Why was that guy guarding the joker from inside the room?

Why was that guy guarding the joker from inside the room?

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so that the movie could happen

He clearly wanted to beat the shit out of Joker for killing his friends. He even explains it to the audience.

so that the joker didn't get lonely

he wanted to fist the joker

So that the joker could taunt him and he would get angry and come close to the joker with an aggressive and careless attitude and the joker could take him hostage with a hidden knife

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All the action scenes in TDK are a fucking mess. To the point of being distractingly bad.

gotham pd has issues employ cops which aren't sloppy and vindictive.

He could have just walked up to him and start beating him then if he was allowed to just enter the room for no official reason. How did he explain his presence in the room to his boss? It looks like someone sent him there, but for what reason?

This.
I can't remember who uploaded it but some guy in Film Directing 101 analyzed the police escort chase sequence in TDK and it pretty much turns out that Nolan can't doesn't even understand basic principles of directing, which is why most people (myself included) subconsciously blot out the entire scene.
Some user posted it in that thread a couple of years ago determining if Nolan or Michael Bay were better directors. You can probably guess what the final result was.

Probably because it's a crime thriller, not an action movie.

At least they weren't as annoying as all the pseudo-intellectual dialogue.
It's like watching a Matrix sequel.

Maybe because commissioner Gordon used to be a coked, corrupt DEA agent in New York before he moved to Gotham.

steve bannon

And Lord of the Rings isn't a war film, doesn't mean it doesn't have action elements.
TDK has action scenes. Did it need them? No, but I didn't write the script.

So he didn't try to hang himself or try to escape while no one was paying attention

>You can probably guess what the final result was.

That Michael Bay is attracted to absolute garbage scripts?

They're pretty corrupt in that office, he probably just told an other on sight cop that he wanted to beat Joker's head in

They could have been paying attention to him from behind the mirror windows, you know? And promptly intervene in case Joker would try something. Also, actually send in a few fellows who can physically handle a dangerous psychopath, not an unarmed 50yo dad in a suit lol.

He woud have went to him with a bat and beat him then. Not just stand there and pretend like he's guarding the door.

Yes.
To be fair so is Nolan, except he usually co-writes them. His films seem better because they're higher concept and less adolescent, but quite honestly he can't even direct characters or character drama, or write it for that matter. He specifically wrote Dunkirk with minimal dialogue, and yet half the lines and Georgie's subplot are cringe inducing. Nolan is like an alien studying human behavior.

What is actually the point of Nolan beyond the concepts of his screenplays? I'd rather he just fuck off. Plenty of talented directors and screenwriters who could replace him on every single project he's ever done and the movie would come out better.
Look at TDK? The only notable aspect of which is Heath Ledger's Joker, which was entirely Ledger's doing.
What am I gonna remember better, a nonsensical (im)practical effect of a truck flipping, or Ledger's performance in the ensuing scene?

There's several action scenes in it. They're done horribly.

The same reason Joker is seen driving a cop car while hanging out the backseat - Nolan doesn't care about making any sense.

Yeah that is a very good video. Nolan has this weird belief that he can save everything in editing.

To hold the idiot ball

they were waiting for cia

Plot. Whole movie can't progress if that doesn't happen.
Or maybe it can, but it happens whilst Joker is quietly waiting in a cell which isn't really what most braindead fuckers want to see. Might have been better though.

Link please?

I don't remember this movie but how does he get out? Something dumb right?

This?
vimeo.com/28792404

one of his henchmen was driving though

We know for sure he directed it? Typically those scenes are just shot by second units/stunt units with their own director.

He wasn't guarding the Joker, he was guarding the outside world from chaos

whoa..

why would he be driving user?

>backseat
>driving

you are the idiot here, user

Watching this now I forgot how bad the dialogue in TDK is.

you fkn moron. do you actually think joker was driving?
he held this hotshot in ops pic hostage with a hidden knife to get out

damn...

Why'd you think it's Joker driving?

If it's the video I think it is, it's a lot of subjective shit and a whole bunch of deliberately miscontruing things.

