Was Age of Ultron really that bad? Or were the expectations just too high?

Was Age of Ultron really that bad? Or were the expectations just too high?

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It wasnt bad.

Expectations were high and theres a few hicups still a good movie.

Most of the negativity comes from idiots on both sides of the shitpost spectrum

I just can't stand quippy Ultron. Nor his humanoid design.

It makes sense in this version. MCU Ultron wasn't made as an AI, it was created by forcing the Mind Stone into the mold of a computer, so naturally it acts more like a living thing, and is more insane.

Expectations here always seem to be set too high. "That was enjoyable" is never enough, if it wasn't 100% perfect, it was therefore bad.

It's got it's flaws, and like a lot of the Phase 2 Marvel movies, the trailer sold people on it being a lot darker than it actually was, but it's by no means terrible.

In terms of how much money it made, expectations were again too high, the first Avengers movie was a once-in-a-lifetime thing, seeing those characters come together for the first time isn't something you can't recapture.

It was boring and had some weird choices in it.
Like Hawkeye's family. Okay, this is a universe in which Hawkeye is a guy who has it together and has a family. It can happen, but it felt weird.
Hulkbuster actually busts Hulk. Okay, this is a universe in which that can happen, but it felt weird.

PORN HAHA

Ultron, outside Sokovia, was a non event.

He was on the internet. So he should have been shutting down things and taking over the world's communications and infrastructure. Letting the whole world know about him and causing terror.

>Like Hawkeye's family. Okay, this is a universe in which Hawkeye is a guy who has it together and has a family. It can happen, but it felt weird.
I thought that was the best part of the movie DESU.

fast guy died in the dumbest way imaginable just so that someone could die dramatically
quips quips quips
"humans make... smaller humans, what are they called?"

I hate Whedon

didn't they establish that Jarvis was managing to block him from doing so

I'm not saying it doesn't make sense. I just hate it. The comics design makes sense too and is a better one.

We could've had a better story since they were using Sokovia anyway.

>Avengers:long weekend of Ultron

Jarvis was only keeping Ultron away from the nuclear weapons.

which is dumb because nuclear weapons are not controlled through the internet.

Good scene but the male actor wasn't black so it takes some "oompf" out of it.

also, if you are going to have two god like AIs fighting each other in cyberspace. Show, not tell.

humanoid does not mean what you think it means

Reminder that MCU Widow is canonically barren and therefore perfectly safe to nut inside.

what do you think he thinks humanoid means? Ultron was literally humanoid the majority of the movie and was only not humanoid before he infected all the suits and started building his perfect body

not the user you were replying to but generally what people assume when you say humanoid is 2 arms, 2 legs, walks upright. I think what you mean has to do with the teeth etc. I have no idea if there's a specific term for that

either way there's no point in having a war over semantics

Not by the internet but nuclear facilities do recieve a lot of cyber attacks irl, so they're clearly accessable

Ultron's bodies are all humanoid, up to the last one. What user complains about it that they gave him a face with expressions rather than a monstrous jowled mouth like Defoe's Green Goblin.

but actually launching nuclear weapons requires humans to physically do something.

even if ultron could get on the radio/sat comms and transmit launch codes. the humans would likely seek verification.

From my perspective, it was muddled and disjointed to the point where I didn't care that much about any plotline because none of them were given enough attention. Winter Soldier and Civil War are basically what the 2nd Avengers arch should have been. Ultron felt like filler that just didn't matter. I don't care about the twins, or Vision, or Falcon, or anyone else for that matter, and it looks like the MCU doesn't either. In fact, it seems like they're doing their best to avoid it entirely in favor of the Civil War arch.

Lack of stakes. We got and lost Quicksilver.

Avengers started the movie with a big win, should have ended with them way more fractured.

