With the general perception that anime is for freaks and Western cartoons are for kids...

With the general perception that anime is for freaks and Western cartoons are for kids, Sausage Party set out to PROVE animation can be for grown-ups too. What went wrong?

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It was too immature. I mean, I liked it and loved smoking pot with it. Most people outside of the 15 - 27 age range are not going to watch it.

I feel like the best way to make adult animation would be to have a life action movie with a lot of animated segments strewn throughout (or a Roger Rabbit type movie).

Make multiple of these and turn it into a genre eventually making the animation the thing that people go to the movie for.

In 20 years you could probably make adult animation viable this way.

>what went wrong?

nothing?? It was so succesful it will get a sequel
comblr BTFO

Adult cartoons can be funny without excessive cussing, weed references, and raunchy sex jokes.

It's fine for what it is; a blatantly dumb, immature, silly adult movie. It isn't some sort of grand, revolutionary film, especially given that there have been adult cartoons for ages, not to mention Fritz the cat did the "cartoon movie but for adults" thing long, long before this.

It was a commercial endeavour spearheaded by people who don't care about the medium who mistreated the fuck out of the animators.

Western animation will only stop being for kids the day it drops a daicon iv

>Fritz the cat
that movie was terrible....
I left it in a bad mood.

>the day it drops a daicon iv

A what now?

It was an immature mess despite being R rated. I mean for fuck's sake, the hotdog buns resemble vaginas, how can you think it'll revolutionize anything.

Granted it's funny, but it doesn't deserve nearly as much praise as it got, especially when the whole thing about the poor working conditions came to light.

Underpaying and uncrediting workers with the threat of blacklisting them from the industry if they speak up

Also all it did was perpetuate the perception that cartoons are either for kids or are adult comedies like Family Guy, The Simpsons, Futurama, etc. In my opinion the biggest recent thing that could have, and kinda did, challenge the animation age ghetto was Samurai Jack Season V but then again it was airing on Adult Swim which has proven to be mostly niche and it aired right next to an aforementioned anime.

Never said it was good, it's just the earliest example I can remember.
I don't think it was too bad, but it definitely felt like a movie you're meant to watch while you're high, as much of a cliche as that is to say.

The world needs more people like Ralph Bakshi.

Maybe. It was definitely one of those "feel bad" kind of movies because Fritz is such an unrelenting scumbag and he accomplishes nothing.I'd be miserable if I watched it while high.

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Basically this was back in the day when studio gain a were literally a bunch of college dropouts working in a sweatshop off their own dime to make animation.

See, the thing that makes it special is that this was around the time that anime wasn't considered for adults. Once upon a time, it had the same stigma as Western cartoons. But bit by bit, they started making stuff like gundam to try and expand the medium. It could have been a fluke, but when a bunch of rogue animators just dropped this shit at a convention, it changed everything. It gave the movement an identity behind a genuinely moving art piece, and it wasn't made for profit. It was made out of passion. If this hadn't dropped and kickstarted an unstoppable movement establishing anime as a thing adults could be into, they would be in the same spot we're in today.

So it's not gonna get better with some giant media company making a gimmicky adult stoner movie. It's gonna get better when enough people male enough adult content at the same time, and then some really talented dudes make something genuinely special enough to literally save western animation and inspire everyone else to keep making adult animation.

I don't get how that would prove anything?

Daicon is Japan's equivalent of Comic-Con. During the fourth ever held one (hence roman numeral IV); the opening ceremony featured a AMV-Featurette done by a bunch of animation students in their dorm(s). Said students were founders of Gainax.

the problem is this
"adult cartoons" appeal to children
"children cartoons" appeal to adults

>DUDE [WHAT IF FOOD SMOKED] WEED LMAO
>for adults
>not just juvenile

Literally nothing went wrong.

It will be a cult classic alongside Pinapple Express and Cheech and Chong in 30 years.

>Adult Cartoon
>still completely immature

are you autistic or 11?

What's wrong with Sup Forums? Not long ago would there have been 100 posts hating on this abortion of a movie.

It's funny that even tough this movie mocks Pixar, actual Pixar is capable of creating far more grim and edgy storylines.

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Why is Sony so bad at everything?

Surely everyone is tired by now of the same fucking thread with the same fucking OP pic with the same fucking replies

Question, Will the US EVER be able to produce an animated film that is closer to the horror that is Shoujo Tsubaki?

Yes, the film its a nightmare of hell, but the story behind it is FASCINATING.

