When is DC gonna buy out Marvel?

When is DC gonna buy out Marvel?

As soon as Disney is willing to let go of assets.
So basically never

Never, it's Marvel yard.

When they finally start turning a profit on their movies

Rather they both just go bankrupt and have all there assets and copyrights destroyed and forbidden by law to be recreated

Damn you are mad

The big two are creative stagnancy incarnate, peddle their moronic filth, and propagate a new generation of mentally stunted, stupid, manchildren and absolutely refuse to grow up in any real way.

>muh indies
fuck out here

I'm sorry, user. The Mouse will never release any property from its putrescent grasp. Since they literally own the courts, they'll never be hit with the antitrust measures they so richly deserve, either. Best to make peace with the fact that Marvel, Star Wars and any number of other properties will never be allowed to be good or interesting or adventurous ever again.

When they top being #2.

>Muh corporation's survey team test focus tested grey sludge
Fuck off, and fuck you, for not having any goddamn standards or ideals. It's their death grip and jewry that keep the medium at such a pathetic infantile state while the others' have so much more breathing room.

The OP having Vince in it makes me think of how often comic book plots are basically professional wrestling plots. All that's missing is the intro music when characters arrive.

What does wrestling have to do with DC buying Marvel?

Nobody is forcing normal people to not see your shitty movies though. They do that by choice

I read everything. I don't limit myself, like you clearly do. Maybe drop the superiority complex and dip in, because DC, at least, still makes some good things.

And if your pressure indies were so superior, why are no one buying them Alan?

AT&T is buying Warner Brothers - especially now that Trump is in charge of Justice and the FCC, the approval should happen by the end of the year.

DC makes more profit and more money from their comic book publishing than Marvel makes from their comic book publishing. DC makes over half a billion dollars just from their sale of trades. Marvel is lucky any one buys their trades.

OP doesn't know how to write good bait threads?

>DC buys out Marvel
>Dark Claw becomes canon

I unironically want this to happen.

And yet they're still #2 overall

When numbers roll in and we get the confirmation that Wonder Woman was more profitable than GotG2. I mean Disney won't take such embarrassment lightly

I'm not saying Indies superiority, merely decrying how people eat shit because there's a recognizable company that does not give a fucking shit about, and actively hates you despite giving it money, on it. Any possible adventurous elements are summarily removed, any daring removed, any sort of identity removed,all in the name of the mighty dollar. Just clean. Sterile. SHIT

This would probably be for the best.

These stories are over. There is no place for any of these characters to go in the medium of comicbooks, aside from endless reboots and rebrandings that further dilute the spirit of these concepts. It's not even necessarily all shit, it's just...done.

I've loved many of these characters and stories for the majority of my life, but I no longer feel any inclination to investigate them further, because they are DONE. There is nothing DC could currently do with Superman that I would find interesting. There is nothing Marvel could currently do with the X-Men that I would find interesting. These characters and concepts are played out in their entirety.

Let it be. Let it become part of history, and stop hiding the truly original, interesting stuff that has been done under heaps of derivative shit.

when is Disney going to buy WB?

When they recoup their investments in Marvel and Star Wars so 2025 at the earliest

When Disney stops dominating the box office with their movies, cartoons and comics relating to the IP. Neither will ever sell to anyone at this point. Capeshit is basically printing money, even shit movies makes some profit (BvS).

WWF bought out its largest and greatest competition, WCW, after getting destroyed by WCW, regrouped and put out a better show, while WCW started to fuck itself up one step after another
The resemblance to current DC and Marvel is almost uncanny

Are you implying DC is WWF in this scenario?

Never.

DC Comics is owned by DC Entertainment; DC Entertainment is owned by Warner Bros.; Warner Bros. is owned by Time Warner.

DC Comics doesn't have and has never had that kind of money; Disney paid what, four billion, and that was five years ago, before 80% of the MCU was even released. It's worth a lot more now than it was then.

DC Entertainment doesn't have that kind of money; it was created in 2011 to be an IP management company, a way of keeping the publishing, cartoons and movies separated in staff terms and reducing liability if one arm ended up losing a lot of money (which could potentially result in loss of an IP to investors demanding money owed to them, in lieu of loan repayments). More to the point, DC Entertainment isn't *for* acquisition; it's for management of existing IP. It has no funding for, or experience of, mergers with other companies.

