Answer: "We talked with this heavily with ian Johnson, we talked about what could and couldn't be done in the realm of star wars. The fact that the resistance cruiser and the destroyer are so close in size, obviously one's still much bigger but still, is kind of what allows you to have this titantic explosion that happens. If you fly an x-wing into a ship at high speeds you're not going to get anything."
Why didn't they strap a hyperdrive to an asteroid or something?
James Morgan
That doesnt make any fucking sense. At hyperspeed the xwing would still drill a hole straight through it. Maybe a smaller hole, but there'd be a hole. If you aimed it precisely enough you could fuck stuff up real good.
Jacob Sanders
>ASSPULL
Blake Sanchez
C'mon dude lol just turn your brain off
Jacob Hernandez
The size would make it less likely to do that based on the established hyperspace rules in Star Wars. Did these people even watch the first one?
Gabriel Campbell
>Shoot someone with a shotgun >LOL WHY ARE YOU DYING? THE PELLETS ARE SO MUCH SMALLER THAN YOU LOL, THEY WERENT EVEN GOING THAT FAST EITHER!
Why are leftists so stupid, Sup Forums?
Wyatt Morales
But that doesn't answer the question. It doesn't explain how hyperspace rams work, or why it hasn't been done before. The answer is just saying "Here's why it did that much damage." Well no shit, a larger vessel will do damage relative to its size, that's perfectly obvious.
The answer doesn't explain shit.
Mason Martinez
Yeah that's why random fragments spreading out from the collision obliterate entire star destroyers lmao.
As expected the damage control is 100% hack mode.
Julian Martin
But that doesn't explain anything... Maybe I'm just the disgruntled older generation and should pretend these new movies don't exist.
Jason Butler
>Rian's trying to unring the bell Poor guy.
Grayson Lee
Testing ⭐
Nathan Bell
But there were two more cruisers that went down during the chase, couldn't one of those have been used to ram the FO ships?
Anyway fictional technical details aren't as important as the fact that the movie is still a poorly-edited mess.
Brody Campbell
>because they're close in size except one is way bigger! What did he mean by this?
Dominic Fisher
hyperspace ram it is kind of fun to say, I'll give it that
Brayden James
>being this much of a brainlet
Bentley Lee
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Alexander Wright
>watching youtube videos to explain your garbage flick disney is finished
Austin Ward
What, you want them to actually use science? To think?
How would you damage controlling cucks explain this then?
>Would wipe out the entire planet by way of dropping a high density rod from orbit there's so much kinetic energy >A ship travelling at the speed of light wouldnt produce factors more kinetic energy than this
Unless that ship was somehow more resilliant than an entire planet lmao. Soy boys btfo!
Jaxson Thompson
who wont resistance use drones?
Luke Gray
>hurr it's bigger therefore it's more dangerous Even a coin at light speed would wreck the moon dude
Adrian Cruz
>so close in size, obviously one's still much bigger >Raddus 3km in length >Snoke ship 60km wide What? the ship she flew in was about 20x the size of hers. How is that in anyway close in size?
Benjamin Wood
Why didn't Gandalf just hyperspace ram the eagles into Hogwarts?
Nathan Hill
>trying to use science to find plot holes in a space fantasy film What did the retards mean by this?
Noah Carter
That's about a good an explanation as the one for why Kylo sucked at fighting Finn and Rey in TFA. In reality you can't write without pulling shit out of your ass when it's convenient.
Kevin Rogers
why would it? if shields and materials are strong enough, it would just explode on impact and leave only a crater on the surface
Nicholas Ramirez
You mean this?
Ian Martin
All they had to do to fix this logic gap was insert a two shots:
1. General Hux orders energy be diverted from the shields to the cannons to destroy the escape pods faster. 2. Pink hair lady notices this and then lightspeed rams them.
Ryder Edwards
Disney really should have wrote three movies that make sense at the same time instead of shitting out TFA and then sucking all the shit back up into its ass with TLJ because logic dictates episode nine Balance of the Force will be the episode 7 shit reshit out.