Bojack horseman did a better job doing that.

you mean the screening of the movie only in circus tents?

also if the US attempted a similiar movie it would just be DUDE GURO LMAO so no

They made hot dog bun characters with vagina mouths
what went right

What about a live action movie that turns into an animated movie about 20 minutes in, then back to live action in the last ten minutes?

My God...

It's glorious.

>literally celebrating all sorts of fantasy and science fiction of the day
>even stuff from overseas

American nerd culture is so antagonistic towards one another that we'd never even have something like this at Comic-Con.

thanks for educating me on this, i came.

Oddly enough, the manga which is based off was sold in the US legally, and the circus tent was just a stage for look, Hiroshi Harada (The Director and sole animator) intended to be released at independent theaters but the film was destroyed by Japanese airport Customs, NOT the government, it was already censored from 53 to 49 minutes since Harada ACTUALLY submitted the film to Eirin (Japan's film board) which requested 29 edits before it could be released more widely.

The film is not really banned around the world and not in Japan, but it's screenings were very sporadic, and it only survives trough a beta tape transfer done trough telecine, it was released in France on DVD by CineMalta.

LiveStrider got A LOT of shit wrong and he even calls Harada a Degenerate shut in! The guy suffers from severe ulcer which means he can't move constantly, and yet people think he is a creepy weirdo on restraining order or something, the guy is actually just a regular dude but with a desease, he even got bullied in his youth due to his condition.

thanks for educating me on this, know any more cool retro anime facts, nerd?

>Most people outside of the 15 - 27 age range are not going to watch it.

That is far too old for this movie. Try 11-14.

>mfw looking this shit up at 3 am

Y A M E R O O O

If Daicon was a testament of what can be done in animation, which lead to Gainax, then what Hiroshi Harada did to adapt Shoujo Tsubaki into a medium taking the risks that he took and takin into account the censorship he might expected, at the very least should be a telling of inspiration.

..........Juuuuuust as long if it's not a horror manga that has the worst and cruelest shit ever that might get people arrest if tried today........

Why did Mr Harada choose out of all things adapt a horrorific manga by Suehiro Maruo and adapt the horrible shit that happens there and even add more shit was anyone's guess....

why are you so obsessed with that movie you fucking autist

For Guro LOOl we have South Park, but the thing is only they can manage to do it, Family Guys Gore is not funny, it's actually gross, almost at the level of Shoujo Tsubaki................

You see this, Sup Forums? This is why western animation will never reach daicon tier.

You sold out to normies. You have people legitimately asking, in an offended and disgusting tone, why you like something weird and obscure and interesting.

...

Dude I hate that movie I am just looking into its production history which is somehow inspiring, although I wouldn't spend my life savings animating something myself, but the Falcon shorts we're done in a similar fashion weren't?

Also unlike Richard Williams, Harada DID Finisterre his project and released it as he wanted............... Tough at the expenses of giving people nightmares.

>People didn't expect DUDE WEED LMAO in a Seth Rogan movie

I highly enjoyed it.

>no actual animation jobs in america anymore, it all gets outsourced to canAda
>what does get done here is just really commercialized family movies for normies
>conventions are too big and normiefied for artists to really make a splash there anymore, and youtube killed indie animation online

>people still lie through their teeth saying western animation is fine

>you will never spend your life savings on basically an animated snuff film for carnies

What even happened to him afterwards?

A million times this. I'm certain it will eventually happen. It's never been a better time in history to gather up a bunch of passionate people and animate something amazing. Hell, they can all live in different countries. The hardware and software costs very little if costs are split or crowdfunded.

It just takes the right leader to pull it all together. Unfortunately, the U.S. is fresh out of effective leaders in pretty much everything except the tech fields.

As for as Daicon, this wouldn't be the last time Anno (one of the guys working on it) would save animation. Anime was growing very stale back in the day until a little known anime called Neon Genesis appeared and once again kickstarted anime.

Everyone fucking knows this movie that doesn't live under a rock
If you want to talk about some fucking ancient anime just go to Sup Forums

Why does have the pear have a bunch of eyes?

>He thinks animation is going to get out of its ghetto
>when film in general is in a massive ghetto and is projected to crash outright in the next couple of years due to out of control outsourcing

Even the VFX industry is feeling the heat.
Theatre release movies might genuinely not exist anymore in our lifetimes.

That's a potato fuckwad, It's supposed to be a potato joke.

Go to s s sleep or I will eat your b b brains

This is the problem in my opinion. It's still targeting a niche audience, people who like family guy, which isn't for everyone (especially current seasons of family guy).

