With Black Cat now in the MCU, does that mean Marvel will finally fix her and give her an ongoing?

With Black Cat now in the MCU, does that mean Marvel will finally fix her and give her an ongoing?

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I hope they either just pretend the crime lord thing never happened or find some way to make it all collapse and have her start from scratch

Wasn't her dad some sort of crimelord, but she swore not to end up like him, yet Slott went "lol,nope"

>now in the MCU
what? where?

It was Nick Lowe, not Slott. Lowe thought Spider-Man being friends with a criminal was a wrong message for kids.

To tell if something is an editor push, look at how many writers use the twist. Duggan, Leth, Thompson and Bendis have all used evil Black Cat.

Her dad was just a cat burglar.

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Black Cat was reformed during the eighties and nineties. It was only in the mid 2000s that Marvel decided to make Felicia a criminal again.

>no sexy costume
>will be just another black widow with cat ears
nope

You mean mid 2010's.

Yes. My mistake. Right before the Gauntlet.

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>Spider-Man being friends with a criminal was a wrong message for kids.

>Trusting Big Booty Broads, EVER.


Lowe was dead right on this point.

her dad was 'The' Cat Bugler. sort of implied to be one of the earlier proto-supervillains. I don't think he was ever a crime lord, just a really good thief.

and Black Cat has a lot of issues about that. She dislikes how it meant he was never there for her mother or herself after he wound up in jail. She dislikes that he never really amounted to anything as a crook either. She felt she owe it to her dad to bust him out of jail. She loves the rooftop lifestyle and it was her dad who introduced her to it. She resents that he never intended for her to take up the same lifestyle he did.

She swore never to become a nobody behind bars like her dad. She swore to Spider-Man and herself never to go back to a life of crime when she started dating Spider-Man, and she stuck to even after they broke up, but all that just got wiped away after OMD

wrong page

>Amy Pascal confirm Black Cat and Vanom movie
>Vanom

to be fair, she hadn't actually had a proper appearance in a few years at that point

Once again...

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Either these people are too stupid to realize most fans don't like them turning Black Cat into full-on criminal or they know that Sony wants to use Black Cat in a film and they wanted to do SYNERGY by having Black Cat as a villain just in case just like how Silver Sable's getting used more.

Then again both scenarios could be true.

because Marvel ended up with a bunch idiots in charge who remembered the 90's cartoons better than they remembered the actual comics

>because Marvel ended up with a bunch idiots in charge who remembered the 90's cartoons better than they remembered the actual comics

If they actually remembered the 90's cartoons better they wouldn't even pull this shit.

I would have also accepted that "Spider-man is to suffering" but your answer is good.

I guess Marvel thought Black Cat needed to be "wild" again so that her love with Spider-Man would be forbidden like the "old days." Then Marvel comes to the realization that "Spider-Man shouldn't be friends with a criminal. What kind of message does that send to the kids?" So, instead of making her a hero again, they decide to make her completely immoral. I'm sure she has killed a couple of innocent people at this point.

Muscle Cat when?

Why is Felicia so pathetic?

after a training arc where she goes to Wakanda and finds out the source of her black cat powers is Bast's sassy younger sister

She went goody-two-shoes and her ass became more fat than muscle.

So instead of showing that even the worst person can change for the better and become a hero, they went 'nope, too immoral' and instead reversed the message to show that people CAN'T change. Bravo Marvel, Bra-fucking-vo.

Reminder that Mark Millar has a better understanding of Black Cat than most modern Spider-Man writers.

I keep waiting for more people to call them out on this bullshit.

If it's really a Black Cat/Silver Sable movie with no Spidey and barely any connection to the MCU they may as well make it a softcore porn. I expect at least 3 Felicia sex scenes, 2 Sable and one with them lessing out.

Got any good examples?

I was, and still am, hoping for an outcry on the same level of those mad about Ben Reilly's modern costume. It caused Peter David and Mark Bagley to switch back to the old hoodie. I wish for that to happen for Felicia's character. Sadly, it seems most people have accepted that it's probably not going to be going away anytime soon.

Even worse to realize is that Kevin Smith wrote a better Black Cat than most modern Spider-Man writers. And he was the one who made the idiotic decision to retcon in rape into her backstory.

I can't believe 10 years later I'm realizing Mark Millar and Kevin Smith were better Spider-Man and Black Cat writers than a lot of post-OMD writers.

I'll be dissapointed if they don't lez out
even if its just Felicia getting caught up in the moment and Sable getting too caught off guard to push her off until she's done

Pic related.

