>ED HOOD AND THE OUTLAWS ANNUAL #1 Written by SCOTT LOBDELL Art and cover by TYLER KIRKHAM “Brothers in Arms”! When Red Hood discovers a new wave of criminal activity in Gotham City with a traveling circus at its epicenter, he recruits Nightwing to help the Outlaws infiltrate the big top! Can the two would-be brothers put their differences aside and crack the case? Or will their division be the harbinger of their demise? On sale AUGUST 30 • 48 pg, FC, $4.99 US • RATED T+
Will this finally settle things between Robin fans?
Aaron Nelson
No.
Camden Wilson
Robinfags will never settle, user, the only alliance they have is Dickfags and Damianfags, they all hate each other and no amount of comics will satisfy that
William Moore
Yep. Jason and Dick fans hate each other. Dickfags especially hate Lobdell. Its going to make it worse.
Robert Ortiz
Do Timfags not like Dick anymore?
Jace Sanchez
Obviously no because Dick fans really hate Jason.
Alexander Gonzalez
No, DC destroyed Dick and Tim's relationship
Gavin Bailey
>implying it's not vice versa
Just as many Jasonfags hate Dick too, you'd think the biggest rivalry would be Tim and Damian fans but I guess because Dick and Jason are the two most popular their fans are the largest groups
Matthew Morris
It was the best relationship too. Fucking DC.
David Gomez
Timfags don't exist anymore
Anyway they hate Damian
Lincoln Watson
The fact that Jason fans were excited to see Dick in the annual while Dick fans have a meltdown over it pretty much proves that why I said is the truth.
Dominic Johnson
I actually have hope because Lobdell hs been good since Rebirth started. I want Jason and Dick to get along. Fans too. I mean neither of them are Tim at least.
Jose Kelly
>expecting me to read Redhood shit
No thanks.
Jackson Brown
Probably because the first Outlaws book poisoned the well for Dickfans, which didnt happen to Jason fans.
Tyler Diaz
When the fuck did that happen?
Adrian Bailey
Theres some on CBR, but tbf they cite the first terrible Outlaws book as a legit reason.
Owen Collins
Doesn't suprise. They are always the ones who try to start a fight with them in Sup Forums.
Aiden Lopez
In the August solicitations thread here in Sup Forums.
John Lopez
>CBR
Every single fan on CBR is awful, the Robinfags there are even worse than the ones on here
Charles Torres
I was in that thread and nobody had a meltdown, more people had a meltdown about the potential Dickbabs in August Batgirl
Robert Thomas
Scott Lobdell hates Dick Grayson.
Sebastian Bell
People can like them both...
Evan Gomez
If theres was any meltdown it was overshadowed by REEEEEing over the potential Dickbabs
oh lol I got beaten
Christian Bailey
Okay guys any predictions on how this is gonna go?
Daniel Campbell
Were you in the thread till the end? Because it happened after it hit 500 replies where some user started crying about how Lobdell hates Dick.
Jaxon Hernandez
To be fair he kind of does seem to hate Dick, didn't he project his own shitty relationship onto Dick and Starfire's? I can't remember the details
Jackson Miller
I'm pretty sure that I didn't claim otherwise.
Nathaniel Bailey
As someone who was in the thread, can people explain this to me? Does he really hate Dick or is he just bad at writing him? Theres a difference.
Jackson Ortiz
He doesn't cares about him or felt that he was necessary to be included. That doesn't means that he hates him.
Mason Sullivan
Yup. He did. He said that exes can't be friends, that he wasn't friends with his ex, that Dick was bad for Kory, that Dick was boring, that Dick would never appear as long as he was in the book, and so on.
It was when RHatO was at the start and the interview was for Comicvine.
Isaiah Stewart
Dick is so bland to hated him.
People either like him or indifferent to him.
Christian Brown
>Dick hits on Artemis > She finds him annoying > Jason only wanted Dick's help because he's scared of clowns > Dick tries bonding, but it doesnt work > Dick is bossy because he likes being leader.
Gavin Bennett
>that Dick was bad for Kory He is right. Dick cheated on her in their wedding day.
Also, don't lie user. He never said that Dick will never be in the book.
Josiah Murphy
I bet the Starfire thing will be brought up in order to cause a fight between Jason and Dick.
Adrian Lopez
>Dick and Jason fight and argue at start of team up >end up with 'aw they really do love each other' >this character development never carries off into other books and is forgotten about
Lincoln Gutierrez
This is bad, mostly because Dick was besties with 2/3 members of the group. He was essential to Korys past and Roy's bff which made it seem like hate when it wasn't. Double awkward since Rebirth fixed it.
Josiah Wood
He said.
And are you seriously mentioning that stupid annual that was terribly written and filled with retcons? Come on.
