Why are artists and creators so sensitive to online bitching about their work to the point where they need to draw stuff like this? Shouldn't they know to ignore 99% of what the internet says in the first place?
It's like going to YouTube comments and be surprised when you're having a bad time.
People live in the internet now and that is a good part of who they interact with. It doesn't help that people act like assholes most of the time when they give criticism.
Most artists, like most creative types, are very sensitive and have a very thin skin. That's the reason Sup Forums chased off literally every artist to ever come here with the exception of a few smut drawers like @$$.
Gonna agree with this post. Everyone's a dickhead and can't even fathom giving constructive criticism.
Also OPs image does make a point about sexualizing characters. I don't care if you're not hurting anyone with your "fetish". Think about what you're doing with yourself
When you create something, it's a bit like your baby, it's your creation, and when people criticize it it can really hurt.
It's different if you just do a job according to someone else's instructions and the end result is a bit shit because you were sloppy with it, but when it involves actual creating, like imagining up something new, it feels like when people say it's shit they say you're shit.
It's why so many artists become alcoholics. It's all more personal and stressful.
And of course some creatives never thickened their skin so that they could learn how to deal with criticism, sadly.
Most people that actually give a shit about their craft have a thick skin, since taking criticism is so important to getting better.
If you're talking about the Drawthreads, artists didn't leave purely because of criticism but because of a mountain of other reasons.
>Boring requests
>People who got deliveries asking for the same request from other drawfags
>A lot of requests were bordering on /aco/ and people wanting free smut
On top of those who yeah, were going, "This sucks, stop drawing for this thread".
They do it because they want other people in their business to praise them for making something they agree with, most creators really don't care about their fans and just want approval from the people they work with.
Humans have sexualized everything since we figured out it gave us pleasure. There's a ton of fetish-y statues in museums that are thousands of years old. What is really the difference between sexualizing a drawing of a horse in a kids cartoon and sexualizing a real horse in a sculpture?
There isn't. You shouldn't want to fuck a horse in the first place. Pretty seen lHorses don't want to be fucked by people
>erotic requests don't belong on Sup Forums
Maybe not on this shitty Barney the Dinosaur happy-times kiddy web-forum this place turned into they don't. /aco/ was a mistake, blue boards were a mistake.
If you become an artist with the intent of showing people your work, I imagine audience reaction is a big part of your work and that you accept that. And yeah, people en masse saying it sucks would hurt, but isn't that the point? Isn't that like a comedian who gets no laughs becomes depressed for awhile but strives to do better? And if they don't, they just quit being a comedian because they can't hack that feeling of failure.
There are people who get criticism, disagree, get angry, and then say shit like, "I'm the creator, I don't owe you anything!" even though there's SUPPOSE to be a mutual relationship between the artist and the consumer. Without the artist the consumer would have nothing and without the consumer the artist would be nothing.
Otherwise, why bother showing people, just horde all your art, drawings, stories, and writing to yourself.
This is of course different from like, when a small minority bitches about the finale of a show even though the majority loved it, but then I have to wonder why is the creator so insecure the zone in on that small minority when they have a shit ton of fans that outnumber them?
It could be worse, you could criticize a critic since they are the most thin-skinned people alive.
This is the best representation of Sup Forums I've ever seen.
That probably has more to do with mods banning them.
I'm sure people know that you can't please everyone and you should learn from criticism, but that doesn't change that publishing your own creation is still making yourself vulnerable in a way that's very different to just following orders shittily.
Of course creators overreacting childishly are a bit juvenile and stupid, but nevertheless, the emotional vulnerability regarding your creation baby never really goes away. I know some successful career artists and all of them continue to be nervous over what people will think with every new piece they make. There are loads of hugely successful show artists who say they used to throw up before every performance for years. It's a part of doing creative stuff. When you create something, it's a part of you, and when it's criticized you're also being criticized. Not saying "don't criticize", but it makes it easier to understand why creatives overreact.
I'm sure a lot of people do indeed quit trying to make in creative fields because they find they can't deal with the nerve-wracking vulnerability and can't cope with the critique. It's a hard field. I couldn't do it. I have the skill, but I couldn't deal with that never-ending stress and putting myself out there like that.
OP, are you suggesting it's wrong to shame people who sexualize cartoon horses?
I should've known you guys were applefags
Coming from /ic/ the shit Sup Forums says in downright refreshing so I don't think that's the reason.
It's easier just to call critics trolls and haters than it is to improve or simply accept the fact that your work is flawed. Just ask /ic/
>Squalize me! I'm a cartoon horse!
i can't be the only one who sees that
/Thread
>Wanting every board to be porn dumps
/aco/ was a mistake and people need to stop being pussies still though
Early Sup Forums was fun and smutty without turning into a porn dump. I just want to go back to the way it was. Cartoon discussion and fresh 34 on the same board.