Which is not to say Nolan's good.

Less than four minutes in and he's already fucked up. Nolan may have done intentionally, it may have happened by accident, but if, by using "flat, static shots" to depict the interior of the van, he's managed to disorient the viewer, than that acts as a perfect mirror of Harvey's own situation - he has no idea what's going on, he can't see anything happening ahead or to the side of him - he's trapped inside a metal box, completely at the mercy of his circumstances.

So even if Nolan's failed to show an "interior two-shot" - we already know which side Harvey's on, and thus, where the SWAT guy's sat - and if he's not showing us that, and thus making us feel claustrophobic and uncomfortable, then GOOD.

Same for "but why is he cutting away from the convoy!?" - well, to show us that the Joker's about to make a move, but we don't know precisely what or where, so as to build a sense of tension.

It's like he's being deliberately fucking obtuse, or he's being accidentally dense. Like because Nolan doesn't follow the flatpack film-making 101 blueprint he's clearly fucking up, as opposed to making conscious, creative decisions.

he should analyze the Batmobile chase in BVS because that pile of shit made Nolan's Batmobile scenes look great

>but quite honestly he can't even direct characters or character drama
He did a good job with Harvey Dent and Bruce / Alfred in Dark Knight Rises.
>Look at TDK? The only notable aspect of which is Heath Ledger's Joker, which was entirely Ledger's doing.
If you're a 13 year old boy who is just as wicked and edgy as the Joker, sure. If you're an adult who gravitates towards compelling characters with interesting arcs, Harvey Dent is the only notable aspect of Dark Knight. The Joker never has been a compelling character, people like to watch him to see what churraaaaazzzzyyy quirky stuff he'll do. When you're older than twenty, you'll grow out of finding that stuff entertaining, kiddo.

You fucking idiot

dunkirk isn't even sequential. is nolan retarded

>Harvey Dent
>notable
How's "my gf died and now I'm random" any good?

I don't care for the Joker either. Batman villains just don't work in a movie that tries to be taken seriously.

>le epic ">muh *insert something important to character" simplification meme
Knew you were underage.

If you think Harvey Dent is such a deep complex character that I misrepresented, then please explain how instead of name calling.

>wants do what is right
>accomplishes what batman wants to without wearing a mask
>wants to clean gordon's department of corrupt officers but gordon is reluctant to let him
>makes decisions on a coin toss, coaxes a criminal into giving up info under the guise the coin flip landing on the wrong side will execute him
>the coin is revealed to be two sided and dent has never left anything to chance
>get's fucked over by gordon's corrupt officers who kidnap dent and rachel for joker's scheme
>concludes law and order is irrelevant and the only source of fair, unbiased justice is chance
>uses the burned side of the coin to dictate whether or not to execute the corrupt officers in gordon's unit before going after gordon's family
I understand autists have difficulty understanding human emotions and motivations, hopefully you wont be too confused.

where are the other two parts??

Your post might have more merit if any of the other action sequences across the trilogy were any good. But they're not; they're laughably bad. Nolan can't direct action.

>Same for "but why is he cutting away from the convoy!?" - well, to show us that the Joker's about to make a move, but we don't know precisely what or where, so as to build a sense of tension.

The entire reason the convoy is moving out is because they know the Joker is going to make a move. We already know the Joker's intentions before the sequence. The guy that made the video is completely right. The ominous hum and the truck on fire, without the cut to the Joker, would've have been far more effective at building tension. It would give a sense of omnipotent, unavoidable dread.

not him but
>lefting out what he means for gotham and how the joker was right and would've won if batman didn't corrupt himself (lying and giving up his one rule, exactly what the joker said he would have to do to save rachel and eventually gotham) so essentially the joker was right all along and got what he wanted

I like this scene a lot though.