If you can't think of an adult story without excessive swearing, sex jokes, etc, then you fail as a writer.

but thats about 100 bucks

You ever think the reason nobody takes western animation seriously is because western animators.... just aren't good enough?

Seriously, you go watch anime, and despite working for pennies the work effort and quality that comes out of the hundreds of shows the put out are a selling point in and of itself, compared th american animators who pump out mmmmaaaaybe five shows a year, overpriced, cutting maximum corners, making content that no one really cares for.

Well yeah. How much do you really think you're worth?

How come cartoons can't compete while videogames are in a golden age?

>mobile suits from gundam
>ultraman and godzilla monsters
>duel with Darth Vader
>Xenomorph weilding the ship from 2001 and Dynaman's robot
>Blink and you miss it Yoda and C3PO cameo
>Bunny-girl flying on Stormbringer with a squad of ships from Ultraman over the original Wildness Survival hex-map from Dungeons and Dragons
>Battle with Macross, Arcadia, Yamato, and VF-1 Valkyries
>LotR, Conan, Pern, Narnia, Guin Saga
>Marvel and DC
>Klingon Battle Cruise, Martian Saucers, TIE Fighters, Thunderbird 3, Millenium Falcon
>70s/80s Japanese anime/toku pop culture icons, like Kamen Rider, Nazucaa, Mazinger, Kikaider, and Cutie Honey
>White Base and Gotengo crashing into each other
>Robbie the Robot and the robot from Silent Running
>Q-taro and Doraemon cosplaying a Zentradi and Char
>Sun Vulcan
>Huge crowd show with Machinemench, the Metaluna Mutant, Flash Gordon, Mutley, the Gunslinger, a Replicant, the GillMan, Zardoz, Snake Pliskin, Lum, The Invisible Man, and Bert and Ernie
FUCK

Literally the most horrific and repulsive animated movie ever was animated by a single dude because he wanted to see it animated so badly.

It's an absurd amount of effort for something so outlandish, yet it'll always be hidden away because of its content instead of being heralded as one of the great passion projects.

As weird as it is, that level of madman levels of dedication are kind of what American animation needs to kick its ass into high gear with taking animation in more directions that the toy aisle at Wal-Mart.

Anime only panders to shut in Otaku nowadays, also anime isn't mainstream at all

and of course the west can't compete with a country where people literally work themselves to death

Sealed with a kiss was animated by only one dude aswell, no one is talking about that movie either

Strangely that movie entirely does belong in the toy aisle of walmart.

I wish we had more Sita Sings the Blues.

Shoujo Tsubaki was traditionally hand-animated, looks like it was done by a real studio from the time despite being made on a single person's life savings, and is quite literally banded from Japan and a ton of other countries.

Sealed with a Kiss was done in Flash and had a budget of $2mil.

It never set out to prove it was for grown-ups.

The only people who thought were cartoonbrew and some retarded memesters on Sup Forums.

It was just a dumb stoner crude comedy. That is all it wanted to be. Nothing more.

THAT'S what I was talking about.

Look, Shoujo Tsubaki is horrible, but not horribly done or executed, it's based on a horror manga for fucks sake and apparently it is the tamest of the author's works, I actually read the manga, and believe, there's significally less Gore in its printed form, and, call me crazy but, it's somewhat, less scarring, aside from the animal cruelty and the abuse Midori has to suffer, I mean the manga was published in the US oddly enough around the same time the movie came out.

Also most of the scarse info on it that is on the web seems made up or mislead, like the whole forbidden around the world and the Japanese government destroyed it or that 20 minutes got deleted from it! (It was actually just 4), heck most stupid cartoon reviewing smuchs don't even know that this was adapted from a manga done by Suehiro Maruo who is the father of Horror and Gore in Manga, and they assumed that Harada just did all because he came up with it.

Mary and max

sauce on webm?

The Congress.

>video games
>golden age
not after what i've seen so far with E3

OH FUCK WHAT IS THAT

Just a Gorilla Grodd

fucking destroyed

I mentioned already but Shoujo Tsubaki isn't truly banned, in the whole sense of the word.

Look, the film got made in the span of 5 years and released in 1992

After his initial screening in a red tent made for the movie, Harada submitted it to the Eirin Board and they requested 29 edits so the film when from 53 to 49 minutes.

It was screened privately from time to time up until 1999 when the original film print was shown outside of Japan, like for real.

When it arrived back at Japan, Japanese Customs from the airlines seized and destroyed the film print.

Harada had save only a Betamax of the film since and he learned that the negatives were destroyed by what it seemed more of a dick move, he got pissed off and refuse to let the movie being shown again afterwards.

