that Maul survived TPM and had robot spider legs because it was in Clone Wars.

youtube.com/watch?v=M9SQmDqaBJs
youtube.com/watch?v=4jIjG-e7mZM

And here's Maul's canonical death (from Rebels): youtube.com/watch?v=0scImICHU14

I miss the good old days when fans decided what was canon

More like Jedi are American police force and Sith are the GIGN.

Is a man not entitled to his headcanon?

And the shit worked too. Many beautiful vidya games and books were made.

Yes it was like that.
Up until disney wars it all fell under like 5 categories of canon.
The highest level was called "George Canon" this would be just what appeared on screen in the movies and what was in the novelizations of those movies.
I can't remember the names of them all but it was stuff like "EU canon" etc

There like a millions of force sensitive people born every year, you dig a random holocron of some Darth Andeddu and in a few years you become a Sith Lord under his guidance. Its that simple.

>I miss the good old days when fans decided what was canon

I don't. I hated that shit. It made being a Star Wars fan pain to be. The movies are shit, save for Rogue One, but everything else after the buyout has been pretty great and I thank George every day for setting the record straight about the EU and for there to be an actual committee whose sole purpose is to make sure everything is cohesive.

Star Wars (barring TFA and TLJ) can finally be something fun to enjoy and share now.

literally
>duh power of love and good triumphs over evil because they FEEL more maaaan
star wars was always shlock for manbabies

If you thought the movies were terribe why would you give a shit about how the remaining 99% of people decide to classify canon?

>Yes it was like that.

Key word there, WAS. Not anymore.

And even then, that was only because nobody listened to George because he never cared about the EU beyond being something that had a couple interesting visuals or being something he could fish for ideas from.