In your opinion, how gay is too gay Sup Forums?

In your opinion, how gay is too gay Sup Forums?

There is no such thing.

the gay for pay that marvel is currently doing is too gay
they should have just made some new characters if they wanted diversity, but i'm sure you've all heard this before

A blinding, infinite void of bright pink light.

When it's focusing on virtue signalling instead of lusty traps.

this

When they use being gay as a primary plot point.

When you're slipping on frozen semen

This.

Also awesome gays like Midnighter

More like "Not Gay Enough!"

I'm through with this mainstream gay crap. I want a series with Northstar agrees to an open marriage and sleeps around. I want stories with him going on gay cruises, gay porn theaters, etc. I want him to bring young Iceman to a gay club and set him up with older men, etc, etc.

Basically, drop the idea that gay culture is safe and cuddly and no different from mainstream society. Tell weird stories instead.

That sounds interesting, but I think the problem is the mainstream media is too scared of depicting gay couples as anything but perfect.

Fucking this. As a gay guy I would really like to read mainstream stories with fucked up gay relationships. I can't relate to this pure, vanilla bs that comics constantly depict as the ideal gay romance.

>I want people to see that gays are really just as sexually depraved and hedonistic as those evangelical pastors say they are
Yeah, sounds like a great idea famalam.

Everyone's hedonistic at their core I don't get this idea of showing LGBT couples as pure and perfect, literally all my lesbian/gay/bi friends love talking about how much they'd wish to be sucking whatever each of them finds appealing.

They have a perfectly good gay mutant in Northstar, why not push him instead of turning Iceman gay?

I remember how they much shilled this wedding, and then they just dropped North star and Kyle into limbo and forgot them.

You know that's exactly how they used to make anti-gay propaganda, right?

Why aren't there lusty traps on comics? ;_;

Sometimes they tend to be pretty good, Most times they aren't. I'm personally fucked because I don't want to sleep around and no one I know isn't a slut. it's pretty shitty being the only person who just wants a nice committed relationship.

you can have a high sex drive and be in a comment relationship to be honest In my opinion here's nothing hotter than someone that's a slut just for the person they love

Hedonism is self-destructive at its core. Your friends need to sort themselves out.

Hedonism is a nice way to reward oneself after you've been working hard, I don't know what to tell you. Hedonism as a form of life is highly destructive, but "meme" hedonism where you just wish for things as a goal after hard work is pretty harmless.

I hate talking about this but gay "culture" is shit. in mass, it's hard to find anything serious that isn't "open"

Personally, I want an adventure series where the protagonist is a cute gay boy, but him being gay isn't a big deal. It's basically like any other series, just his love interest is male. My problem is gay series is that the main plot is about their gayness; about how they're gayness affects their life; about how society views and treats gays. And that's all fine and dandy, but man, I just want an action story, a fantasy, an adventure, a sci-if epic that just happens to have a gay protagonist without his gayness being shoved in my face. And I don't mean that in a, "ew I don't want to see gays in my face," what I mean is, "I want a story where gay people are treated like everyone else." It's not fair that straights get all these varieties of stories, but gays only get one type.

Thank you, I completely fucking agree. Movies and other media are horrible because it's 90% coming out stories It's like everyone has a massive chip on their shoulder. Also, this fucking marrige with northstar is shit, it was just done so they could shove him on a bus. He's been in like nothing since.

wow, they really are going all out with the politics of diversity and other SJW BS.

Works in xmen though I gotta say since it is a social commentary type comic, the others not so much which is why they fail. Looking at you nigger ironman.

I don't like sexuality in characters anyway, straight or otherwise. It's a lame distraction and is rarely used to any good result. Very very few characters have benefited from relationship drama.

The moment you make it a non-straight sexuality than it HAS to be given a prominent place in that characterization, otherwise why even mention it? SEE HOW NOT STRAIGHT THIS CHARACTER'S SEXUALITY IS is the only reason that trait even exists and I cannot articulate how uninterested I am in that.

you mean DA POOPOO

I wonder if JP is kicking himself now that Bobby is out of the closet.

>Having sex with a partner that can give you diseases
>Betraying your race to fuck your boytoy
>Spend what you can assume as the last 2 weeks of survival having sex, rather than finding a way to survive

Jean Grey fucking your mind gay. Iceman is so obsessed with being gay that he decided sex was a priority above the survival of himself and his entire species.

when's the affair arc?

