Who could outsmart the other?

Who could outsmart the other?

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Balalaika loses, her thinking is too orthodox and military while Joker has been show to out-crazy pretty much every form of law enforcement and military known to man.
Don't get me wrong she's great I love her and I own her garage kits but she's only great in Black Lagoon because no one else works with that efficiency. Without that edge or against an opponent who can neutralize it, she's got nothing. Remember the murderous twins who actually gave her a run for her money.

Joker isn't really known for outsmarting people. That's Riddler.

Joker wouldn't outsmart her, he'd outcrazy her

and then joker would inexplicably 'crazy dodge' every bullet fired at him because he's an invincible chaos god avatar and DC would never allow anyone to harm their precious baby.

Nothing against you guys, but fuck Joker.

They both heavily rely on everyone else in there vers acting retarded.

Nah, he'd probably just take the bullets, seemingly die, then come back later with no real explanation.
As expected of kino cape comics.

This is kind of true.

>Yakuza member receives an anonymous tip on a Russian Mafia safehouse
>Hur dur better casually check it out with barely anyone taking it seriously

Joker vs. Freakazoid in a crazy-off.

If that's too one sided, Joker gets the Mask.

Balalaika. Unlike Batman or the other villains she operates on organized, overwhelming firepower.

>Who could outsmart the other?

Depends on writer

Balalaika would be smart enough to avoid getting too directly involved with the Joker, to be quite honest. She'd be the type to let a storm like that pass right on by.

If she absolutely had to navigate the Joker's bullshit, she'd probably try to find some way to use Batman to neutralize him. Unfortunately that would be a huge mistake for her, since Batman would be a far greater threat to whatever she's trying to accomplish than the Joker himself. I wouldn't doubt for a moment that Bruce could undermine her. He's as unstoppable as Roberta except much worse with way more resources.

Why not just send Rock and the Lagoon company?

>Rock has to deal with Joker
>basically ends up like this: youtube.com/watch?v=lwHA2GLhO1I

The Joker managed to beat Ra's at chess. And he's been alive for a while due to Lazarus Pit shenanigans. You really think Balalaika could outsmart him even though she and her soldiers have the potential to end WWIII?

I don't read Batman comics. How would the Joker beat her if she can just position snipers outside his fun house and take him out if he ever shows his face?

because DC sucks clown dick, that's why.

He'd get a new face, duh.

Who is this other unknown bitch fighting the Joker?

Didn't Balalaika outsmart the twins who tried to outcrazy her?

Okay. And if Hotel Moscow just storms his headquarters or hires some mercs with choppers to just blow the place to hell?

Just curious how Joker maintains power among more traditional criminal organizations. Or is he not just a crazy clown gangster anymore? Didn't they essential turn him into the guy from Saw?

OH FUCK YES, ANIME BATTLE.

I forget, which one was actually the boy?

They are only superficially similar to the Joker, in that they get off on causing havoc and don't care who has to suffer for their amusement. Their goals and methods were super obvious once you take a step back and try to figure them out. Their behavior made some modicum of sense, and you understood why by the end of that episode.

When you try to figure the Joker out, that's when he's pretty much got you. In many stories, that's a big part of his gimmick. That's what separates him from two traumatized underage amateur porn stars on a killing spree.

They forget sometimes, too.

If he dies than another Joker takes his place.

They take turns.

>Didn't they essential turn him into the guy from Saw?
That's Riddler's shtick. Joker is scraping by with pure dumb luck and unpredictable gadgets as opposed to super elaborate traps and complex long term schemes, most of the time.

That still doesn't explain how a serial killer with no powers is going to defeat a militarized Russian mafia with the resources and intent to kill him.

Doesn't Balalaika also have connections in the CIA as well?

because that's literally Joker's gimmick. No one expects him to be able to do it, so he is able to.

I don't like all that stuff. Just seems like they're going edgier with these characters for the sake of looking "mature".

I think Joker is at his best when he's like the incarnation in BTAS. A lunatic with gadgets and gimmicks, very violent and unpredictable, thinks he's funny, but also an actual criminal with a criminal empire.

>Nothing against you guys, but fuck Joker.

No, I agree with you.

Kinda sorta? I vaguely recall that she understood where the Ripoff church gets its guns, but I don't recall her directly dealing with the CIA. Been a long time since I watched Black Lagoon, though. I don't think she knows who Eda really is, though that may have changed at some point in the manga.