David Lewis
To be honest, it seems like other writers have already fixed Jason/Dick's relationship. Jason's own book is actually the last piece.
Carson Sanchez
>Devin Grayson Nightwing
Wew
Logan Walker
Why? Jason did'nt sleep with her and Dick has recently so why would he care?
Easton Diaz
Dick's TT weren't canon in n52 so he actually wasn't bestie with Roy.
He acknowledged that Kori had a relationship with him and they and there was literally no needs to bring him up because he has nothing to do with what was going on.
William Gray
Heck, in the Death of the Family tie-in issue of RHatO when the Outlaws were in the Wayne Manor he showed Dick hiding himself from Kory and Roy, and Jason having to come and tell Dick to stop acting like an asshole because Kory was a good person and didn't deserved to be mistreated by Dick, and Dick responding that Jason didn't knew about shit and should not get involved.
It was basically implied in the issue that something had happened in the past between Dick and Kory, to the point where Kory almost tried to kill Dick. It was never expanded upon, but essentially Dick and Kory broke up in very bad terms.
So yeah, Lobdell wasn't interested in showing Dick, Kory and Roy on good terms at all.
Caleb Campbell
Ummm have you read Titans or Teen Titans lately?
Logan Lopez
*they broke up so there
Hunter Nelson
I'm just glad Roy and Dick's past as friends on TT has been brought back now. Are Roy and Kory coming back to Outlaws again or is their friendship with Jason retconned?
Benjamin Clark
>Dick's TT weren't canon in n52 so he actually wasn't bestie with Roy.
At the start of Nu52 Lobdell specifically brought up the time Roy and Kory where on the New Teen Titans to make a point that Kory didn't remembered nor cared about Dick or the rest of team, she just wanted a good hard dicking and it didn't mattered from whom.
And now Rebirth retconned Dick and Roy's time as past friends and members of the original TT. Go read Abnett's Titans.
Charles Gray
Yes, and it was a recton happened with Titans hunt dumbass.
DC wanted Tim's TT to be the first team and they only acknowledged Dick's TT as part of rebirth.
Zachary Fisher
Lobdell said they're going to guest star at some point before issue 15ish I think. All 3 are under the same editor so hopefully things work out well when that happens.
Jeremiah Reed
He wanted to acknowledge Dick's TT, but the editors were against it and they even erased the mention in RHATO'S trade.
Sebastian Bennett
Which worked against him because it upset fans of those characters with long relationships an looks dumb because he never expanded on what caused that badness. Not it looks extra stupid because Rebirth fixed the 3's relationship.
Jackson Parker
The fact that the first Teen Titans was the team lead by Tim was a retcon that happened half-way through the Nu52
At the start of the Nu52 when writers weren't sure what was still canon or not it was regarded that the Titans past was still canon. RHatO #1 opened with Roy wondering why Kory was following Jason since she was Dick's girl or if Kory really couldn't remember Dick nor the rest of the Teen Titans.
Even after the retcon Lobdell still kept the fact that Kory had a thing with Dick and that Dick and Roy had been friends.
Christopher Brown
Sounds cool, I'd like to see them interact with Artemis and Bizarro
Aiden Foster
Actually did'nt Lobdell and Snyder originally acknowledge them?
Josiah Young
>Are Roy and Kory coming back to Outlaws again or is their friendship with Jason retconned? It still canon and have been referred in Rebirth RHatO and TT.
And this
Logan Foster
Yes, they did.
That user simple doesn't want to acknowledge that Lobdell doesn't like Nightwing and has gone on record on this.
Angel Perez
I do wonder if Lodbell will acknowledge the changes they've been through.
Nathaniel Miller
I think he's more indifferent towards Dick, but projected his own relationship onto Dick x Starfire too much, I wouldn't say he completely hates Dick but he's not good at writing him
Cooper Kelly
Probably not. He'll probably show Roy and Kory still very much into each other and missing Jason and not acknowledge whatever has been happening much.
Brayden Jenkins
It'll fucking awkward if he does Kori: Dick is now back to true love status and she talks to him now
Roy: Dick is now back to bff status, is his team leader,and is now mackin on Donna
Both: Never bring up jason
Jason: Brings them both up & might still dislike Dick
Camden Barnes
Yeah, hate is too much. He just doesn't like the character much. The few times he wrote Dick he wrote him as a know-it-all jerk.
Ethan Hernandez
>Dick and Roy had been friends He didn't keep that because Titans hunt happened during DCYOU and Kori was still never part of TT.
The writers were unsure and n52 editors were a freaking mess who didn't make things clear to them and keep erasing things behind their backs. Lobdell actually said in an interview that the editors were changing things without his knowledge.
Elijah Bailey
No way. people would fucking rage. They are under the same editor now too, so no way that goes through.
Jackson Gray
You'll see.