Too gay to sell, really.

Virtue signalling really doesn't market a brand.

>>Having sex with a partner that can give you diseases

sorry to break this to you blud but im pretty sure you can get diseases from the opposite sex too

This comic is about 5 years old, easily discerned from the different letterhead and numbering style alone.
It's incredibly pathetic that you got into being outraged about comics rather than actually getting into comics.

If balls touch you have gone too far obviously

Orlando's midnighter is pretty good for this

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It covers everything except the cute and boyish part that he specified, but, yeah. Midnighter was surprisingly solid, although I missed the hyper violence of Ennis' run.

Really, if "cute" guys are a criteria, then manga is, for better or worse, the way to go.

Not really fujos tend to make bl the genre that shoujo used to be. unless you mean non-bl gay characters which suffer all sorts of issues.

Yeah, I mean, there's plenty of manga that have gay core characters that deal with things other than generic gay genre. BL manga tends to be pretty trite romance stuff though.

Really, you're doomed to get one or the other, more often than not.. Cute boys or a good story.

Orlando's Middy was violent as fuck I dunno what you're talking about

I used to joke, "It isn't gay unless you get married."

Whelp. I was right.

Any gay is too gay, this is a subversion of the basic structure of the family meant to create an idealized appearance of homosexuality in an attempt to sway younger audiences into accepting socially harmful behaviors or even to act in socially harmful ways. The promotion of sodomy is an inherently evil act and the number of degenerates who are supporting this merely because they have some disgusting fetish for unnatural relationships is incredibly appalling. It's sad to see the state of media go this way but in a generation or two I think the fad will lose steam and society will move towards real progress again.

>Says /rk9/ on Sup Forums
you've inherently lost all right to speak about moral fiber on this site.

here's one (You)

Eeeh. Not really comparable to Ennis' run on that level. One was a mainline DC book and the other had less restrictions. It's like trying to compare the content in the newer Constantine comic to Hellblazer when it was published under the Vertigo arm.

Soccer.

Hmm? I fail to see the connection.

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Doesn't this thread belong on
It'd be much less fuckign retarded to be faggots there

Yuri On Ice, basically?

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>Actually wanting gay characters
>Not realizing gay series focus on homosexuality because it's accurate to real homosexuality which is merely an attention-seeking measure
>Thinking it's unfair for straights to have better stories despite the fact that if you wanted to have good stories you could just be straight

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it's about comic characters specifically so it's relevant

Sup Forums isn't your safe space

You think video games make people shoot up schools too right?

No it isn't. Asking Sup Forums "what makes something too gay" is like asking Sup Forums "should we eliminate blacks"

Just because you ask Sup Forums something doesn't make the question inherently related to Sup Forums

This thread is off-topic
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Dunno. Never seen it. I tend not to go for non-sci-fi anime.

This is the worse fucking argument for media having no fucking effect on cultural attitudes.

Militarism is a behavior that's been a part every culture since before your ancestors were conceived. So was crime, they're both something we recognize as existing and being relatively normal, though neither are portrayed in a positive manner, as they shouldn't be.

Not to mention video games about shooting schools don't fucking exist.

Homosexuality was never a commonly accepted part of our society and portraying it in a positive light, repetitively, and far more often than it even appears in the real world will obviously create attitudes where this behavior is seen as normal.

are you shaking and crying because the homos are in a homo thread regarding...homo topics?

you could have just hidden the thread, instead you're acting more triggered than any homo i've ever met

There's a few videogames about shooting schools, like The Slaying of the Sandy Hook Elementary

An 8 year old performing at the gay club is probably to gay

>The Slaying of the Sandy Hook Elementary

Oh wow random indie games barely anyone has played or heard of, no doubt this will have an amazing impact on the moral fabric of society.

>It's basically like any other series, just his love interest is male.

user, gays, as a rule, do not have love interests, except when pretending to do so before press is advantageous to them. An average gay male has three-digit partner count.

>My problem is gay series is that the main plot is about their gayness;

Given that gays are attention whores and external validation seekers IRL, that only stands to reason.

>"I want a story where gay people are treated like everyone else."

Well, why do you want people who are not like everyone else and make a point of that to be treated like everyone else?

>And that's all fine and dandy, but man, I just want an action story, a fantasy, an adventure, a sci-if epic that just happens to have a gay protagonist without his gayness being shoved in my face.