Warner Bros. is a movie studio plain and simple; unlike Disney, which is a movie studio, park operator, merchandiser, distributor, and so on. Warner Bros. has had a terrible couple of years - basically the whole decade - making overpriced movies that have underperformed, some of them seriously like Green Lantern, Jupiter Ascending, and so on. Warner Bros. might have the money - but that would still need the agreement of their shareholders (at least, 51% of them) to even make an offer for Marvel, which requires a solid plan of what to do - and since Marvel Studios is a direct competitor, it would likely mean shutting down WB production on superhero movies and leaving that to MS.

Time Warner certainly has the money, but its corporate structure is such that it doesn't need another movie studio or small-time publisher. It already has WB and DC for that.

So, never.

So after Infinity War?

I think the bigger question is "When will Disney buy out Time Warner, and by extension, DC?"

>overall

That only refers to Diamond, it doesn't take into account people who buy from Amazon, CMX, or anything else. I can tell you for a fact that Marvel doesn't make anywhere near $500M each year the way DC has for the past 5 years, from their catalog collected editions. Now, since Marvel due to Disney, has the Star War contract, their number will be up for 2016 and 2017, but don't kid yourself that Marvel is ahead in floppy sales either, dude.

Wonder Woman probably won't make the $54/55+ million domestically to get in front of GotG in ticket sales, to be fair. And it will probably end up anywhere from $60 to $80M short of the overall world wide gross. It's currently on track WW to fall about $10M short in China and probably more than that in Russia, and is going to be short in pretty much other markets, except for a few (like Mexico, where it is already ahead of GotG even though the Marvel movie has been open longer).

Where the profit gaps will be huge is that GotG will throw off more money in licensing, there will be more Gamora, SL, Rocket etc. costumes, sheets, etc. WW already has a good license, but they aren't going to churn out as many toys (or WB didn't really figure that they could have sold much more than they anticipated).

AT&T won't sell Warner Brothers to Disney.
So NEVER.

I doubt warmer bros can buy out Disney.

Have some (you)s

>Disney paid what, four billion, and that was five years ago

Disney bought Marvel Entertainment LLC, which OWNED the comic books, at the end 2009 (so 7 years ago), for $4B - that also includes the licensing agreements, the profits participation that Marvel would get paid from Fox, Sony, etc. Disney had to accept whatever on-going agreements (Universal had, and I believe still has, some rights to Marvel characters at the Universal Theme Parks, and Paramount had the distribution for movies released by Marvel Studios up until a while back, so the MCU is only a part of the deal. Disney had to give up stock to Marvel which is never something ideal if it can be avoided.

>Warner Bros. is a movie studio
Even before the Time/Life merger, WB had television, animation, books and multiple other parts. It also has a larger library than Disney, co-owns a network and is a world-wide distributor. This past decade you're talking about also include the billions WB made from The Hobbit, and the HP movies. The AOL merger is something that caused a loss that's more significant in the long run than any of the other BS you bring up. Disney has had as much of a bad run with film studios it owned/operated, such as Miramax, Touchstone, etc., although it didn't have any huge loss bombs (such as Arthur) - but you have to remember and realize the WB has pretty much amortized a certain amount of their costs for these big ticket items to people like RatPac, Legendary, etc. (which also admittedly means that WB shares windfalls with those people, as they did with the Nolan trilogy).

Irregardless of all this, WB has agreed to sell itself to AT&T so just that fact moots your entire opinion.

>Disney buy out Time Warner,

Even Trump's Justice Department wouldn't approve that, plus TW has already been sold to a larger corporation (the only possible thing that might derail the sale to AT&T would be something like Apple buying it, and since Apple hasn't bothered with anything like that, and is now starting to create their own live action content, they don't seem interested in ANY of the existing large studios/conglomerates.

>Apple
No.

> WWE image
> complete ignorance of media company sizes

don't you have a /spee/ thread to go shit up you nigger

Never. Time Warner as a whole isn't anything Disney would want, and the elements they might want would be easier to acquire the next time Newscorp makes an offer on TW.

>That only refers to Diamond, it doesn't take into account people who buy from Amazon, CMX, or anything else.