And as far as the Joker's ability to, despite having no powers, hold his own against heavily armed, highly trained and highly organized groups that want him dead specifically...Well, you can chalk that up to plot contrivance a lot of the time, but Black Lagoon is no stranger to those itself. In the long list of people that have wanted the Joker dead, Balalaika would be neither the smartest nor the most powerful.

I was thinking of the episode where they deliver the documents on the terrorists to the CIA. It was actually Mr. Chang who gave them that job, but she could have some contacts there as well.

not even the most well armed

Dose Black Lagoon explain how a drunken whore defeats militarized criminal organizations with the resources and intent to kill her?

>thinking the CIA can beat a Batman villain

That depends. Which drunken whore?

Yeah. I include her arsenal and her tightly knit ex-paratrooper Bratva under the broad scope of the word 'powerful'

Yeah, but which one had the penis? Was it the one Rock managed to get on the boat?

Balalaika because she would just shoot him.

who cares? they are dead anyways

That's fair.

Better than cringy as fuck anime bud

Joker is shot in the head by a SVD.

>the joker
>vs anyone
Cmon, really?

Batman cant beat this guy.
Batman. You know. The guy everyone says can kill Superman if he wanted to.
Thats basically Joker > Superman

And you think some anime waifu can beat le nihilistic man of wicked sense of humor?

That's not fair. Roberta didn't drink. She did however tear ass through the FARC and I want to say the Army Rangers? I forget who Grey Fox was with.

They both got plenty of penis.

>Joker > Superman
True in some ways.

Grey Fox company were contractors working for the NSA.

I just wanted to post this

Pretty sure it's implied that they're mutilated in that region. One lifting their skirt for Rock made him puke in his mouth. I don't think seeing a penis/vagina would do that.

>Better than cringy as fuck anime bud

You mean in general, right? Because I know you're not talking about Black Lagoon.

Don't reply to me pig

Go bearhug a dick

Black Lagoon is exceptionally cringy even for an Anime.

Even if I grant that it's cringy, which it isn't, but to say "exceptionally" even by anime standards is just ignorant.

>thought it was Superman killing Harley
>enlarge picture

I'm disappointed.

in a one on one, Joker loses.

but considering OP asked who could outsmart the other, it's implied there's a level of scheming & planning involved between the 2 parties. I'd give it to Joker if that's ever the case.

Roberta drank during her blood trail. She was on drugs too.

Give source

I cant tell if this is Azasuke Wind or not

I'm almost certain it is. He's got a very distinct style, and I know he's done Black Lagoon porn.

Just like the old days with the NYPD, eh Becky?

>joker has no powers
Does this have to be a thing? I think it'd be more believable if Joker got like a mild form of super strength and durability from his chem dip, would that hurt him much?

Will you two please just fuck already?

If it's a battle of wits, Balalaika would simply open operations in a city that didn't have well-funded vigilante group, multiple supervillains running amok, and multiple established crime syndicates operating simultaneously.

This is what I think, too. This is a fight Balalaika would sidestep gladly. There's not enough to be gained from fucking about in Gotham.

There are probably stories like that, although I will say that concentrating on what is believable is not typically the best use of the Joker, in my opinion. Joker is the embodiment of the absurd and illogical.

I just browsed through all(?) of his stuff on sad panda and I cant find an image of a surprised revy holding onto some bars while a gun is pointed at her

Please give me source already

why didn't Batman just stop Clark?

Shit, alright user, I'll hunt it down.

Found it on Gelbooru. Search Black_Lagoon and police. That'll narrow it down for you. Didn't bother checking sadpanda since you said it wasn't on there. If this were Sup Forums they'd bitch at me for spoonfeeding again. Uptight fucks.

I don't think Bruce was expecting him to flip shit and throw away everything he'd ever believed in. Or at least that Superman would hesitate long enough to be talked down.

the worst part of the mob. The sort of violent international criminal that would never stick their neck out far enough to be considered a supervillain. She would beat the Joker by providing him treacherous henchmen of subpar quality, and only through too many intermediaries to to ever connect back to her.

Thanks mang

Hotel Moscow, as a unit, is stated to be easily capable of starting, fighting, and ending world war three, but they have no really goal beyond Balalaika's apathetic money making schemes.

>The guy everyone says can kill Superman if he wanted to.
With prep time. As opposed to Superman, who could kill him if he decided to, immediately.