Look, being gay means you either have serious sex-related psychical trauma, or your libido is so out of control, that you shape not only your leisure, but your identity around pursuit of sexual gratification, and you are orders of magnitude more likely than straight people to do dumb or risky shit, like fucking total strangers without a condom, just to get a better orgasm. Do you seriously expect people like that not to show their nature in your face, if only they can get away with it.

In fairness, we never see fucked-up heterosexual relationships in mainstream comics either. Every character is too smart, too classy, has too much personal agency to make markedly bad relationship decisions, show poor taste or behave in a promiscuous manner without it being used as an object lesson to be resolved quickly.

The only exceptions I can think of in the last fifteen years or so are She-Hulk, whose sexual misadventures were played for laughs but which I don't see being revisited any time soon and (for crying out loud) Jessica Jones in Alias, where he cheated on Scott Lang with Luke Cage, got knocked up and had Scott dump her for it.

The fact that Bendis is the only one capable of approaching that subject matter in a realistic manner is pretty depressing.

So yeah. While I agree with you, I don't think that its' a gay thing per se so much as the fear of 'devaluing' a character by having them engage in behaviour which might cast them in a poor light in the eyes of the easily-offended.

>Homosexuality was never a commonly accepted part of our society
What is Greek and Roman pederasty? The cultures that founded western society found it acceptable to fuck kids dumb ass.
Just come out of the closet dude, you'll be a lot happier than repeatedly going for the gold in mental gymnastics every time you think about that cute guy you see at the coffee shop.

repressed gay urges, self-loathing etc etc

Thats not what jbp believes

ITT: I learned we live in Ancient Greek and Roman society
Seriously though the "if you hate X you must secretly like it" is a bad meme.
Apparently our entire society is full of pedophiles because we all hate pedophilia
Or dogfuckers because we hate bestiality
Or murderers because we hate murder
Or wet socks because we hate those

This logic isn't fundamentally flawed
Sup Forumsmblr is always right.

>Homosexuality was never commonly accepted
Dunno man, the Greeks practiced pederesty and it was quite popular among warriors in Sparta

About this gay

Oh so we just cherry pick the time periods that homosexuality wasn't accepted and those are the only ones that actually have anything to do with how our society got the way it was today? I mean that makes sense considering we dont ever refer to the greeks or romans at all, they're totally culturally unimportant, in fact I just made them up!
It was not acceoted to shit talk the Pope at one time, is the first ammendment degenerate?

We don't live in Ancient Greece. You probably don't live in Greece at all.
Pretending Ancient Greece isn't a fundamentally different society from our own is fucking retarded.

>It was not accepted to shit talk the Pope at one time, is the first amendment degenerate?
When did I make this argument that if at one time something was wrong then it must still be wrong.

My argument was purely that because it is wrong making it seem normal is wrong.

The argument about it never being accepted as a part of our society is because someone compared my logic to the logic that video games lead to violence because they are fundamentally different in the fact that

Crime and War have always been a part of our societies and showing both (pretty much always negatively) isn't going to spur people towards acting in those ways because they are ideas and concepts that they are exposed to them commonly by the state of society anyway, and again, usually negatively.

>What is Greek and Roman pederasty? The cultures that founded western society found it acceptable to fuck kids dumb ass.

No, it didn't. That's a myth spread by fags and fag-enablers. In Greece, even at the peak of uts wealth and degeneracy shortly before it lost its independence to a succession of conquerors, gays were ruthlessly mocked. Read not only self-defenses of bum-loving philosophers, but Aristophan's comedies, for a change. Notably, fucking grown men was still considered inappropriate even by those bum-loving philosophers.

Rome even more obviously had basically prison sexual morality going on, where sex of what you raped didn't matter (except you still had to have wife and children to be considered a proper Roman citizen; the same went for Greeks too, you did not get to dodge your obligations to your society simply because you were a pederast), but being fucked in the ass or forced into oral sex was the most humiliating thing ever, and an attempt to do so to a fellow Roman soldier was punishable by death. Relaxation of these taboos is strongly associated with the beginning of Rome's decline (and even well into decline, an accusation of passive homosexuality was the vilest slander believable only towards the most obviously depraved people).

Besides that, are you saying that we should legalise pedophilia? You cannot have your cake and eat it too - either Greek or Roman sexual mores are acceptable, or they are not.