>wants do what is right
>accomplishes what batman wants to without wearing a mask
>wants to clean gordon's department of corrupt officers but gordon is reluctant to let him
Can be sufficiently summarized as "was an idealist". Which I did take for granted and ommitted.
>get's fucked over by gordon's corrupt officers who kidnap dent and rachel for joker's scheme
"my gf died"
>makes decisions on a coin toss, coaxes a criminal into giving up info under the guise the coin flip landing on the wrong side will execute him
>makes decisions on a coin toss, coaxes a criminal into giving up info under the guise the coin flip landing on the wrong side will execute him
>the coin is revealed to be two sided and dent has never left anything to chance
>concludes law and order is irrelevant and the only source of fair, unbiased justice is chance
>uses the burned side of the coin to dictate whether or not to execute the corrupt officers in gordon's unit before going after gordon's family
"and now I'm random"
>

>overanalysing a fucking batman capeshit character this much

I've never liked it, apart from the shot of the truck flipping. To me it always felt like a big set piece that fell completely flat. I think the video does a good job of explaining why it doesn't work. Compare and contrast it with some of the truck chases from Spielberg, Miller or Cameron.

>overanalyzing
>literally basic character progression
Holy shit.

>"my gf died"
He got half his fucking face fried and yes, his gf died because of the corrupt officials Gordon would not allow him to investigate. Having someone important to a character die doesn't suddenly simplify them, autist.
>"and now I'm random"
But it's not random

>traumatic thing happened to me now I'm edgy
It's such an old cliché. How does it make Harvey complex?
>But it's not random
Yes, he pretends to be random for a while just for the purpose of a dumb twist.

>some guy in Film Directing 101

>people who don't own self driving cars

Get with the times

TDK is shit.

>It's such an old cliché. How does it make Harvey complex?
There goes 99.9999% of characters in fiction. There's nothing wrong with having a traumatic event change a character.
>Yes, he pretends to be random for a while just for the purpose of a dumb twist.
What twist you autist. He has solid motivations for wanting to kill the corrupt officers I just explained it to you you low IQ subhuman.

TDK is Kino. It's Inception that's shit.

>There goes 99.9999% of characters in fiction. There's nothing wrong with having a traumatic event change a character.
I never said there was. But if that's pretty much all your character has then how is it a good character?
>He has solid motivations for wanting to kill the corrupt officers I just explained it to you you low IQ subhuman.
Yes but what is his motivation to pretend that he let's chance decide? Other than that the script wanted a twist?

here's a crazy thought, just hear me out.
Maybe, just maybe, these things don't matter because the montage makes it imperceptible to the human eye. Or are you gonna complain that the images aren't actually moving, they're just changing too fast?
t. don't even like nolan but can't stand faggots like that who think they're smart for looking at something frame by frame.

By everyone already knew that the chase was a mess. The video just explains why.

I saw dark knight theee times in theaters its opening week and the truck flip always got an audible pop from the audience and clapping when batman flips back around off the side of the building. Movie is amazing, people are just being contrarians for the laughs. And that doesn't need to mean Nolan is all that great but this movie is period.

>I never said there was. But if that's pretty much all your character has then how is it a good character?
That's not all the character is. You lack a fundamental understanding of the Dent character.
>Yes but what is his motivation to pretend that he let's chance decide? Other than that the script wanted a twist?
It's not even a twist. It's just a moment. You aren't supposed to fucking gasp when Rachel rotates the coin to reveal it's double sided. It's a quirk the character has, he used it on the criminal for a mock execution to intimidate him. The criminal didn't know it was double sided you dumb fuck.

Because he thought the Joker was a vampyre called Angelus who once murdered his entire family. This man is a timetraveler who wanted justice, but he underestimated Ledger's performance.

>the montage makes it imperceptible to the human eye.
what the fuck

>Nolan has this weird belief that he can save everything in editing.
If he really thought that he would do more than one take.
I don't hate him as a director, but he's just so fucking sloppy sometimes. It's annoying.

but only if you look at it frame by frame and be all pissy about muh rules of cinema. It's an ok chase, nolan probably fucked up on the planning but you can't notice it after the editing, and that's the whole point of editing. Even the guy said he just went back to analyze it because of a quote.