Henry Diaz
>sucked at fighting Finn and Rey in TFA You what? He dominated Finn, toyed with him a bit, and then Finn got lucky and grazed his arm. So he put Finn down with ease.
Against Rey he wasn't trying to hurt her, and she only got the upper hand when she let go and used the force.
If you couldn't realise that then you're a retard.
Luke Stewart
That just opens up a new can of worms... Basic physics and maths tells us that a 1kg object travelling at 99% of the speed of light will impact with a force of 132 megatons...
This increases exponencially once you hit full lightspeed
Jonathan Wilson
>And this is another example of user on a mongolian mink-breeding forum fixing a major motion picture in two fucking sentences.
Asher Bennett
this. Holdo's whole point was to show why you should just trust in the strong womyn leader, but she allowed almost everyone to get killed unnecessarily. She saved the last ten people, but let hundreds get killed when she could have just done this hyper space ram at the start.
Eli Martinez
DS2 is 200km in diameter 433 Eros is potato shaped and 34km in length on the long axis, than's less than 6x the size measure by their length on long axis.
Attach hyperdrive to Eros, ram DS2, PROFIT. Rocks the size of Eros would be dime a dozen in every star system.
Nathaniel Cox
>they are so close in in size, obviously one's still much bigger What the FUCK did he mean by this? They could have easily said that the resistance cruiser had a special, ludicrously expensive/rare hyperdrive unit or something and any other one wouldn't work for the ram but this is the best asspull they can come up with?
Isaac Lopez
>Wouldn't work if you used a smaller ship
Okay, so? You could easily use many ships and bore millions of small holes, or use even bigger ships and bore holes in a Death Star Or if we want to actually apply real science to this, it doesn't even matter their fucking size
This movie has way too fucking many damage control articles, videos etc, it's pathetic
Lucas Williams
And that's why you should read real sci-fi instead. In Expanse space-niggers fuck up Earth doing this, killing billions. Star Wars is supposed to be fantasy in space, with no real physics involved ever.
Logan Ross
Men aren't smart enough to solve the complex problems that women can.
Anthony Peterson
Yea that would have been a lazy answer but at least it would have made some sense. Like a hyperdrive that can jump in and out of hyperspace very quickly. Then she set it to jump out of hyperspace right in the middle of the enemy ship, something like that.
Robert Peterson
Even if you restrict it to Cruisers it'd still be more practical to suicide one or two of those and cause intense collateral damage to the surrounding smaller vessels if you're going into battle with the expectation that you'll like lose similar ships in regular combat anyway
Hyperspace wasn't portrayed this way before for a clear reason
Jaxson Harris
>agrees that Kylo sucked at fighting
I accept your concession, you fucking retard.
Christian Watson
not necessarily. penetration distance would be related to mass
Ethan Morris
>they are literally putting video game easter eggs into these movies
Fuck that, I’m not watching anymore of this video
Bentley Bell
What does that have to do with anything I said?
Ryder Lopez
>If you fly an x-wing into a ship at high speeds you're not going to get anything." LOOK AT THIS FUCKING PICTURE A 1.2 cm aluminium sphere going at 6.8 km/s against a 18 centimeters thick aluminium plate.
Might as well shoot myself with a 5 mm, how could something so small do any damage to me amirite?
Since the video is 27 minutes long, can I get a time of when this question is asked?
David Phillips
No I do read Expanse, hence Eros.
I'm okay with Star Wars being soft as diarrhea in terms of the science. It's fine being fantasy in space with a thin veneer of sci-fi glossed over it. I don't feel the need to question why hyperspace in Star Wars does not cause causality problem, they want it, I want it, everyone else is doing it, it's fine. The problem is hyperspace ramming is trying to use hard(er) sci-fi logic in soft sci-fi story, and when you try to apply logic that way it ruins the illusion of soft sci-fi and invites all these questions we see in this thread. It fucks up your universe.
Jose Richardson
Star Wars' hyperspace technology is an elegant solution to the narrative requirement for a FTL propulsion system that can't be weaponized.
Ships in Star Wars never actually go faster than the speed of light while in realspace. They use a hyperdrive to "jump" into, then move through, hyperspace; a parallel dimension in which they can travel faster than light. While in hyperspace, ships do not interact with objects in realspace, so relativistic collisions are avoided.