There's a lot of normies out there with tablet pens these days
>the internet
>people act like assholes
Why do so many people feed the trolls instead of just ignoring their posts and/or using a site's block/ignore/report/etc. functions?
Faggots with thin skin would rather demonize everyone who doesn't suck their dick than be convinced they aren't amazing 100% of the time
>Sexualise
this
You're in samefag central and you ask that?
It doesn't matter if you don't feed the trolls; they'll feed themselves.
aval0nx is too busy trolling online finishing his damn comic like we promise
And also mentioning Pacifica to Alex Hirsch in a positive light would triggered him
Such as who?
Hirsch gets angry at really simple things like fan questions. The guy comes across as a twat who doesn't know most of his audience is children.
They're venting in the same way you're venting by making this thread.
>Pretty sure horses don't want to be fucked by people
That's not true, horses make moves on their owners all the time. Especially mares in heat.
>artists being faggots
wowzers, who could have seen this one coming?
>ugh technology
>It doesn't help that people act like assholes most of the time when they give criticism
This really can't be overstated enough. A lot of the time the line between constructive criticism and troll bait gets blurred and it's hard to figure out what you should actually take as advice. I can imagine constantly wading through insults for the sake of improving will take a toll on you no matter how thick-skinned you think you are.
If my time on Sup Forums has taught me anything...
Is that fanbases are mostly full of idiots that have no idea on what they are talking about, how you create a story and its structures, and that most of the "fandon" are PATETHIC autistic neets that are way inferior to me.
Sup Forums and tumblr showed me how patethic and stupid fanbases can be. They deserve to be shitted on.
>Why are artists and creators so sensitive to online bitching about their work to the point where they need to draw stuff like this?
Because it's getting worse and there's nothing worse than having your inbox be filled with nothing but bitching about the most stupidest of shit because a fandom is angry about how their fanfic wasn't reality or some other bullshit about how their drawing isn't "right" because of god knows why.
Thanks to social media fans and creators can talk to each other, often in real time, and most people are dumb.
On the converse side: why do you feel like your criticism should be taken seriously?
its hard to get under the skin of smut drawers because they've already lost all respect for themselves. See shadman
Story behind this pic pls
>that image
>"I can't handle critique BAWWWW"
what a faggot
>"sexualize me! I'm a cartoon horse!"
well he's not wrong there. also my captcha was virgen blvd.
>boo hoo hoo the fanbase i'm apart of is giving CRITICISM! the humanity!
Is that you, Phil? Samurai Jack season 5 was terrible.
Nah, criticism can be good.
When given by 5%of the fanbase (and it can be pretty harsh criticism that say that everything is wrong). BUT the rest are usually just idiots.
You are probably among them.
But the issue about this speciphic type of person is that they NEVER take in consideration that they might not be part of these 5%.
>Samurai Jack season 5 was terrible
Did I land in Bizarro world or something?
>Think about what you're doing with yourself
I know pretty damn well what I'm doing to myself, thank you very much.
I remember this period of time around 2010 and 2012 where nobody gave a shit whether you posted porn on a blue board or not, so long as it didn't devolve into off-topic porn dumping. Boy, do I miss those days. It was still against the rules, but the mods weren't overly zealous about it.
>>People who got deliveries asking for the same request from other drawfags
This should be justifiable homicide right here and I don't even draw
No one is built to handle the attention of thousands or even millions of people. No one. And having a bunch of them gang up on you, even if you expect it to happen, is hard to go through. Yes, people need critique to get better, but there's a difference between giving constructive criticism and using someone's art as a punching bag. Doing nothing but bashing Dare I say, it's like when people justify fat-shaming by saying it encourages them to lose weight. This is why I don't go on /ic/.
And don't say "just don't go online". Fuck, you know as well as I do that 99% of communication between artists and their audience is done online, especially if you're not in art school. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
Few jobs require you to expose so much of yourself as the arts do. Having your art publicly eviscerated is a very personal attack. It's not something accountants or burger flippers face. Sure, it comes with the territory and professionals ought to learn to take it better or ignore it, but that's easy for us to say.
That said, maybe fans need to learn to take it as much they give. If you think this is offensive, you may be a bit thin-skinned too.
Nah. It's because those trolls are also most likely to apply to be janitors/mods, and ban artists. For some reason Sup Forums is a lot more puritanical than Sup Forums about this kind of stuff.
He does not sound angry, and he even said that people can draw whatever
all artists must be killed
they don't exist
>Me Dumb hat
Clever.
>Why are artists and creators so sensitive to online bitching about their work
Because negative word of mouth can ruin their careers
Even worse when it is over trivial shit like not supporting the right agenda or not making someone's fanfiction canon
Something tells me Andrew Dobson is a warning. Not just himself, but the people who attack him. (and I don't mean talking shit about him in Sup Forums, I mean like the water bottle guy.)
should have been acid
With the way Dobson's been handling it these days, yeah. It should have been acid in hindsight.