It's called a one-on-one. When patients or prisoners are considered suicide risks, a staff member is assigned to maintain direct and unfettered contact with the client. They literally just stand there and stare at you while you eat, shit.

The type of supervision can be much more intense based upon the risk assessment. He should've been in restraints already, and after he was interrogated, he should've been sedated. But that wouldn't have made for a very fun movie.

t. former psych. nurse

>but you can't notice it after the editing

Plenty of people can and did. Just because you didnt notice it was incoherent doesn't mean others couldn't.

>clapping

LMAO. Not surprised that kind of person liked The Dark Knight.

>Like because Nolan doesn't follow the flatpack film-making 101 blueprint he's clearly fucking up
every youtube film school drop out/critic/editor is like that. That's why I like to watch directors who don't even know what a medium is.

Thats a deep buffy reference man.

>You lack a fundamental understanding of the Dent character.
Then enlighten me. Actually describe to me his character.
Instead of just listing plot points.
>It's not even a twist. It's just a moment.
And why do you get mad that I omitted it in my "oversimplified" description of him?
What does it add to his character? He hates the guys who fucked up his life? Who wouldn't? What complexity does this add?

broken glass*

Honest question, what do you consider a complex character? name some examples.

no cops behind the one way, mirror... not enough cops in the building since shit just broke loose... must have eyes on the man at all times. Is it really that much to ask for you to improve the quality of your shitposting motherfucker?

>Then enlighten me. Actually describe to me his character.
I already did.
>Instead of just listing plot points.
They weren't just plot points.
>What does it add to his character? He hates the guys who fucked up his life? Who wouldn't? What complexity does this add?
You're trying to simplify him as "good man dislikes bad people". It's embarrassing. I can simply any character in fiction like that.

>He should've been in restraints already
Why was he ever not in restraints? Was che chained to the desk when he talks to batman.

I watched The Dark Knight for the first time a couple of days ago. Great film, but this whole section was disorientating af, now I see that it's straight-up incoherent.

If you want a recent example, Caesar comes to mind.

>I already did.
Where do you mention important things about his character that I hadn't already mentioned?
What is that "fundamental understanding" of his character that eludes me?
>You're trying to simplify him as "good man dislikes bad people".
I don't. I'm just saying this particular plot point added nothing worth mentioning to his character.

>Where do you mention important things about his character that I hadn't already mentioned?
>What is that "fundamental understanding" of his character that eludes me?
Already greentext it for you.
>I don't. I'm just saying this particular plot point added nothing worth mentioning to his character.
But it does, check out the greentext.

>If you want a recent example, Caesar comes to mind.
>muh peace

literally two seconds of googling and you'll find them you lazy fucker

holy...

I hope you're not talking about the digital monkey

batman removed his handcuffs earlier

You would make a shitty story teller, bruh.

>Already greentext it for you
And I already responded to it.
Just repeatedly pointing to the same post that I supposedly misunderstood, isn't going to help anything.
If there was something that I was missing then please spell it out for me.

>muh peace
Not even enough of a characterization to properly distinguish from other characters in the same franchise.

>I hope you're not talking about the digital monkey
Yes, even a fucking CGI monkey made a more complex and compelling character. That's how bad TDK is.

Yeah people get out of Film class and think everything has to be a textbook example of something already done, or else it's bad. It's funny, because modern filmmaking was basically invented by Orson Welles by getting hired to do Citizen Kane with zero experience in film.

>And I already responded to it.
>Just repeatedly pointing to the same post that I supposedly misunderstood, isn't going to help anything.
>If there was something that I was missing then please spell it out for me.
I already deconstructed your responses.

>Not even enough of a characterization to properly distinguish from other characters in the same franchise.
That's how shit and generic of a character Caesar is.

So you're saying the actions scenes are intentionally impossible to follow and nonsensical?
To what purpose?

did you even watch the video you faggot?
there are glaring mistakes, like showing the same event from different angles, but in one angle some important object isn't where it was supposed to be.

>feeling high and mighty over capeshit
Lmao you Star Pleb kids need to go back.

>ape no kill
>ape good
woah brava ceasear