Hi Well I've seen a few criticisms concerning The Phantom Menace and all I have to say is this:
Ep I was setting up Eps II & III and may have suffered as a result.
The reason Darth Maul was underused is this:
The Darth Maul you saw in TPM is actually a clone of the real Darth Maul and the reason he spoke so little was because of this and Lucas deliberately underused him - he's not that stupid. When people find out that Darth Maul is the main baddy in Ep II what you think they gonna do? Get all excited methinks and go see the film.
In the next film.....
Anakin proves himself to Sideous by slaying Darth Maul but it's Darth who kills Anakin's Mother and Palpatine is actually a clone of Sideous. Anakin then turns to the dark side.
And as for TPM's box office performance?
Third highest grossing film of all time after Titanic and the oringinal film, A New Hope. Not bad eh?
I have to laugh at people that come up with theories regarding things like star wars, or game of thrones. Kudos for creativity, but they fail to place themselves in the mindset of moronic executives
Camden Mitchell
>he's not that stupid Lol this reminds me how everyone considered him a God before the prequels.
Ayden Walker
that is gold
Jordan Sanchez
>The plot of _Star_Wars_ is certainly nothing new: a bunch of good guys try to overthrow an evil space empire. Ruling the evil space empire are an evil count, James Earl Jones (a Negro), and an evil spaceship commander, Peter Cushing (_Dracula_A.D._1972_, _The_Curse_of_ _Frankenstein_).
Brayden Price
Remember the Lannister Honeypot Theory? Or J'aqen!Arya theory? That was gold.
Christian Parker
>The three segmants of the saga are distinguished by the passage of time. The First Segmant is supposed to detail how the Old Republic was corrupted and turned into the Empire, and how Darth Vader came to power, destroying the other Jedi's. Supposedly Ben and Darth battle in which Darth becomes the disfigured human that we've seen. I suppose Darth also thinks Ben was killed in this battle. (This battle supposed to take place over a Volcano or something. At the end of the first segment the Emperor comes into power and Ben goes into hiding, after hiding the babies Luke and Leia.
HOW DID HE KNOW?
Jack Moore
First of all, it's obvious. Secondly, Anakin disfigured by a volcano was a part of some novelization, or some old script, it's not something invented for episode III specifically.
Daniel Reyes
>cuz it's a fantacy-adventure in space. The *BIGGEST* tech. flaw that >can't be labled as "artistic licence is the personality of the robots, >but I LIKE them cuz it's a *FUN* movie, not a serious movie like >"Breakfast Club" or "The Big Chill" both of which were a bit boring! Is this real? I didn't know plebs were on the internet that far back.
Carson Fisher
Reddit before Reddit.
Mason Miller
3/1/85 Dave Trissel Since we just started getting this newsgroup here I may be repeating something already known.
Before the original Star Wars was out and a success Lucas had an broad story- line in his head. He envisioned enough to produce several movies. After SW profits poured in the idea expanded to three triligies (9 movies.)
The robots (3C and R2) were to be connectives in that they were to have existed even before the first trilogy and continue after the last. In a sense everything happens through their "eyes" so to speak.
Daniel Rivera
The first trilogy was to be based on the Jedi knights. Darth Vadar was a friend of Luke's father (yes you are reading this correctly) and a fellow Jedi in training. But he turns to the dark side which ends up forcing a confrontation with Luke's father and OB1 at the top of a volcano. Darth kills Luke's father and then OB1 continues the fight (much younger back then) eventually forcing Darth to fall into the volcano. However, being ever kind the Jedis rescue Darth from certain death - thus the breath mask to assist in breathing and covering the ugly scares (as seen in Vader's meditation chamber in Episode V.)
Remember in the first SW when OB1 hands Luke his father's light saber? At that time it WAS his father's saber because Vadar wasn't Lukes father. This also forced later scripts to have OB1 apologize for lieing to Luke.
Things radically changed for the episodic scenarios when the planning for Episode V started underway. Thats when the idea of having Vadar be Luke's father came into being (a very powerfull emotional ploy) and Yoda came into being. It appears also that having the princess be Luke's sister was decided.
By the time of the third movie I think Lucas had had enough SW and wanted to end it all. Ever since the start of making the second movie he had complained quite a bit about it being too much work. Thats why I think he had the Emporer killed off (?) to put a capstone to the work.
William Lee
The facts behind this all are taken from personal interviews given by Lucas very shortly after Star Wars first came out (Cinemefantastique magazine for the most part.) My magazines were never returned after lending them out and so I hope I am quoting accurately from memory. My apologies if I get something wrong. I always felt there would never be a first trilogy because Epsisode III would have to be a downer - the empire ends up crushing everything in its path leaving very little cheer about. Remember how the critics decried Epsisode V since it didn't lead to any conclusion? (I didn't like it because of that myself.)
Comments welcomed. Especially if someone has the original interviews and can give us some direct quotes. Again sorry if this is rehash.
