>Dark Nights: Metal one-shots give us a greater hint as to where Dark Days and Dark Nights are going ahead of Dark Matter and Metal at DC Comics.
>A series of one-shots coming from DC in September through November, show invaders from the Dark Multiverse that look a little familiar and inspire a Gotham Resistance, the name of Batman’s army that he’s been raising.
>Each features a different twisted version of Batman, mashed up with other characters, to threaten the DC Universe, The Red Death, The Murder Machine, The Dawnbreaker, The Drowned, The Merciless, The Devastator and The Batman Who Laughs. There will also be crossover stories as these twisted Batman inspire DC’s supervillains as Gotham Resistance.
>September 13th: Teen Titans #12: Gotham Resistance #12 by Benjamin Percy and Mirka Andolfo. >Nightwing #29: Gotham Resistance by Tim Seeley and Paul Pelletier >Suicide Squad #26 : Gotham Resistance by Rob Williams and Stjepan Sejic
>September 20th: Batman: The Red Death #1, by Joshua Williamson and Carmine Di Giandomenico (twisted with The Flash).
Christopher Hughes
>September 27th: Batman: The Murder Machine #1 by Frank Tieri and Ricardo Federici (twisted with Cyborg).
Justin Ward
So is this just Batman mixed with other DC characters? Sounds eh. Also: >Black Canary/Green Arrow >Gotham
John Watson
>October 4th: Batman: The Dawnbreaker #1 by Sam Humphries and Ethan Van Sciver (twisted with Green Lantern).
Easton Harris
>October 18: Batman: The Drowned #1 by Dan Abnett and Philip Tan (twisted with Aquaman).
Nathaniel Sanders
>October 25th: Batman: The Merciless #1 by Peter J. Tomasi and Francis Manapul (twisted with Wonder Woman).
Samuel Stewart
Huh, so I guess we're not getting a Dark Nights September and this is why TT #12 isn't in Vol 2
Good to know not every books getting dragged in
Elijah Long
>November 1st: Batman: The Devastator #1 (twisted with Doomsday). Creative team TBA – but could Dan Jurgens be involved?
Isaiah Ward
>November 15th: The Batman Who Laughs #1 (twisted with The Joker, named after Victor Hugo‘s The Man Who Laughs, the inspiration for The Joker). Creative team TBA.
I'll bet this is by Snyder
>Each of the one-shots will have the foil stamped cover and UV coating in the fashion of Dark Days: The Forge #1, all drawn by Jason Fabok.
>source: shillingcool
Kevin Collins
>Crisis on Infinite Batmen! The absolute madmen!
Christopher Price
>Each of the one-shots will have the foil stamped cover and UV coating The kids of today should defend themselves against the 90’s
Benjamin Barnes
>Peter J. Tomasi and Francis Manapul This is already the best one-shot.
Carson Rogers
The more I hear of this event the more what the fuck I get.
Camden Miller
That's definitely Ares-Batman Fabok covers. Neat.
Austin Rivera
This is just more Bat-wanking, but I'm going to give a chance to some of these books, maybe they'll have some cool ideas
>The Red Death #1, by Joshua Williamson and Carmine Di Giandomenico >The Dawnbreaker #1 by Sam Humphries and Ethan Van Sciver >The Drowned #1 by Dan Abnett and Philip Tan >The Merciless #1 by Peter J. Tomasi and Francis Manapul
Although I'll be VERY surprised if there won't be any art changes The Devastator and The Batman Who Laughs will depend on the creative team And poor Cyborg, fucking Frank Tieri, really? He is a hack of the highest order
Ryan Price
OP here, there were pictures going around Batman Inc, showing every DC character Batmanized, does anyone have those? I couldn't find them Seems like it's becoming reality
William Johnson
>All these Batman one shots DC must really wanna be #1 in September
Levi Baker
>and in comic news the top ten comics in September are all Batman
Jacob Taylor
well, what's a better way to kill Marvel Legacy than flooding the market with Batman?
Jack Allen
>Scott: Its not a batman event.