I'm gonna need the source of that specific pic, OP
For research
On gamma rays
Yeah

Chanel Preston

I think its a Iron Man porno

thank you user
I shall share with you my valuable findings

Iron Man XXX porno like right after Batman XXX porno. Honestly that's about the best scene from the movie.

Well okay Madam Masque getting it on with another woman and then her henchman was kind of hot.

It's just as good as the first Avengers
Just expectations were too high and people's fascination with the first one made the second one look worse

Just that it's one of those superhero pornos where they're fully naked. Unlike the later Axel Braun ones where they have their costumes on but have that hole for their private areas to be fucked.

For a second I thought you were talking about the porno

Well, it makes sense. If they're fully naked how is comic book parody porn any different than regular porn?

I guess regular porn is better written

I think it mostly comes down to expectations. I also think that Avengers Assemble was actually pretty weak on the plot and had a lot of pacing issues, but it was just such a landmark cinema event to have all of those characters crossing over successfully that it distracted from that.

I feel that Age of Ultron was in a way doomed to be disappointing because it had to be as good as it made everyone feel to see the Avengers Assembled on screen in the first movie, but just on the merits of it as a movie because the MCU was pretty established at that point.

It didn't have a good focus or clear vision. It took too long to set up the villain and bring all the heroes together. As they had to had 3 more.

The first one had loki show up immediately and had the heroes brought together right away.

>The first one had loki show up immediately and had the heroes brought together right away.

Not really, it starts out with a Nick Fury car chase, takes ages to go anywhere. Unites some of the heroes only for them to have stupid overly manufactured misunderstanding fights, then they spend like half the movie playing with their dicks on the helicarrier as the movie slows to a crawl. It's not until about the last quarter that you finally get all of the Avengers together fighting as a team, and even then it's just a generic alien hivemind army.

In Age of Ultron it literally opens on an Avengers team action scene.

She's a monster

>I just can't stand quippy Ultron.

That was the only thing I liked about the movie. I wasn't really invested in any of it though so I just imagined it was Killface all along. As comedy is the only way I can take these movies seriously anymore.

Vision is a cuck

It was that bad

I wouldn't say my expectations were that high and it was still disappointing. Not without any positive points but not really good over all.

The marketing was complete bullshit. If they had advertised it as "another Avengers movie, with a quirky villain and cool superhero action" I think people would've been far more accepting of it. Except the trailers made it look like a much darker, more serious movie (the first trailer is legitimately a horror movie trailer, go watch it) that might've upped the stakes a bit.

Still I don't mind AoU too much. There's some really cool action, especially the opening scene which is our only real look at The Avengers operating as a cohesive unit. A lot of the character development is really nice too, Natasha/Hulk is absolute garbage but Hawkeye gets a lot of quality screentime, as do Cap and Banner.

>Wanting to only nut inside women who won't bare you many children
Why are you such degenerate trash?

....except you're ignoring the value of establishing your villain. I feel like replying to you is a waste cause you immediately go

>Not really, it starts out with a Nick Fury car chase, takes ages to go anywhere.

I mean... Loki was there too, but I guess you think that doesn't matter. Ultron has to be established and he doesn't have a clear goal. The villain pushes the heroes and drives the story, and they drag ass too long to do that in AoU.

>In Age of Ultron it literally opens on an Avengers team action scene.

Except vision, scarlet witch and quicksilver, they still don't join the avengers until the end.

THANK YOU! Japanese Power Rangers porn is the worst for this. They'll have a chick dressed up like a Power Ranger, the bad guys will rub her tits through the costume for a bit, and then the costume comes off and it's just standard Japanese porn

AoU wasn't great but it was good. People were still disappointed though because the hype was so high. The main problem was that it didn't feel like the climax to phase 2. It felt like just another Marvel film.

Hulk fucking Black widow was actually one of the best things about.

Quiptron was terrible, which is sad because Spader did a great job with the voice.

I mean, it would have been so easy to make him more menacing by beating the shit out of or killing one of the main characters before the final battle. The way the movie played out though, he was basically a punching bag and his "clones" were paper mache.