I actually felt sorry for him when he was attacked by the spray bottle, but then you read his twitter recently and all empathy goes out the fucking window. How does he do it?!
>me dumb
BUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN.
Who made this anyway?
being a liberal robs you of any positive human qualities
>spend hours wading through garbage in the hopes that you'll find a useful comment
vs
>asking for comments and criticism from people you know and trust
there is literally no reason to read internet comments if you're an artist, complaining about them means you're willfully looking at them and it is therefore your fault
Dunno about that. He seems hated by practically everyone except a few trannies. And Moviebob.
>asking for comments and criticism from people you know and trust
but that's how you get a hugbox
and nothing kills any chance for improvement quite like a hugbox
>Dunno about that. He seems hated by practically everyone except a few trannies. And Moviebob.
I em pretty sure he has his own SJW fanbase fawning over him
Otherwise he'd never get such huge ego or become so notorious
I remember there used to be a time people used to like him unironically
he even worked as an artist for Screwattack
That's Moviebob you're thinking of.
Dobson used to work for Brentalfloss.
>but that's how you get a hugbox
Not if it's people you trust enough to give you legit criticism.
At some point the hatred simply becomes masturbatory. See the /doag/ or QC threads on this very board.
>muh liberal boogeyman
Fuck off already, Sup Forums.
Actually, most artists have very thick skin. You can't survive (a good) art academy with thin skin because your teachers will tear your soul apart.
You want to see grown men and women cry? Go visit an art academy during the exams week.
As long as you work and get paid, why you should be concerned about negative comments on the internet.
The important thing is that they like at the boss/editor.
because bad word of mouth can ruin any chance of ever getting work gain
>neckbeards on the internet bitching about how the show isn't like their fanficition will ruin your career
no
Depends on the neckbeards. If they are persistent enough, they might do some damage.
Chances are higher if they are legbeards and/or transexuals.
the fact that this is even a question is pathetic especially knowing that the majority of Sup Forums can't create anything worth shit.
>Why are artists and creators so sensitive
Are you retarded?
Name a time that has happened in the animation or comic industry.
That doesn't sound angry at all.
It. Was. A. Joke.
Sounds impatient to me.
Well we had the incident with fan giving an artist a cookie with a hidden needle.
mobile.twitter.com
We also nearly had a guy shoot up a con while pretending to be the Punisher wanting to kill Jason Frank.
phoenixnewtimes.com
We have some seriously deranged and obsessive people lurking in Fandoms more than ever now, more likely to blow up and take as many with them as they can.
>tfw new write/smutfag
>barely any replies, all positive or constructive but your shit gets views.
>Haven't been called a retard yet so presumably they like it.
It's been pretty fun, I'm already 4.5 pages into a new one since friday, while writing a new chapter of another one in parallell. Hopefully people will like both
The "Misery" obsessed fan is nothing new, though. But that doesn't mean those people lost their jobs as a result of talking to fans. I was under the impression that there were instances where artists had gotten tons of negative feedback from fans and as a result, got fired from the studio, not actual attempts on their life.
>everyone that disagrees with me is a brony that looks at mlp porn
he is wrong by virtue of strawman
They have pride in the work, it's really that simple. I don't get why this is a hard concept.
The pic doesnt say everyone, its aimed at an speciphic kind.
>Not getting the bullshit select every vehicle/streetsign captchas that never fucking work.
Tell me your secrets user
>people justify fat-shaming
there is literally nothing wrong with fat-shaming
Those were the good times. I still remember them fondly. I would literally prefer an non-moderated Sup Forums to the castrated board we have now.
it's so brave to make fun of people while anonymous, isn't it?
go ahead, let us see what you look like
It's so brave to call someone out anonymously, isn't it?
Go ahead, try to white knight in person, let's see how fast you back down.
t. insecure fattie
Dude, take it from a fat guy like myself. Some fat is ok but if it's to the point where it starts to hinder your mobility, it's time for a change in food choices.
Because artists need to realize that the difference between them and a dancing monkey at a street fair is that the monkey is guaranteed a piece of bread and shelter.
Seriously, they're here for our entertainment. Like, yeah, maybe .00000001% of them are capable of True Art, which acts as a mirror for our society. But the overwhelming majority of artists are just craftsmen who craft entertainment. And the sooner they understand that, the sooner they'll grow to either kill themselves, or do their jobs of being entertaining.
Now dance, monkey, dance!
What's wrong with masturbating to cartoon horses? It's not like your dick can tell the difference.
...
Wait, what did the "man" say recently?
>fat guy at the gym
at least he is trying/ attempting to lose weight
next time try to catch him at mcdonalds
Because you fucks show up, shit on people who like things, ruin communities, make everything needlessly hostile, and generally chase off the people with jobs and money.
Yeah, that's when it's literally that person is just being an asshole, not trying to humiliate someone into changing themselves for the better. Which you know, is what living in a society or a group environment is suppose to do to keep people from being disgusting and weird.
What is Milo doing at a gym?