I said good ones that actually support your argument

Please let this become a thing.

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His MK run was surprisingly not terrible.
Much better than anything Slott wrote post-BND, at least

God I hated that retcon so much. It didn't make sense at all.

"Some guy raped me so I trained in thievery of all things to get my revenge."

Black Cat and Emma Frost both went evil again because Sexy females = not feminist.

I guarantee that's why this happened.

I did not know Felicia was bi. Muh dick is diamonds.

Was this written by a 12-year-old?

booty got me like

>I wish for that to happen for Felicia's character. Sadly, it seems most people have accepted that it's probably not going to be going away anytime soon.
Because Spider-Man fans eat up Slott's run cause "HUR, he said a funny!"

Isn't the basis of feminism is to not care what men think and to just be you?
Also the reason that Emma dressed sexy is because she knew VERY well is that it also served as a distraction.

When is she going to rediscover that Peter is Spider-Man? It's been almost a decade at this point. Same applies to the Green Goblin and Venom. It's moronic at this point. I'm glad Doc Ock and Jackal know, but I have a feeling Slott is going to pull something that makes Otto forget Peter's identity before he leaves his run. I hope I'm wrong though.

yeah, she's actually in a long-term relationship with a woman in MC2. The daughter she'd had with Flash hates that she left her dad. Her 'teen rebellion' about that is to spend way too much time with Spider-Man's daughter and keep demanding to be her 'sidekick'

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That's the same reason Felicia has her bust and ass on display.

Of course, if Slott and the rest of Marvel knew that and chose character over "Muh feminism", then we wouldn't have to remember this for them.

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>Isn't the basis of feminism is to not care what men think and to just be you?
That was second wave feminism, now sex it's bad again

>I can't believe 10 years later I'm realizing Mark Millar and Kevin Smith were better Spider-Man and Black Cat writers than a lot of post-OMD writers.

I generally shocked in general looking back at 2000's Marvel and seeing that their books are miles above in quality compared to current Marvel. Even Fraction's X-Men which was widely panned was still more engaging than the current X-Men crap, and I say that as someone who recently got bargain binned trades of that volume.

This made me cringe the same way America Chavez makes me cringe. So I guess it's the other end of the spectrum.

>just like how Silver Sable's getting used more.
Wait, what? She's alive? thought she died in the 80's and stayed that way. Never saw her in anything beyond that.

So history just... "Begin Again"

Hey Spider-Dorks, don't get ahead of yourselves. Amy Pascal said it but look at Feige's face when she did (pic related). Not to mention that Feige said that Venom is not part of the MCU like 5 days ago. It's possible that Pascal fucked up (what a shocker)

I agree for the most part, but dude let's not be crazy and act like Fraction's X-Men wasn't complete fucking garbage.

>Isn't the basis of feminism is to not care what men think and to just be you?

"Female characters don't have agendas of their own, and wouldn't ever dress like that in public!"

Trust me, I experienced this argument many times.

>Marvel will finally fix her and give her an ongoing?
Do you think they actually know how to do either of these things?

>When is she going to rediscover that Peter is Spider-Man?
She knows. She doesn't care much for it.

even bloody Marvel Divas, the Sex And The City spoof, treated Felicia with more nuance and respect that most post-OMD writers.

then again, it was written by the guy who went on to do Afterlife with Archie

>>YFW Bunn actually planned for a Black Cat in a haunted house issue of Fearless Defenders.
>>Dead serious, that's what he was planning.

I don't give a fuck, all I care about is them fixing her in the comics.

Most movies are shit these days anyway.

Slott used her in Ends of the Earth, where he killed her off

The he brought her back recently for his anticlimactic Peter vs Norman story

I think he was implying that Fraction's run looks competently done compared to current X-Men.

How the fuck did things get this bad? I fucking remembered noticing the sales on X-Men were dropping when Fraction was on the book. I thought that was the lowest they could get (I think at the time it was like 70,000 or something, which was unthinkable for a comic that used to do 100,000+ for decades) but then last year the books were hitting 30,000's.

No she doesn't. Not since OMD mind-wiped everyone except Mary Jane and Strange. A couple more heroes know the secret and that's it.

Go read it again. When you compare it to recent Marvel, you'll be surprise how much you'll like it...

she needs to get mad at former Doc Ock Peter
remember, she zipped the girls up, its go time faggot

I think it was written by the guy who created Dawn.