>AoU wasn't great but it was good.
Not really. I mean, the villain was twarted at every turn, and every move he made was overturned, from beginning to end. If the movie was Age of Ultron and Ultron was not a threat in the slightest, I can't really say the movie was good.

Fuck you I like Falcon, they actually made him cool enough and unique that I wouldn't mind if he got super soldier serum'd and took caps place.

They had ONE job

Japanese porn in general is terrible though.

>getting off to pixels and fat guys with micro dicks almost exclusively doing missionary with a girl that can only emit a high pitched reeeeeeeee

I like to think Whedon actually watched that Iron Man porno and thats what gave him the idea for this relationship.

fpbp

remember the one or two parts where they actually did show them fighting in cyberspace? no thanks. How about just don't have that shit in the movie

>Except the trailers made it look like a much darker, more serious movie (the first trailer is legitimately a horror movie trailer, go watch it)

This is one of the big reasons I never watch trailers anymore. If they don't outright spoil major plot points, more often than not it ends up being misleading one way or the other.

If it's something I'm interested in I just watch it blind and see what I think. Then I get to have the super weird experience where I hear what other people thought and completely disagree. (though not on Ultron much, it was pretty lame)

I liked Age of Ultron a lot and it still really bugged the shit out of me that he got to be fairly menacing through his first scene and then they basically throw it out the window with jokes for the rest of the movie.

2 really big problems that aren't just "quips"

1. the villain was underwhelming as fuck, for multiple reasons. Part of it was the trailers building him up to be much more terrifying than he was, and part of it was the fact that the final battle seemed way too relaxed for and easy. They also chose one of the worst possible designs out of all the concept art.

2. So many unnecessary scenes forced in to lead into other MCU properties. Thor's journey to see the Infinity Stones and the introduction of Klaw come to mind. Then there's the fact that Strucker gets taken out like a chump in the first 5 minutes.

Tbh if i were in charge i would have had Tony be on the losing end of the fight and then have Thor show up and save him

It's not great but it would've been a complete disaster under any other director. Say what you will about Wheadon but the movie should've collapsed under the weight of everything it had to set up and he made it work somehow

or they could have made it look fucking radical

It was pretty bad. Just a few points I disliked:
>Ultron, a supposed genius, doesn't leave a backup of himself somewhere
>even though the movie has the most civilian casualties of any thus far, the Avengers quip the entire time
>the Avengers never once take Ultron seriously
>even though Wanda assisted Ultron in his plan, his plan that led to the deaths of thousands of Sokovians, she receives no punishment
>even though it was through Tony's negligence that Ultron was created, thus leading to the deaths of thousands of Sokovians, he never receives punishment and in fact the movie treats him as a hero for not accepting the blame

I disagree, it was a disaster, it did collapse and he didn't make it work

>>even though the movie has the most civilian casualties of any thus far, the Avengers quip the entire time

Speaking of which, the part at th end where Cap says no way in hell are they leaving one civilian behind seemed like an incredibly heavy handed response to how people reacted to Man of Steel. It also doesn't quite mesh with him in Civil War acknowledging that no matter how good they are, people will still die on their watch.

>even though it was through Tony's negligence that Ultron was created, thus leading to the deaths of thousands of Sokovians, he never receives punishment and in fact the movie treats him as a hero for not accepting the blame

He's white, rich and American. The people he let die weren't. That's the only part of the movie that's perfectly accurate.

It's a bad movie.

Watch Terminator 2 and then Age of Ultron.

Age of Ultron is not a good action movie, If you are not a kid or a manchild you can like it, but you can't call it good.

This. It's less novel than the first Avengers but I think it's actually a better movie when you get down to brass tacks.

The first Avengers feels like a TV pilot in retrospect.