It takes a lot of brains over brawn dear user. To defeat your enemy, you have to think like your enemy. And from what I've learned from watching Black Lagoon is that Balalaika is damn near always one step ahead of her target.

Not to mention (and this may seem generic) she's really the last person you wanna fuck with. She's a terrifying russian ex-military milf.

youtu.be/g4iezJnLMsw

I think Joker would probably have a hard time taking this bitch.

Fry-face gets talked up a lot, and she's certainly no joke, but she and her crew aren't unstoppable by any means.

She sells ICBM schematics to North Korea, she's a fucking Bond Villain, except she keeps a polite and reasonable ex-salaryman around to deal with those problems. Put in the DC universe she would be up there with Luthor and Savage, except less motivated to go fuck with superheroes and get her plans ruined. Imagine if Ra's Al Gul was satisfied with just one city, and one little unit to pour all his attention on, like a lackadaisical criminal batman. Thats what Balalaika amounts to.

yeah you dont have proof of that so...

>dumb weaboo thinks his dumb katawa shoujo ripoff can beat joker
she cant even take over some dumb island in thailand. She's literally getting cucked by the chinese triad and a bunch of thugs from america. Meanwhile, Joker is feared all over Gotham

Oh did I forget to mention there's 3 jokers?
or how about that he's the god of chaos and will literally come back every time he gets killed?
And lets not forget, his husbando, the batman, will always be there to save him

Give it up nerd, your waifu cant fight heath ledger and thats why he's the best villain of the best hero of the best comic publisher

Okay, how does this match up strike you?

>Oh did I forget to mention there's 3 jokers?
>or how about that he's the god of chaos and will literally come back every time he gets killed?
>And lets not forget, his husbando, the batman, will always be there to save him
I'd call you a fourteen year old regurgitating really stupid fanfics, but then I'm reminded that DC actually thought this was a good idea. Its really sad, to see a pretty decent character get turned into a narrative deadzone like his counterpart has been for years, but that's what needs to be done to accommodate both endless stasis and escalation. Because nothing can ever change, except for power wanking grognards.

Not a DC fan but.. really? That shit is canon?

yes, because apparently Dr. Manhattan is the insufferable sort of Batman fanboy. Seriously. Seriously.

>Oh did I forget to mention there's 3 jokers?
I didn't know forgotten plot hooks were considered fair game by you power wank faggots. Really gotta validate that timesink, eh?

Isn't Balalaika basically just a skinny white bitch version of Amanda Waller that's slightly more inclined towards excessive violence?

Actually, has there ever been any interaction between Waller and the Joker?

Even the "Joker secretly found a Lazarus pit at some point and that's how he away survives" concept was better than that shit.

Are action animes always this edgy? Jesus Christ this is some 14-year-old tier shit

to be fair its quite old

Don't humor him while he's trying to prove to the internet how mature and sophisticated he is.

First of all, no. Balalaika is a seasoned Russian sniper and soldier with combat experience and moderate mob boss experience. Waller is just a smug politician and merc boss with no combat skill or experience.
Secondly, Waller and Joker don't really interact much in any comic since she's mostly involved with Sqwad and Batbooks

Like that anime of space ships that get blown the fuck up and see the horrific deaths ranging from decompression to organ spillage

>all these assmad waifu cucks
Gangsta was the better "what if there was an island full of criminals" story anyway :^)

I like the omake which makes Black Lagoon out to be just some fake movie shit. Like they're literally shooting some sort of old school action flick and the pages show what the characters/actors are doing after the shoots

He's trying to prove how he's intelligent, nihilistic, with a wicked sense of humor

I know, right? If only they had antagonists with armchair philosophy and le relatable tragic backstory to make the plot 3deep7me which raises the true meaning of sociological dialogue to yeah no it's just easier to call you a pretentious faggot.

But aren't the Russian military all crazy assholes too?

I don't know why you guys are saying I'm trying to look cool, I'm being serious. Half-burnt Russian mobster blows off the knee and hand of a child serial killer and watches him bleed out for pleasure. Are you really going to tell me that is not edgy as all fuck?

...

Name, please?

Sounds like Legend of the Galactic Heroes.

Don't remember, the ships were rectangular and light blue if it helps, maybe someone here can help-
YES that's it

Shit. I tried watching that, but the show relied too much on me having an eidetic memory and rememberin 12 characters by name in the span of 5 minutes with no vharacterization.

So how do you feel about Hiroe's own version of the joker, but with reality altering powers.