Carson Hernandez
Are you an idiot? Did you forget about how the Dick's TT were forgotten and they started to remember in Titans Hunt?
Go read Titans Hunt and Rebirth Titans first arc before you make yourself look more foolish than you already are.
Zachary Hill
Dude, the only thing that was retconned was the first that there was a team called Teen Titans previously Tim's team.
The fact that Dick, Kory and Roy knew each other was kept, even after the retcon, precisely because of how Lobdell messed things up before. He just never had Roy talking much about Dick because he didn't want to. The same for Kory and Dick, outside of having to deal with the memory problem subplot he had introduced or the Death of the Family tie-in.
Lincoln Diaz
Devin Grayson didn't write that Annual She was off Nightwing by then
Jonathan Miller
What was retconned was the fact that a team named Teen Titans existed before the one lead by Tim. But they kept the idea that Dick, Roy and Kory had a been in a team before as a way to explain the Dick and Kory connection.
Trust me, i know this shit.
Ethan Cruz
>Dick fans are insecure and stupid too Can't say I'm suprised.
Adrian Fisher
Just go back and re-read the comics.
Kayden Thompson
How about you give me proof of that, then?
Jackson Wright
I just want to see Artemis be to be the 2nd Red Head to turn down Dick
Jose Gonzalez
Just download the digital versions of the first RHatO trade-paperbacks, which were altered to satisfy the hazy retcon. Nightwing is still there in the flashbacks, only with a red colored Nightwing suit.
Alexander Williams
What was the first?
Hudson Fisher
Batwoman aka Kate
Brody Jackson
My God, you are really are dumbass and doesn't actually didn't read anything I have said.
Kori's relationship with Dick was never erased and she was never part of his team. Roy and Dick didn't have a history in N52 until titans hunt happened.
Nathaniel Rogers
Wait, Kori wasn't part of the original TT?
Landon Bennett
>Roy and Dick didn't have a history in N52 until titans hunt happened.
But they did. That's where we are disagreeing.
Josiah Myers
No, the current crossover confirmed that she wasn't.
Anthony Cook
And you still didn't show me a proof of that.
Nicholas Davis
Fuck it. Wait a minute. I'll do. I don't even know why you're so hung up on this.
Jose Russell
>> Jason only wanted Dick's help because he's scared of clowns
I feel a little bad for laughing at this.
Caleb Gomez
The art on Dick looks bad. He should'nt be so bulky
Caleb Sullivan
Find nothing? I told you that DC erased their history.
Jace Nelson
I'm downloading a 200+mb trade for this. Wait a bit.
Hunter Morris
I will legit laugh if that happens
Xavier Morales
1) Is it just me or does Jason stay in Gotham a lof more these days and 2) Does this mean out of costume stuff?? I ant Dick and Jason undercover at the Circus/
Jack Butler
Here you go. This is from the trade, which was altered to fit the retcon that the only Teen Titans that ever existed was the one at the time currently lead by Tim. Still, they couldn't erase completely the fact that Lobdell had already not only mentioned but shown Nightwing in flashbacks several times. So the compromise was that Dick, Kory and Roy knew each other and were part of some obscure team. Not exactly one called Teen Titans, but a team nonetheless.
Lobdell didn't had Nightwing later interacting with Kory or Roy just because he didn't really wanted it. Not because of editorial. Nothing wrong with that, though.
Andrew Lee
I'll just go ahead and post the other appearances and mentions of Nightwing, since i download this shit for nothing.
Mason Moore
...
Xavier Richardson
This makes Jason look both whiny and petty concerning Dick
Adam Bailey
...
Eli Gutierrez
Here's the original pic.
Jacob Sanchez
I haven't read this in years but....Dick, Kori and Roy really did use to work with each other.
But Roy doesn't recognize Kori at all......does he have amnesia too?
Lucas Walker
Post next page please
Lincoln Williams
And it's a reference to this in issue 1.
Lobdell meant TT, but it was earsed and the editors were too lazy to earse Roy from that pic.
Tyler Parker
>Dick and Jason are my two favorite Robins This pleases me.
Bentley Ortiz
Forget the pic.
Jace Watson
I find hilarious how Lobdell tried to push the angle that because Kory's an alien she couldn't distinguish humans apart nor commit them to memory after some time apart, despite her being as human-like as us, or then the fact that because she's an alien she felt she was distrusted and feared by the humans for not being human herself and that mostly being the reason why she been living secluded in that tiny island, despite her being pretty much a hot girl who just happens to be orange and this being the DCU where Superman, an alien, is the most beloved hero on Earth.
Thankfully he dropped that persecution shit since this is not the X-Men, although he couldn't really drop the memory thing just as easily.
Levi Sanders
Dude, they kept Roy friendship with Dick even in the trade.
William James
This is creepy as fuck. Also why did'nt Jason just tell her?