James Lee
>haha DC you may be doing well but now it is time to activate my event >not so fast Marvel. Batman! Multiply! >what is this! multiple Batmans! Impossible! >by playing my tie-ins ability in combination my with multiverse hidden trap I can release as many Batman comics as I wish! >noooooooooo
Joseph Rodriguez
>could Look at the rest of the """creative""" teams. It's Jurgens for sure.
Adrian Scott
>every book a Batman #1
those crafty little shits
Joseph Williams
I guess any Batman related book that's on the lam on the numbers is getting a crossover while the others just go on as planned with a One Shot instead of a regular issue? Because with Det' only having one issue solicited I can see this.
Josiah Gonzalez
Short terms success by way of gimmicks and shit won't kill anything but DC. We are back to the days just before the new52. Very few good writers and artists regularly working for the company, a ton of crossovers on top of an event. And gimmick covers.
>a story where notBatmans are the enemy >they all have powers So close
Someone wake me up when the actual Batman is the enemy
Leo Perez
Then he fights right in with the rest of the group.
Parker White
hey, when we got Dog Fucker and Worst Lanterns we somehow got the best lantern book in ages. Maybe it'll work in Cyborg's favor too.
Colton Allen
>what's a better way to kill DC than flooding the market with Batman? Fix'd.
If you look at DC's sales here: You can see what would happen to them if they over-saturate and people get sick of All Batman All The Bat-Time.
Landon Gonzalez
I'm really not seeing your argument. Unless it's a first issue or a heavily shilled overshiped anniversary issue, Batman does good. Unless you mean how fast Batman is bleeding? That's just the effect of Tom King and Double Shipping
Wyatt Long
Literally all the books above Batman (though bar Secret Empire) is now below Batman. What are you even talking about
Jacob Williams
seven one-shots spread over three months won't kill DC
Tyler Sullivan
It will. The only thing that sells right now is Batman. All their comics are bleeding sales. They're trying cover gimmicks like they did in the 90s for temporary boosts in sales that will hurt in the long term. They're going full out with crossovers, all the titles are crossing over with others and shit.
William Hughes
is Robin holding the Batmanium Bat-Symbol ?
Jace Gonzalez
>Batmen in every book
Nope. Dropped.
Easton Ortiz
>Unless you mean how fast Batman is bleeding? No, no, no: I'm saying that Bat's is far and away their best selling book. Every single book in the that list has Batman in it ( that Flash issue is part of The Button crossover ).
If they keep pushing Batman/Batbooks they're going to start cannibalizing their own readership: we've already got Batman, Justice League ( with Batman! ), Justice League of America ( which for some reason we're not just calling Batman and the Outsiders ), Trinity, Dark Knight III, All-Star Batman, Batman/TNMT, probably others I'm forgetting off of the top of my head.
>What are you even talking about Reading comprehension: ur doin' it wrong.
Nolan Davis
is that superman ?
Brayden Ramirez
come on now there might be some bleeding, but Marvel has that, too and if you wanna talk about gimmicks, Marvel only stays competitive by launching about 10 books every month, then canceling them in a few months. DC has a much healthier business plan these days. and cover gimmicks are very rare, only the Button and Metal got it recently. >full out with crossovers they have like one crossover in every 1,5-2 months, and those are usually very short (Superman Reborn, JLvsSS, The Button, Lazarus Contract etc.) Metal is the first mega-event of the Rebirth era
Matthew Butler
>They're going full out with crossovers, It doesn't help that Night of the Monster Men and Lazarus Contract were both pretty crap.
I wasn't impressed with The Button either, but I'm not a FlashFag so most of that was lost on me.
Aaron Cox
Jason.
Levi Phillips
>but Marvel Every. Single. Time.
Why is it I can go into a Mable thread and see people taking about Marble; but a DC thread inevitably has "but Marble!!"?
Caleb Green
He's too busy saving best boy.