Motorola Semiconductors Inc. Dave Trissel Austin, Texas {ihnp4,seismo,gatech,ctvax}!ut-sally!oakhill!davet
Charles Wright
Compared to the sequels he still is a god
Liam Scott
It's hard to believe but this is true, Some days ago i found a interview of Hammil saying how Lucas told him about wanting to make a prequel trilogy and asking him if he can come back in 2011 to play in a Kenobi-like role.
Camden Perez
He has nice ideas, like the OT, Indiana jones and all those games he helped with. The problem is that he's terrible with dialogue and editing, Everybody said that the original ANH was incoherent piece of shit until edited it to be more easy to understand. If only someone had balls to tell Lucas that he was doing a complete mess during the prequels we coul have gotten good movies.
Sebastian Davis
30 years later someone digs up shit you posted on Sup Forums.
Niggerfaggot.
Justin Diaz
>Remember how the critics decried Epsisode V since it didn't lead to any conclusion? (I didn't like it because of that myself.) Better hide this one from Empire fanboys. They hate when I point this out.
Nathan Wright
It's a pretty well known fact, and I have never seen anyone get mad over it.
Jacob Ortiz
youtube.com/watch?v=OM8V6Kd12oo I found it, 1:23. Anyone knows where i can find the full thing? It's really interesting and creppy how George had everything planned.
Luke Foster
I have every time I've brought up that "well known fact."
Mason Hill
Wait, Luke was originally gonna be in the prequels? and i like TFA that george had planned more than the one that we got.
Wyatt Powell
>internet >1984
how?
Wyatt Thompson
Shit, I tought that he made the prequels just for the money and i din't knew that he was gonna make the new trilogy.
Nicholas Hernandez
>1985 how does this exist? what were they posting this to?
even back then people noticed george fucking with the versions
Camden Bailey
He was in the prequels
as a baby
Benjamin Smith
Anyone one has this without a spic talking? How is that i never heard of this before?
Alexander Bennett
Yeah but Mark says that he was gonna be 5-6 years old there.
Brayden Baker
usenet newsgroups. everything (including ćüň) was shared there
Isaiah Sanchez
Old starlog magazine had the "trilogy of trilogy" idea laid out back in early 80s . WIsh I could find the issue It was the whole "obi Wan" is really OB-1 and was the last remaining clone from clone wars Also had Vader get messed up in volcano battle Some of the sequel trilogy was in there too but I can't remember...something about Boba
Oliver Ross
Internet was around in the 80s but there weren't any webpages, it was mostly just newsgroups and FTP. The easiest way to access it was via universities or working for large corporations. I think you could get it at home too but it was a major hassle to set up.
Samuel Taylor
>that thread titled a modest proposal
LITERALLY shitposting
Jordan Campbell
At least he doesn't talks over the interviews which are the important parts.
Carson Gray
youtube.com/watch?v=4UGV7WVB-bA of course he hates the Luke from TLJ, he and george already had a vision of how Luke was gonna be.
>Prequels were actually planned since the 80s >They are shit Bravo Lucas.
Carter Cook
>Anakin disfigured by a volcano was a part of some novelization I think it was the ROTJ novelization. I remember sperging out about that as a kid when my friend told me about it, the whole idea of Vader being in the suit because him and Obi-Wan had some kind of epic battle sounded so cool in your imagination and you always wished you could see it happen.
Kinda funny looking back at what a meme it turned out to be
Jace Jones
This is what happens you “plan” the vague details but don’t write a script until the night before
Daniel Reyes
>1985 Yea...Sure...
Hudson Brown
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Connor Barnes
Dumb frogposter.
Tyler Sanders
imagine having a life so empty & devoid of goals, that you read decades-old forums and comment about it on another forum.... kys you have no excuses.
Elijah Cook
i remember the old ass lego website gave away fucking everything. how anakin was made darth vader, who palpatine was. they were a spoiler playground
Wyatt Ross
Are there any more groups with super old stuff like this? It's almost fascinating to read.
I remember one of these discussing DBZ when it was airing, right after the Cell saga. People there weren't very different from the fags here.
Evan Collins
This, the broad strokes are fine but it fails on so many details in execution.
Logan Mitchell
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Dominic Powell
I don't think Lucas spen6 15 years fine tuning his scripts It mostly just an excuse to sell more toys after the Kenner stuff stopped selling. Hence why they tried to do the "epic continues" line with mongo beefhead
Jace Long
HAHAHAHHAHA
Carson Adams
>hype up and imagine the epic duel between Vader and Kenobi for years >it finally happens >everyone ends up memeing the shit out of the scene, most memorable part is the "high ground" line It's like a tragic comedy
Parker Hernandez
Fuck me that'd be a fun read.
Zachary Williams
Which one of you was this?
Jackson Thompson
I love reading this old stuff
Noah Cox
that's amazing, thanks
Jeremiah Green
I was 12 How old were you in 1985 Yes you
Julian Williams
Bump fir you
James Morris
I was -6 years old
Leo King
>my country was still struggling with gommunism while autists were already discussing fan shit on the proto-internet
Really puts things into perspective.
Grayson Hughes
i was born in 1992. I barely saw Star Wars when i was 19.