Digital sales are still low, probably never went above the 10% of the floppy market that was being claimed for them at the start of the decade, and were last seen falling; otherwise you'd be seeing not just sales figures in downloads, but figures that intentionally separate out free digitals (copies given away with paper purchase) from other purchases. Taking out all of that, it's unlikely any company is making significant amounts - but the smaller publishers might well be making more as a proportion of their total sales that way.

Amazon sales are questionable at best; since the Direct market covers sales supplied via Diamond, not just sales to comic book stores (sales to consumers are not recorded anywhere). So any retailers - even Amazon or big chain stores - who use Diamond as a supplier are selling stuff that appears in the Diamond figures already; the question is, who doesn't use Diamond, and why don't they? It doesn't make a lot of sense to have a parallel distribution system, and Diamond's rapid expansion and willingness to look for new markets over the last couple of decades has shown it to be likely to try and undercut any competitors it might have. Yes, Amazon is a distributor in its own right - but one that typically asks a large percentage of purchase prices. Selling through Diamond is still likely to be the better deal to any publisher, and creating that kind of monopoly on supply forces Amazon (or whoever) to make serious moves into publishing to undercut them.

Any non-Direct or partial-Direct comics would also need a Statement of Ownership be published annually, which would tell you sales for that title.

Most of the non-Diamond, non-floppy sales appear to take the form (according to estimates of industry size made by Comichron and others) of trade sales through book retailers; this market is apparently worth around 60% of the whole domestic market.

However, that includes fewer sales than you'd think; while sales of $400m worth of floppies annually (as 2017 is likely to turn out) seem high, they probably represent around 100 million copies (based on the average cover price, adjusted to 2017 $, over the last 30 years), which means 8,333,333 copies a month, or 1,923,077 a week. If you consider that the average pull list is just 1 issue a week, that's almost two million readers; but if it's higher than that - 8 a month, say - then it's fewer than a million. 5% of sales going to super-collectors - LCS owners with OCD retaining for their personal collections, for example - that becomes a much reduced audience very quickly, even if they're not pulling the entire line of a given company. In fact, if the average is 12 titles a month or 3 a week, you're down to around 650,000 readers.

It may seem that these can't also be the trade buyers, but if you consider the same mechanism for non-Diamond sales, and assuming 2017 is worth $800m of those (which it probably won't be), you still have to take into account that the average trade is much more expensive, and many, like the Walking Dead introductory collections, are sold bundled or otherwise at a high unit price. Precisely how units are calculated when a bundle is involved is debatable, but largely irrelevant here.

Assuming the average cover price of a trade is, let's say, $20, that's 40m units; but probably not 40m readers as we discovered with floppies. In fact these collectors may be more likely to assiduously follow a publication schedule, and may be buying 1 a month (for 3.3 million readers) or more (for even fewer readers). Given the audiences of comic-book tv and movies, this is pretty surprisingly low.

> I can tell you for a fact that Marvel doesn't make anywhere near $500M each year the way DC has for the past 5 years

$500m a year for the past 5 years would be more than half the total market - including non-Diamond sales. It's not happening; it'll never happen. Even if DC cornered the digital (worth around $90m) market, they'd still have competitors; they wouldn't get more than 80% of it (and in fact what we're seeing from such figures as we have suggests they aren't getting 80% of digital sales). The Diamond floppy market is worth about 1/3 of the total, but this is well accounted for and we know that the past 5 years have been years of diminishing returns for DC, dipping as low as 20% of the monthly sales at points and doing better - but rarely beating Marvel - on trade sales through Diamond.

The non-Diamond market is less well accounted for and is mostly estimates - which means you can't tell us for a fact - but in total, excluding Diamond trades (about 10% of the whole market) and digital, is estimated to be worth about 50% to 60% of the market. Which is worth about a billion as a whole this year; so to be pulling $500m from that for the last five years (especially in 2011, when the market was worth about $700m) is unrealistic.

More to the point, it assumes a huge bias on the part of comic book store patrons (and their management) to buy in Marvel trades that nobody else would want; but this flies in the face of known consumer patterns, especially as Marvel has been by far the more popular comic book company domestically, not just in the Diamond market, but in movies and tv, for the entire period you're talking about. In effect, user, you're arguing that a super-clade of non-Marvels is out there - buying only DC at the expense of all other publishers and spending far more than any company is reporting in sales - despite DC lagging in popularity in all recorded areas of sales.