Levi Myers
>No, no, no: I'm saying that Bat's is far and away their best selling book. Every single book in the that list has Batman in it ( that Flash issue is part of The Button crossover ).
truth be told, this has been a problem of DC for like the past 10-15 years only the occasional events (Final Crisis, Flashpoint etc.), or a very successful run (Johns' GL) sell out Batman I'm not saying it's a good thing, but hopefully, the new Dark Matter books, or possible Rebirth books (Shazam, JSA, LoSH etc.) will decrease DC's Bat-dependency
Lincoln Thompson
Wtf is the reading order/list for this shit, their seems to be like 20 different books with different names but all the names are very similar and have different spinoffs
Jose Gray
I really really don't give a fuck about Marvel. The problem with DC is that it wants to fight fire with fire but it doesn't understand that 1) they will never be as scummy as Marvel 2) their audience will not tolerate as much shit as Marvel fans have tolerated >they have like one crossover in every 1,5-2 months And that's too much
Jayden Morales
will buy it for dami and dick
Hunter Bennett
His point is that the sales bleeding has nothing to do with either as individual companies, the entire industry is crashing again because they've both been retards
Hudson Wood
this the big 2 live in a sorta symbiotic relationship you can't really discuss one without the other
Grayson Peterson
Do any of the various Dark Days/Metal/The Forge/whatever this whole event is called have an issue #2? All I've seen are #1s.
Brody Scott
>1) they will never be as scummy as Marvel Never say never, if what Marvel was doing was working they'd be taking a long hard look at it ( see, for example, the Wonder Woman movie and Joss being brought it for Justice League clean up and future movies ).
However: >2) their audience will not tolerate as much shit as Marvel fans have tolerated THIS. And more importantly MARVEL'S FANS AREN'T PUTTING UP WITH IT EITHER!
The bumps from the constant renumberings/relaunches and the crossovers and Big Events have been showing diminishing returns for some time now and it's gotten to the point that Retailers are screaming about it, not just fanboys on the interwebs.
TL;DR anyone says "but Marvel does it too!" you should ask them "yeah, and how's that working out for them right now?"
Asher Walker
It's not like the rest of the writers aren't hacks.
Gabriel Collins
What if they have evil universe Damiens to go with the evil Batmans?
Logan Campbell
>the entire industry is crashing again because they've both been retards "Marvel's slow start to 2017 worsened in April as Secret Empire #0 released; while the market as a whole was down year-to-date, the market not including Marvel was up."
From the same page as the screencap:
Alexander Ramirez
It's like 90s Marvel and Image again.
Brandon Rivera
>everyone who isn't at Morrison or Moore's level is a hack
Evan Nelson
All one shots are always #1 and then done.
Hudson Cruz
Nightwing and Teen Titans tying into another shitty event to compensate for no direction or decent stories in the ongoing.
David Harris
>yeah, and how's that working out for them right now?" Weren't they neck and neck last month and the two before Marvel won? in terms of sales.
Cooper Gray
Dark Nights: Metal is gonna be a 6-issue mini, I think.
John Campbell
>Defending mediocre writers
Thomas Wilson
>the market not including Marvel was up Makes me wonder what the sales charts are gonna look like when they get around to posting them :::drums fingers:::
Adrian Howard
>Nightwing and Teen Titans tying into another shitty event Also apparently Babsgirl ( which would make sense ), Black Canary ( because TBoP ), Green Arrow ( because ... Black Canary? ), and The Suicide Squad ( I ... got nuffin' ).
Anthony Reyes
SS because of Harley and Croc.
Justin Morales
#1 sell better than #0
Jayden Phillips
>Weren't they neck and neck last month and the two before Marvel won? in terms of sales. I think they pulled ahead in UNITS but still not in DOLLARS ( because most of Marvel's stuff is a dollar or more more per issue ).
Basically the shop owner is saying that they kept shitting out oversized $9 issues for Deadpool ( which sold well at first ) but they've killed the goose that laid the golden egg by going back to the well too many times ( if you'll excuse my mangled metaphors ).
If you read the link here: You'll see quite a long rant about things like this ( from the first paragraph ): "In February 2017 Marvel’s best-selling ongoing superhero title barely passed 60k on the Diamond chart estimates. They ran three “event” style crossovers – “IvX”, which sold fewer copies than that, and “Clone Conspiracy” and “Monsters Unleashed”, neither of which cracked 50k. In fact, in what probably has to be a first for Marvel comics, other than “Amazing Spider-Man”, they don’t have any ongoing superhero titles selling over 50k in February.