HOWEVER. If a ship in hyperspace passes through the gravity well of a large object like a planet, star, or sufficiently powerful artificial emitter, it is inherently pulled back into realspace, possibly colliding with the large object *at sub-light speeds*. This is what Han Solo was referring to when he warned Luke about the importance of calculating vectors before making "the jump". The more powerful the hyperdrive, the more it can resist the effect of gravity wells. So in Star Wars, there hyperdrives can range from budget models, that require the ship to get faaaar away from planets and celestial bodies before making the jump, and there are overpowered hyperdrives, like the Millennium Falcon's, which can skirt dangerously close to black holes.
Additionally, the defensive shields of ships in Star Wars are robust enough to render sub-lightspeed ramming an ineffective tactic.
Matthew Lopez
>Easily handles two people while injured by a gun that sends other people flying >Easily handles two people while still dealing with the impact of killing his father Yeah, he totally sucked at fighting.
Bentley Gomez
JUST TURN YOUR BRAIN OFF BRO QUIT BEING PRETENTIOUS
Robert Nguyen
Going at relativistic speeds increases the object's mass because physics are bugged and need a patch.
Josiah Collins
Costa Rica doesn't have a military and it's fine, lad.
Parker Young
You know what Rey should do? Just use the Force to become giant, like a giant madame (marvel reference amirite fellow fans wink wink) then she is called white star and in one swoop just destroys the entire first empire.
Christian Reed
Or >this ship has an experimental prototype hyperdrive, more powerful than any other
Logan Sanchez
>the republic was a corrupt bureaucracy >so we should have a dictatorship led by the vastly most corrupt guy from the republic
Colton Jones
>a crater in a shield
>physics are bugged and need a patch nah our understanding of physics is weak and needs some grinding. too bad one lifetime isn't enough to really get that much insight
How about this: Space ramming has never been done before in SW because 1) Shields 2) When entering hyperspace you are not in the same plane of existance of the other ships so you cannot touch it at all But they developed this new hyperdrive whereas you are in some sort of bubble and, ah fuck it, this is stupid, just like with Lucas mistakes some faggot will come along and justify this bullshit.
Daniel Jones
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Aiden Martin
Kek no it isnt
Joseph Phillips
I'm not watching four videos to learn how it works!
Landon Ramirez
What if the projectile is not made of aluminum but rather made of cheese puffs? The cheese puffs regardless how fast it is would disintegrate
I think that's kind of their argument. The Supremacy is a gigantic, unobtanium whatever warship while the X-wings are rickety strung together made of soft metals. The X wings would disintegrate like cheese puffs
Kayden Hernandez
Space ramming was never done before in Star Wars because for all his faults, Lucas was actually thinking in terms of a cohesive universe he had in his head and two trilogies of films. If he ever thought of this concept, he would have immediately realized it was fucking retarded, Disney is just approaching this one film at a time without even a basic fucking outline of the overarching trilogy and Rian Johnson probably just thought "damn wouldn't it be sick if a ship like rammed the empire at lightspeed and it exploded into a million pieces"
Robert Rogers
Sheev wasn't corrupt
Asher Taylor
Robots are people too
Jayden Harris
It is though.
Carter Davis
At relativistic speed the physical strength of matter simply doesn't matter. Even if you're ramming into air at relativistic speed, even the atom in the air won't have the time to get out of the way, the atom would actually start fusing (as in, actual nuclear fusion, like a hydrogen bomb) with the thing ramming into them.
Samuel Myers
Does anyone remember if the first order had one of these with them? I can't find a picture of their fleet.
If they had one of these then they could say when Holdo's ship got close enough to the fleet, this pulled her out of hyperspace just in time to hit the big ship. These are supposed to prevent hyperspace jumps but maybe she was out of range when she jumped.
Blake Gonzalez
For a destructive capability of this magnitude, the First Order would have known that this was possible and spread out to minimize damage.
Jackson Davis
Interdictors are too advance of an idea for normies to grasp, it will never show up in a movie.