Okay, here's a few ways I would change things to make AoU suck less:

>Opening action scene stays the same, but instead of JARVIS controlling the Iron Legion they are run by a new AI called ULTRON whose job it is to suppress threats, but it is seen that he sometimes does so at the expense of civilian safety
>Party and after-party stay the same, Ultron attacks the Avengers and explains his new purpose (replacing humanity with robots who are more capable of defending Earth) before escaping
>no Banner-Natasha romance
>Wanda and Pietro are seen using their new abilities to help the poor of Sokovia, and their fame draws the attention of Ultron who summons them and offers an alliance
>Also the "children" joke isn't present, and Ultron's new body resembles pic related
>Ultron cutting off Klawe's arm is taken more seriously, as Klawe attempts to attack Ultron upon realizing he's a Stark creation which earns him a cut off arm
>The battle on the ship takes a dramatic turn when Ultron, in his new Adamantium body, manages to overpower Thor and kill him while the other Avengers are distracted by Wanda's mindgames
>The scenes on Clint's farm go pretty much the same, there is a funeral scene for Thor where he is laid out in a field, the scene ends as the Bifrost opens above the body and takes it away
>no Banner-Natasha romance
>Ultron and the gang steal a prototype body from Dr. Cho and, using his own mechanical abilities and the Mind Gem, Ultron creates The Vision as the first of his new "human race" and a weapon against The Avengers

>tfw no scene like that one in Mighty Avengers where Ultron sends a global message about extinguishing human life

>The team moves in to save Cho and are met by Ultron, the Twins and a childlike Vision who refuses to take action, but when Ultron derails a train to serve as a distraction The Twins and Vision decide to rescue civilians
>As the rest of the team is busy with the train Ultron attacks Tony, destroying his suit and kidnapping him
>Beneath Sokovia, Ultron appears to Tony in a final body resembling the one in the movie, which sparks a discussion about hypocrisy, legacy and purpose
>The team arrive, free Tony and set about taking Ultron down
>The final battle essentially happens the same way, Fury arrives with Rhodey and Falcon to help the team and evacuate civilians
>When Ultron sends his entire army to take down The Avengers they are nearly overwhelmed (pic related), but Vision is able to summon Mjolnir and conjure a lightning storm which destroys a vast majority of the drones
>The team destroy Sokovia, Vision kills Ultron, same shit
>movie ends

>>Watch Terminator 2 and then Age of Ultron.

that's such a pointless comparison

>Ultron
>Killface

Well fuck.

How does him being white have any affect on anything?

Because bigotry thrives

The movie is shit, but your fanfic is shit too. I hate "big ideas" niggers

It felt weird cause it was, out of no where, "Lets go to Hawkeye's secret farm home, oh look Nick Fury is there too!"
Then theres a scene where Widow tries to get Hulk to bang her in the shower only to then reveal shes barren and considers herself a monster cause of it.

It may be the worst "Act two low point" I've ever seen. Whedon is a fucking hack.

>100m+ action movies

Well if you want we can compare age of ultron with dumb and dumber 2 or a Adam Sandler movie.

I hated that bit. Films like this always treat the internet as some office somewhere.
"He's hijacked the internet!" "Hes hacked into the internet!"

I remember Whedon explaining it
"I was thinking about who had to die and I didnt want to kill either of the girls"
Why does someone have to die? Why could the girls die? What is wrong with you?

So then what would Ragnarok be about?

>buttfuck in the pussy

After the events of the first Avengers film the second one should have been them fighting Thanos. Having the villain be Ultron just made it feel like filler.

It was bad.
I mean actually, objectively bad
It was the marvel movie that fell into the "trashy low brow summer blockbuster" slot the most
The way it handles characters is weak, effectively giving every character the same core personality and mannerisms with exactly two exceptions

Where the first one soooort of gave each character a distinct archetype and a designated insecurity/angst, AgeOfUltron fails to properly further those archetypes or insecurities.