But in 2006 he mellowed enough to allow an official DVD release on France and even made a documentary for it, it's even on YouTube (hard to watch due to being spliced with scenes from the Alpha Gory bits but what he says comes from his own mouth and it's rich).

Since, the film was shown on festival screenings at least twice in Japan as of 2013 I recall.

I dunno, but apparently Harada had already a background of working at other studios, hence the scenes of actual motion look like it was done by an anime studio.

All this things I said about Shoujo Tsubaki and I ask..

Where will ever by a true horror animated film?

NOT a spooky film that is light-hearted but with out of place spooky shit like or a comedy parody.

The closest we have is Frankenweenie, Monster House, Tim Burton Stopanimation, Coraline and Book of Life.

All restricted to still being Walmart hipster marketed let it go crowd.

it was so ridiculous even teens would've thought it was stupid.

It was a premise that could've worked fairly well but they tried way too hard to be "hey look at this it's Mature and for adults, dude weed, boners douche lol" it was just cringey. Some of the scenes actually tap into some dark shit, like the douche's arc that to consume is to be a god, and he starts eating other products. There's also things like watching all the messed up stuff that happens to food as its "prepared".

But then they ruined it with literal food porn and edgy drug jokes.

The ending especially is just fucking ridiculous and super cringey. Fuck even South Park would be embarrassed to pull something like that.

Coraline is a legit animated horror movie. At least for kids.

My little sister couldn't bear to watch it by herself when she was 8

It did the exact opposite

>Sausage Party set out to PROVE animation can be for grown-ups too

It didn't really do anything that wasn't already done by other adult cartoons, though.

>Anime was growing very stale back in the day until a little known anime called Neon Genesis appeared and once again kickstarted anime.

That's a complete bullshit narrative. Plenty of damn good anime was made in the early '90s, its just that Eva kickstarted the popularity of anime series among mainstream adults and encouraged fare that appealed to that audience to become more common in late night slots. Eva is incredibly idiosyncratic in its own right anyway.

This. It just made everyone see animation as a joke. And the fact that the animators were treated like shit probably sealed the deal.

there was no dark shit in the movie you fucking pussy

Because it wasn't "adult" in the slightest. The only way animation can be taken seriously as a medium is if it tackles adult THEMES, not just cursing for an hour and a half. But the thing is, that is already a thing. There's simply no reason for SP to exist, other than to make a quick buck from gullible idiots that think it would actually make a difference.

dear gosh that art style is awful

It was childish and made for freaks.

Let's wait and see what Nintendo has in store in about two and a half hours.

I will end you

>With the general perception that anime is for freaks and Western cartoons are for kids, Sausage Party set out to PROVE animation can be for grown-ups too. What went wrong?
That's not what it was doing.

It was simply marketing. To be the first 3D fully animated R rated adult cartoon comedy.
It was basically the same thing Fritz The Cat was going for. A mediocre flick that had it being mostly unheard of be its selling point.

I love the use of Electric Light Orchestra

They succeeded in what they set out to do, this board is the place convinced the fate of anything hung in the balance. They wanted a stupid adult comedy about food and made one that did well.

3rd thread I have seen of it this month and there were surely others. Those others tired people out and some people can get over a movie, besides being on netflix now people probably never see or hear of it again so less reason to needlessly bitch.

>I feel like the best way to make adult animation would be to have a life action movie with a lot of animated segments strewn throughout

Kill Bill Vol. 1 did that. Well, sort of, it only really had one animated scene.

it's hard enough just to scrape by in america even working full time. Working for hours on end for an animation and finding others with similar passion who can also afford it is basically impossible.

It sux.

I feel like if Laika's efforts couldn't garner more interest in animation as an art form then nothing can. I have lost hope.

Its a shame that Ralph Bakshi was constantly fucked over and never had the budgets he needed.

1. The movie plot reeks of a shitpost that would get upvoted on /r/atheism

2. Continues the perception that adult animation is only good for pop culture references and edgy "dude drugs lmao" jokes

3. Even for a Seth Rogen movie, it wasn't that good. Superbad and Pineapple Express are still funny to me. Even Zack & Miri Make A Porno was better than this trash.

You know that the way is going to happen is that some furry artists is finally going to become mainstream and is going to make a grim-dark angst ridden talking animal thing. That's how comics did it

Fuck you R. Crumb.

Is this bait?

Bakshi had the right idea.

Bakshi was a hack.

Why did Bakshi hate Don Bluth so much?