(DC meanwhile places fifteen superhero comics selling over 50k that month, so you have a reasonable comparative)"
Remember that Diamond sales are sales from preorders to the comic shops ( what they think they can sell, not what customers actually ring up and walk out the door with ).
Austin Young
>because most of Marvel's stuff is a dollar or more more per issue Not most because DC doesn't have that many 2.99 titles left. Also double shipping. But yes, Marvel regularly wins the dollar share.
>but they've killed the goose that laid the golden egg Sounds like what DC wants to do right now. Hey, remember when Wolverine was a real good seller and was appearing everywhere? Both these companies are obsessed with making a quick buck, it's baffling but with Marvel they're happy to put out 2+ events/year, relaunch relau8nc relaunch with the same creative teams and they also have Star Wars which will for some reason always sell. DC seems obsessed with pandering to noslagiafags right now by getting the same writers that worked on a character 30 years ago to do a redux and these things won't be massive sellers but they will stagnate their line.
Ayden Anderson
I Will Buy it for Damian Wayne.
Colton Johnson
Unironically this.
Jayden Gomez
So is everyone now a Batfamily member? I mean all the logos are other characters mixed in with Batman's
Bentley Hill
An entire Earth where everyone is Batman...
Brody Hill
>Hey, remember when Wolverine was a real good seller and was appearing everywhere? That's actually the perfect example!
More recently they did the same thing with Spider-Man: we had Spider-Man ( Miles), Amazing Spider-Man ( Peter), Renew Your Vows (alt universe Peter married to MJ), Spider-Man/Deadpool, Uncanny Avengers ( he quit in the the first issue of the most recent relauch ), Adjectiveless Avengers, and I'm sure I'm forgetting others.
Also Web Warriors (rip), Silk (rip), Spider-Woman (rip), and Spider-Gwen. Because *clearly* what the MU needed was THREE ONGOING SPIDER-CHICK BOOKS! AND THEN THEY HAD THEM CROSSOVER!!
And Black Panther did really well until they shit out two more books: World of Wakanda and Black Panther and the Crew ( the latter got shitcanned after it's second issue when everyone just noped right past it ).
Elijah Rodriguez
It's like Being John Malkovich, only with Batman.
Nolan Phillips
>reason always sell. >DC seems obsessed with pandering to noslagiafags right now by getting the same writers that worked on a character 30 years ago to do a redux and these Yeah: The Button did nothing for me ( because I only started reading Flash after I started watching the show and only really got into DC with Nu52, although I've gone back and read quite a bit since then ); and The Forge was dropping all sorts of references to shit that I had no fucking clue about until people explained about the Tower and whatall.
Same deal in Titans, Superman, and Wonder Woman really.
Alexander Turner
>So is everyone now a Batfamily member? Yes. Yes, they are:
Asher Ramirez
>Peter J. Tomas >Wonder Woman
Again with this shit. Remember SM/WW?
Henry Green
Black Canary is from Gotham
Adam Walker
Too much of Rebirth is: >See this thing? Remember it from before? Here it is again! You like thing!
That shit doesn't work if you haven't read whatever prior runs they're referencing.
Ayden Green
it kinda work because they way DC portray nostalgia makes the casual reader wonder what the deal is, so they search about it online.
Thomas Davis
This are just one shots tying in to an event though, not a bunch of new on-goings.
Justin Barnes
>That shit doesn't work if you haven't read whatever prior runs they're referencing. I feel your pain. Image related was a really shitty two issue homage to Darwin Cooke ... which people fell all over themselves praising because he'd just passed.
> >makes the casual reader wonder what the deal is, so they search about it online. That doesn't really work though: if you're not emotionally invested in Wally West then having him show up in Rebirth has zero impact. Looking it up will tell you WHO he is ... but you're still not going to get anything out of it.