The majority of time, the characters are interacting as an ensemble (either in fight scenes or casually). Where Avengers 1 at least let the fight scenes act as solid characterization bits (where characters fight each other vs alone vs together), AoU fails to give its fight scenes that same basic characterization. The opening fight is arguably the strongest, with exactly two interesting moments:
>cap and Thor combo move, indicating practiced team work and understanding each other's strengths and weaknesses
>Iron Man's vision and him taking the scepter

Iron man taking the scepter sets a theme for the movie that never really comes to fruition. It sets up the tone that there is something dark and tragic and even edgy that leads from Tony's paranoia and fear.

The most we get out of Ultron is some casual property damage that you can find in your average Transformers movie and a side note in Civil War.

And that's just talking about thematic and tone and characterization issues. That's nothing to say about specific character or plot issues

There's no idea or theme or narrative arc at the heart of AoU. No contrasts or comparisons between characters that resonate or elevate the characters beyond a handful of personality bullet points, a particular issue given that it's as sequel with some established character histories and relationships. It's a movie that feels like every arc (prologue, beginning, middle and end) was written by a different writer from a different background

The only two scenes that even work play as character bits are the nightmares which more just rehash and better visualize the driving forces and emotions of the particular characters

The other is the farm house scene which is generally more confident than the rest of the film but still isn't sure what direction it wants to actually DEVELOP the characters in beyond where they currently are. Like they lose this fight against Ultron and have these hallucinogenic episodes and it's clear the tone is "reflection and contemplation" Whedon flounders on how he wants each character to change. Because he doesn't want them to change. He wrote for TV before and the rule in TV serials is the status quo.
Ultimately, what Ultron gives us is a bit of juicy background tidbits for The fandom without any substantial character shifts in mentality or outlook or morality

Yup.

>thor dying
You're an idiot.

>no banner x natasha
BOOOOOOOOO

AoU's Vision was a Mary Sue AND a Deus Ex Machina
- only appears in third act
- is easily able to do something considered hard (lift Thor's hammer)
- has no personality whatsoever
- plays a very major part in fighting the big bad
- kills the big bad himself
This is below shit writing.

you legitimately lose any right to call anyone an idiot if you actually wanted BannerxNatasha

>Thor Ragnarok has Hel and Hela in it anyway
>Acting like him dying would matter in the long run

>>>>>>>>>>>liking The Widow Splitter.

Why are you implying the Vision was anything other than this?

This really is Sup Forumsmblr.

I'm biased because I really like Ruffalo's Banner.

Also, him dying and coming back in ragnarok because hela would be worse.
The first avenger death being undone so quickly would be ridiculous.

The only part of this that I can really argue with is "no personality", which clearly isn't true, but the rest of it? Being a Vision fan is just 100% suffering most of the time, and getting this made it all worthwhile for a few minutes.

I still look at the trailer from time to time and think to myself, this would have made a great movie

Ruffalo's Banner is the best we've had, that's true.

But pairing him with the sole female on the team makes legitimately no sense.

The best thing they could have done was focus on the theme of incompletion, of having something you desire that you can never get
>Tony: a sense of security and control and a clean conscience
>Steve: his past friends and a sense of belonging in his current time
>Thor: security for Asgard and his people
>Banner: release from his anger, his own humanity
>Natasha: Clint (at least as a surrogate for a proper family)
>Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver: a family, revenge on Tony Stark
>Ultron: belonging, peace in our time
Clint should have been the only character who is generally complete emotionally and tethers the other characters and is the least willing to die since he has more to live for

Nah, superheroes' main core is escapism -which is why the DCEU failed so far, they didn't focus on that-.
Incompletion, having something you desire that you can never get doesn't fit with that, imo.

Expand on that, what do you mean their main core is escapism?
Like the main appeal of hero flicks are that they are escapism from our own issues and the hardships of our own life?

Bad pacing and a mediocre villain