Nathaniel James
>execute order 66
Evan Cruz
>66
Blake Gray
good thing we're anonymous and it won't fucking matter cuckboi
Michael Harris
He is also bad at first drafts. >Luke is 60 with a robot head >frogHan >used car salesman 3P0
John Carter
Woooow so you mean act 2 of a 3-part movie series doesn't conclude the storyline? What the fuuuuck???
Camden Gutierrez
>You didn't miss anything. No where in the movies do they tell you that Lars was Obi Wan's brother. That little bit of information came out in the novelization of Return of the Jedi and there's really no excuse for it. The question should be: Why is in science fiction movies lately you have to buy the book to fully appreciate what went on on the screen? I can think of several examples. Maybe 2001 set a bad example. Steve Alexander cmaz504 at ut-ngp
4/6/84
Jordan Moore
The purpose of RotJ was to clean up and to leave no loose ends for the next three, which deal with rebuilding the Republic. The characters in this trilogy won't even be in the next one, so how can you leave stuff for them to do? That was from 1983. He was a prophet
Aaron Myers
>www.boards.ie
Never thought I'd see that trash heap mentioned on here.
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Landon Ross
Irishfag here, this is the most famous boards thread
>HOW DID HE KNOW 1977 rolling stone interview with Lucas
Carter Roberts
Its like Gene Roddenberry. Fantastic ideas, but he always needed someone there to say no to him when he went too far or just plain had a bad idea.
Josiah Cook
There were plebs BEFORE the internet. Read the letters pages for any classic comic or old fanzines and they're full of people with awful taste.
Andrew Cook
Hadn't considered this before even though it should have been obvious, but I think 3PO and R2 barely being in the ST is part of what makes it feel so out of step with the other films. Star Wars is grounded by these two nobodies who observe what's going on over the course of decades.
Ayden Torres
silver leg.
Thomas Carter
I hope Lucas' notes leak out someday or get released when he dies. I get the impression he had fairly different story planned in the beginning that would span 9 films and be more cohesive than all the Disney Wars shit. I think the old EU often attempted to do what Lucas would have done if he'd had more stamina and did the 9 or 12 films he had planned without the big gap in the 80s-90s. Imagine if he'd done the prequels immediately after RotJ and then the sequels at the time he did the prequels IRL. Could have been pretty cool.
Brody Fisher
Palpatine being the emperor's true identity was revealed in the ANH novelization before ANH was even in theatres.
Nathan Adams
Wow there were brainlets who didn't understand 2001 even back then.
Adrian Wilson
>carrie forced to awkwardly hold a turtle during the interview fucking brits I swear
Alexander Russell
Every time I see young carrie fischer I fall back in love with her
Jonathan Flores
Even back then, the 80's geek knew that Lucas was a hack
Leo Williams
That’s a tortoise, retard.
Julian Cooper
>internet >in 1983
Wut
Ian Nelson
>I remember sperging out about that as a kid when my friend told me about it, the whole idea of Vader being in the suit because him and Obi-Wan had some kind of epic battle sounded so cool in your imagination and you always wished you could see it happen. > >Kinda funny looking back at what a meme it turned out to be This
Carson Jones
The internet exists since 1858.
Wyatt Adams
Spotted the newfag.
Moot founded Sup Forums in 1981 redditurd.
Austin Torres
It was a lame ass fight , way too much cgi
Jordan Bell
And when people look back to these forums to see what's changed, all they will see is Bane
Charles Martinez
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Zachary Evans
Is this Mike or Rich posting?
Jaxson Hill
t. Al Gore's great granddad
Juan Price
BANE?
Dylan Kelly
Discrete Review: I started off not liking it, but changed my mind about half way through once I got used to the nauseatingly cute Ewoks (they had "New Star Wars Toys" spelled out all over them) and something else I'm surprised I only saw mentioned once so far.
I thought that RotJ was very heavy on gratuitous violence compared to both its predecessors. It bothered me that the audience would laugh every time a Stormtrooper smashed into a tree on his motorcycle. It ended up reminding me of nothing more than a live-action Road Runner cartoon. This casual attitude toward death was reinforced when all the good guys ended up coming back as holograms anyway. Kicked the bucket? Not to worry - you just get a bit translucent, that's all. Sort of takes away something in the dramatic impact department, though.
The plot: And now for something completely different. (The Larch). Did we really need to see *another* Death Star blow up? ("It blowed up good", "Yeah, it blowed up *real* good"). Is the plot of this series being recycled mod 2 or what?
Best part: when Luke slices off DV's hand, sees the machinery, and then flexes his own mechanical hand wondering if the Emp is right about his "destiny".
[...]
Although I thought the final confrontation with the Emperor was the best scene in the movie, I agree with the comments that it was a rather hokey way for him to go, down the hatch that is. I don't understand why he didn't just turn his high-voltage arcing on Darth Vader when he lifted him up. He just stood there frozen, uselessly zapping the ceiling on his way to be dumped. But it was great the way all the excess blue stuff came splashing back up the well after he hit bottom. Boy he sure had a lot of it stored up!
RotJ had its moments, but I think my thirst for SW movies has now been quenched.
Angel Gonzalez
>critics decried Epsisode V This is not news. The claim that the fans hated ESB is completely fabricated.