Brayden James
Depending on the speed and where it hit the cheese puff could annihilate a ship
Jack Robinson
what-if.xkcd.com/20/ >0.9999999c >At this speed, every carbon molecule carries 25 TeV of energy, comparable to particles in the beam of the Large Hadron Collider. A little faster, and we might spot Higgs bosons in the impact debris.
The X wing can survive the trip, it will be there. And it will hit.
Lucas Morgan
this, it all depends on how hyperdrives work. cause if you put a lightspeed drive on a 1 kg rock it should go faster than a 100,000,000kg ship, right?
the problem is that i shouldn't even have to think about this in the first place. fuck you rian
Ethan Nelson
Still doesn't fix anything. The ships behind the Supremacy that weren't firing would have still had shields, and they got blown the fuck up.
And for the sake of argument, lets say that every single SD dropped its shields as well. So now every battle simply becomes a race to see who can knock out their opponents shield first, and then hit them with a hyperspace missile of some sort.
The cat is out of the bag, my friend. No matter what they say to justify it, this one scene has ruined every single space battle of Star Wars, both past and future.
Carter Bell
disintergrate from what? There is nothing acting upon the cheese puff until it hits the ship. Which is where all the damage to the ship comes from.
Brody Clark
ITT mysoginists who cannot handle strong women
Jace Hall
>hyperspace jumping: Then Another dimension that allows for faster-than-light travel doesn't allow you to interact with normal objects save for ones with massive gravitational pulls >hyperspace jumping: now you're just going really fast.
Joseph Martinez
It wouldn't disintegrate. If you could accelerate cheese puffs to relativistic speeds, you could destroy planets with them. No problem.
Justin Gomez
It was always like that: hyperspace vs warp/ftl. TLJ just fucked it upp
Adrian Torres
black woman says fuck all. just sits there
Lincoln Parker
that... makes no sense at all. as speed approaches infinite, so does mass.
Jack James
Ok, the bullshit is said at around 11 minutes.
at 12:00 there is the X wing remark.
Joseph Rodriguez
hyperspace isn't just traveling at lightspeed though right? its jumping INTO hyperspace, which is some kind higher dimensional plane, and then coming OUT OF hyperspace in a different location in regular physical space. i assume that holdo wasn't actually ramming the new order ships at light speed, but charting her hyperspace jump so that she jumped INTO the enemy ships, coming out of hyperspace and entering the same physical space as the enemy ships, thus destroying them. this explains why the jump would penetrate the enemy shields (the shields exist in physical space which she bypassed by jumping through hyperspace) and explains why using smaller ships wouldn't be particularly effective (a smaller ship would only do as much damage as its size relative to another ship, an x-wing would basically create an x-wing sized hole inside a larger ship, this could be effective if very well planned and aimed but it seems relatively ineffective overall).
but this only raises an entire host of other problems. why not develop hyperspace bombs that just warp directly into enemy ships and bypass their shields? and the question of why nobody ever tried this before is still valid. warping right into the core of the death star probably would have been really helpful in new hope and rotj. and even though a single small ship wouldn't be destructive enough to to destroy an entire destroyer, you could still kamikaze a lot of small cheap ships and cause significant damage to a larger ship. hell, some sort of "warping into things" weapon could have been the main weapon for an entire movie. instead of another fucking death star.
John Rivera
>pain and anger fuels the darkside making you stronger except for Kylo, it makes him weaker.. lol
Luis Gray
>why not develop hyperspace bombs that just warp directly into enemy ships and bypass their shields? bc you cannot calculate the exact exit point
>two people you mean the space janitor and the malnourished teenage girl?
Sebastian Bennett
There's still about 30 other major flaws with the movie.
Luis Cox
>bc you cannot calculate the exact exit point Bullshit, Han exited hyperspace BY HAND in the space between Starkiller Base's shield and its surface from very long range.
Leo Cooper
Stop posting this bullshit.
Noah Baker
This was also completely retarded and complete lore rape
Angel Sanders
It was always just going really fast.
Liam Rogers
yeah I remember. It was stupid. Even more than hyperspace ramming because it proves that hyperspace is an another dimention. I am not defending anyone here