If you've read Crisis and you see the Tower at the end of The Forge then that's going to flash you back to when you read it; looking it up just gives you a paragraph about the Anti-Monitor ( literally, who? ) and leaves you scratching your head.
In the case of image related it was actually WORSE because when I found the comic that was being referenced the whole thing had already been spoiled by the superman issues.
Joshua Martinez
Doesn't stop casuals from loathing an adaptation even if they've never read the source material. See Rucka's WW run from Rebirth. You'll see everyone from Mary Sue to other comic journos praising it.
Aaron Martinez
Just look up reddit. You'll see a lot of casuals there praising rebirth, while saying that they don't like to read anything before 2000s.
James Powell
I think DC recognized this problem, that's why the Dark Matter books are going to be new or refurbished properties
Christopher Jackson
>This are just one shots tying in to an event though, not a bunch of new on-goings. This is true, but it's STILL an awful lot of Bat Books all at one go.
YOU get a Batman! And YOU get a Batman! And YOU get a Batman! EVERBODY GETS A BATMAN!!
Justin Lee
>DC seems obsessed with pandering to noslagiafags right now by getting the same writers that worked on a character 30 years ago to do a redux and these things won't be massive sellers but they will stagnate their line.
Besides Jurgens on Action Comics, what ongoing DC books have writers who worked on the book from 20+ years ago
Asher Davis
>Everyone complains about how there's never any evil Batmen stories >Snyder dedicates a whole event to an army of evil Batmen M A D M A N
Christian Gray
Personally though that's what really made me dig deeper into comics as a kid, so I'm glad they're doing it again. And it expands you're imagination if you don't know what the thing is and kind of need to fill in the blanks.
Every comic is someone's first comic, and they work really well when their's unexplained stuff because you know you can buy more issues and find out more.
James Ross
Not really. The execution is just bland so it leaves people cold. It works for hype men but hype men are shill-y so it doesn't matter.
Christopher Smith
Not everyone is 20+ years, but they brought back Rucka, Bates, Dixon, Barr, Giffen on blue beetle again.
Adrian Scott
They're old gimmicks and characters getting a facelift. Most of them originul donut steel levels of uncreative.
Luke Hughes
+ Wolfman on Raven, Wein on Swamp Thing, Ostrander on Suicide Squad one-shots At least most of those are contained in minis
Grayson James
>You'll see a lot of casuals there praising rebirth, while saying that they don't like to read anything before 2000s. I think that, at least at first, had more to do with the overall tone: nu52 was pretty fucking bleak and edgy overall. I mean: Johns literally said that they'd "lost the joy" somewhere along the line.
What boggles my braincells is how repetitive some of the books are even if you're NOT an oldFag with 30 years of longboxes.
I mean: image related is from the first arc of The Flash. It's literally the fucking plot of EVERY SEASON of the tv show ffs!
Over in Green Arrow they hooked up Ollie and Black Canary ( with zero build up ) then had Ollie lose his company and blew up the city ... where have I seen THIS before? ( I'm just waiting for him to run for mayor again. )
Action Comics started out with DOOMSDAY ATTACKS! ( Didn't I just see this in a movie? )
That's not to poop on the whole line, I'm reading more DC now than I was before Rebirth, but the shine's worn off of quite a bit of it for me.
Daniel Hernandez
Neal Adams is also going to be working on Deadman and then there's Tomasi recycling his work on B&R on Superman but giving it a new paint job. And then there's stuff like Green Arrow and Nightwing that are just "let's go over their history and remake them 2017 style" Other than that they've been giving a lot of hacks like Tieri and Jai Nitz one shots and minis.
Cooper Bennett
Not like Raven or Swamp Thing have ongoings...
Angel Gonzalez
And? The point is that they are going to be accessible for new readers
Robert Harris
Here's the problem, a mediocre comic referencing something much better and making you read it will only make the current ongoing look even more pointless and stupid.
Jackson Howard
>Johns literally said Nobody gives a fuck what that hack had to say.
Dylan Wood
But they're still unimaginative and repetitive and they most likely won't sell. For the most part, they've got the same creative teams the Rebirth line up does so they're not even bringing in fresh voices.