See the thing about those other topics you mentioned is that the discussion ends at "I hate X", there's no one going into Punisher threads talking about how degenerate murder is and how the Punisher is going to ruin the psyche of young children. You on the other hand are genuinely obsessed with talking about gays my man.

>When did I make this argument that if at one time something was wrong then it must still be wrong
It literally is your entire argument, since the rest of your argument is a tautology

So it's only if we feel the need to argue these ideas when someone proposes them that means we support them?

So when someone proposes we discriminate against a group because of a statistical minority of them and I argue that that idea is inherently collectivist and fails to meet even the basic level of scrutiny, it's because I'm actually a closet racist who wants to hang people.

When I argue that we shouldn't treat pedophiles as victims and instead treat them as dangerous threats to society it is because I'm actually a closet pedo.

When I argue that I don't like to eat caramel because it feels weird on my teeth it is because I'm secretly obsessed with caramel.

And do you really think the discussion of any of those ends there? I envy being so closed off that you haven't heard LGBT advocates talk about including pedophilia into their community.

Or people argue that bestiality is a victimless crime, or that animals can consent (because in fucking Canada their government actually made law saying they can).

There are bad people who support bad ideas, and talking about those bad people, actions, or ideas, doesn't mean you support them. In fact, it could just mean you're passionate in you're hatred for them.

Why are you on Sup Forums, a site that constantly talks about all that shit and more? At what point do you not look at yourself and wonder what you're doing here?

I enjoy arguing. Evident by the fact I'm still here.

Really gets the noggin joggin

you should really go back.

This is just awful fucking writing. If Marvel wanted Iceman gay they could have done it in a million better ways than "lol your gay now". It does not help this was done by a telepath who has been shown to not care about fucking with people's heads. It was also fucking insulting since it could have easily been him being bi but no apparently bi males don't exist.

bendis just wanted to leave a stain to puntuate his shitty run no one liked.

Right we get it, your a good debater. Now go back to your Law 101

>It was also fucking insulting since it could have easily been him being bi but no apparently bi males don't exist.
Yeah this was bullshit. They pulled the same shit with Rictor. He had a bunch of female love interests but nope turns out he was gay along and lying to himself because retconning a character's entire history is somehow more progressive than making him bi.

Rictor I could believe was faking it. His relationships went really bad really fast. It was also foreshadowed in older series. Iceman, has never had that foreshadowing.

I don't read much Marvel, idk these characters, but why did they do it this way? More specifically:

1. Why did it need to be Iceman specifically? I get the impression he was rumored to be gay/bi before this, was that intentional hinting?

2. Why have this convoluted outing with telepaths and not admitting it to himself and shit when you could have a much simple story of him dealing with it on his own. This was literally just "quick, we need to have a gay male-led solo to counter Midnighter, out Iceman right now!"

See, . It was purely out of spite.

When every aspect of the story comes to a schreeching halt to remind you they are gay, for no reason other than, hey we have gay people.

One in ten.

Marvel could dig Tom of Finland up from the frozen ground and they still wouldn't be crossing a line.

>Gosh I just love when you fuck me in the ass
>Gosh I just love munching your carpet love

Marvel's gay characters in a nutshell

This post pretty much sums up why I decided to go full jihad in my attitudes towards gays. My grandfather is a judge in pakistan and i've been egging him on to give gays the most severe punishments he can.

I don't think there's a too gay. I think there's writing gay characters poorly, and that's the issue. Have you seen the Supergirl show? They handle a woman coming out like a beautifully, without it feeling like anything other than a noteworthy character event.

Jesus user
I know a lot of us are weird flamboyant perverts but we're not all like that. I fucking hate gay pride parades; in fact I don't even go out because gay culture just makes me cringe.

Get off Sup Forums, Jon.

>I get the impression he was rumored to be gay/bi before this
He wasn't really, no. He had several girlfriends before.

>Why have this convoluted outing
Because this was written by one of Marvel's shit writers. He probably thought this was clever

>idk these characters
Then you're missing the best part. The telepath, Jean - she has a history of fucking with people's heads. For a long term fan of the X-Men, this reads more like she FORCED him gay rather than just outed him.

This.

To the point where the character'ss gayness is mentioned frequently, as it was their most important characteristic.

>condeming people while worshiping a warlord pedophile
>while being majorily active in kiddy diddling rings
At least gays only hurt themselves.

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