Funnily enough, it was originally supposed to be Black Cat that "died" during Ends of the Earth.

Why would I re-read trash I already know I don't like? I'm not even pulling any Marvel books right now besides Black Bolt.

>>I've been on Sup Forums long enough that people admit this is good.
>>This book was treated like America back when it came out.

would have been better than what we got

>How the fuck did things get this bad?

1) Bendis had the keys to the castle.
2) "Continuity shouldn't get in the way of a good story"
3) MCU
4) Fans of the MCU became writers at Marvel.
5) The MCU made Marvel popular, so every Sue, Sally and Tyrone wanted their opinions to be heard, even though they don't read comics.
6) All the good writers left for Image
7) All the editors got fired
8) Perlmutter
9) Alonso
10) Tumblr

But even then, when she saw him unmasked before, she wanted him to keep his mask on.

I've liked it ever since I read it, but I didn't go on Sup Forums much back then

Thank you Matt Fraction.

you left out Quesada and his peter pan complex, as well as Brevoort and his 'if you're not trolling the audience every issue you're not trying hard enough' mentality

There's a Birds of Prey joke to be made here somewhere.

>as well as Brevoort and his 'if you're not trolling the audience every issue you're not trying hard enough' mentality

Only at the beginning. Eventually Felicia developed and realized how foolish she was. She learned to appreciate Peter just as much as Spider-Man.

Black Cat having her own movie appearance probably does mean they'll reset her to some sort of heroic status. It'll be interesting to see who fills the power vacuum though, she's been a pretty big player in at least six books.

Marvel just keeps dropping quality.
I used to hate Yost's X-Force for being angsty shit that would only appeal to edgy teens. I mean, it's still shit but compared to some of stuff like Mockingbird or America, it's pretty good.

How exactly? Did they fuck with the mask off?

>Black Cat having her own movie appearance probably does mean they'll reset her to some sort of heroic status.

That depends though. The movie is Silver Sable vs Black Cat, so it depends on if Felicia is an outright villain or just an anti-hero.

And then OMD got rid of all that lovely character development and set her back to "I don't care who you are leave the mask on."

Frankly I wish Peter had shown her who he was, because like the F4 he could have given her all her character development and memories of knowing who he was back and then it'd be smooth sailing on the Black Cat/Spider-Man train.

Oh come on, X-Force was okay.

I though it was called Black and Silver, and was a reluctant team up between the two.

Ya know...I think I discovered the problem with Spider-Man...they can't stop rebooting him.

It was mainly after Peter broke things off. Felicia got really mad and stalker-like when she heard that Peter married Mary Jane. She tired to make Peter jealous by dating Flash Thompson. She planned to break up with Flash in a devastating way in an elaborate attempt to hurt Peter. Though Flash stood up for her when some thugs tried to rob them. Even though Felicia could have torn those guys apart herself, she was flattered by Thompson's actions. Then she dated him for real and became friendly with Peter and Mary Jane. Though Flash Thompson would later break it off with her.

>We make the best story we can, all the time, every time. Period.
No you fucking don't This is evident with dying sales and fans vocally upset with your shitty stories played up for controversy.

Have any of their events ever been good? Just a lot of shitty reveals and twists with no real payoff like with Dark Reign. Osborn gets out of prison years later and remakes Dark Avengers because apparently he can.

Fuck Marvel.

Everyone gets rebooted every few years.

Well, I hated it. The only thing I liked about it is the art which I felt was wasted.

Huh, that's actually pretty great. Who was the writer?

Do you think that's the way they undo this mess. A story where Felicia is still ranting about how "the Spider took everything from me" which results in Peter unmasking and snapping Felicia out of it?

That was when David Michelinie was writing, IIRC.

It was during the early nineties when she became integrated in Peter's personal life. So, David Michelinie, Tom DeFalco, and Gerry Conway. Peter had a bunch of titles at this point. Amazing Spider-Man, Spectacular Spider-Man, Web of Spider-Man and Spider-Man Unlimited.

Reminder that Marvel sold its soul to Sony and canon is now being dictated by the ones who nearly caused the capefilm crash of the new millennium.

>This is evident with dying sales

This is funny because you can see people pop up to go "Nuh uh! Marvel is beating DC in sales!" and then point to the Diamond charts hoping no one knows that the charts represents what retailers order and not neccesarily what readers buy. And then it turns out the Diamond charts are padded by Marvel doing overshipping and things like that.

Marvel got too overconfident because they easily beat DC for a long time and figured they didn't need to listen to fans.