Leviathan is headed straight for Atlantis!

Leviathan is headed straight for Atlantis!

Can aquaman stop it?

[Spoiler]Lets have a thread about comparing the big two to less well know cape settings and have characters fight n stuff.[/spoiler]

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if has something that can crack leviathan's bullshitanium core?

*if he has

He's friends with Superman and can call Ancient deep sea spookos/gods

He also has a beard

And a dead son

Leviathan's core is interdimensional bullshit.

If Leviathan is jobbing he can inflict a few wounds and make him leave, now if he's bloodlusted aquaman is fucked... Hell I don't know maybe Leviathan has non Manton restricted hydrokinesis wich is bloodbending squared

No, he could inflict superficial injuries at best. On the plus side, Atlantis is already underwater, so people wouldn't drown and Lev would just kill whoever got too close and destroy some buildings before getting bored and leaving.

Leviathan isn't a standard kaiju. He's only 30ft tall. What he has is his space whale magic bullshit, with the water generation afterecho, which is more powerful on land than in water. He's also got the almost unlimited regeneration, as long as he has the core intact. And then there's the superspeed that can rip people in half with his tail.

He also is a ticking time bomb, since if he stays in an area too long the constant tsunamis and geologic movements fuck everything up

I just don't see how he could reliably hurt Leviathan. Even his trident shouldn't peirce too deep whatsoever, and Leviathan has no weak points. Awuaman's strong, but it's like a dude trying to fight a block of sandstone: he could batter away at him and he wouldn't hurt Leviathan all that much at all.
Meanwhile Leviathan does have claws so even though Aquaman will be resistant to the blunt slams from his water echo, Leviathan should still be able to hurt him pretty terribly.

Literally who

Leviathan is a kaiju from Worm

>kaiju
ahem. Endbringer

>Leviathan is headed straight for Atlantis!
>Can aquaman stop it?

Are you serious?

Leviathan tackles anywhere from 50 to 100+ of the toughest heroes Earth-Bet can throw at him, every few months.

Underwater, Leviathan is even faster than above water. He's able to move so fast underwater it's like he's teleporting.

He would kill Aquaman solo within thirty seconds of encountering him, and proceed to pulverize everything in Atlantis big enough to see.

They don't call those guys "Endbringers" because they are easy fights.

A better question would be, could the entire JLA stop him if they tried to fight him in the water.

I think they'd do pretty well at driving him off if they fought him on the land, but they'd lose members.

Could you imagine a world where Endbringers exist but there are no heroes?

But without Eidolon, they wouldn't exist.

wait, what? I haven't finished Worm so i'll just take that as a spoiler

Aquaman is maybe equal to Leviathan in speed underwater, and is comparible in terms of raw strength. However not only does Aquaman lack the offensive output to do serious damage, there's also the fact that if Leviathan will be in total control of the oceanic battlefield and if he stops jobbing for even half a second levi will just tear all the water out of Aquaman's body and leave him a desiccated corpse.

I'd say if you had 10 or 20 Aquamen they could drive off a normal jobbing Leviathan with losses. Non-jobbing Leviathan however could literally fight and kill through an unending horde of Aquamen until it runs out of space whale energy.

...

just nuke em

[–]Wildbow 152 points 1 year ago*

> However, in both cases here, you're dealing with implied power - the Endbringers don't really demonstrate their full power, so we don't get to see such. We also don't know Saitama's upper reaches of power.

>So let me help settle this one by speaking definitively on the former. Word of God from the author of Worm (me) - Behemoth would die in one shot.

Yes. Holy God yes. Arthur's telepathy worked on White Martians and a Starro so powerful Dream had to get involved.

You see this?

Your OC kaiju is not on this level.

How many JLA tier threats can Worm Earth defeat?

>Looks like Lilith plus Cloverfield

There hasn't been a cool looking Kaiju sense the 80's. Fuck this Earth.

>Arthur's telepathy worked on White Martians and a starro.

Endbringers are not living creatures. They are programmed spacewhale robots constructed out of multiverse portals and entity shards.

It's armour is the density of a spiral galaxy and was never fighting at peak capacity until it fought scion mostly offscreen.

>you could have read more than twenty classic works of literature
>you could have read the Quran, the Torah, the Holy Fucking Bible
>you could have educated yourself
>instead, you read Worm
Filth

>religious books
>educate yourself

>Implying the Bibble is better reading then Worm

Get fucked desu

>Browses Sup Forums.

You don't have to be religious to appreciate the most influential literature in human history.

Everyone who keeps spamming this shitty webseries needs to kill themselves.

>Blah Blah lovecraft non-biological monster robot

It worked on Starro it'll work on the donut steel.

Unless you want to seriously argue that a monster bigger than continents in its physical form and dangerous enough to attract Dream's attention is less of a threat than your donut steel.

Harlequin Romance novels are better reading than Worm.

I mean just look at this creature. It's pathetic. Its design screams a lack of creativity. There's nothing interesting about it. There's nothing cool about it.

There is not a single thing in Worm that is new or exciting for comicbook readers.

Control over massive amounts of water? Complete control over all forms of energy? Telepathy, Telekinesis and Precognition? A hero with a new power for every situation? A villain who can raise fallen heroes as their own personal army?

Really the only interesting part of Worm is the Entities themselves but the writer had to give them so many handicaps to make them beatable by the humans that if you set them down in Cosmic Marvel they'd be dead within a week.

>There is not a single thing in Worm that is new or exciting for comicbook readers

The key to make a cape universe work is either go the Silver Age/Grant Morrison/Jack Kirby route with big widescreen adventures where the characters encounter weird and cool challenges or the Bronze Age/Stan Lee route with character drama.

Worm doesn't have uplifting adventures, nor does it have interesting character drama. It coasts by on power porn appealing to people that watched the cartoons but don't read the comics and realize its been done before.

>The Entities
>Interesting

They're babies first August Derleth.

>His proportions were wrong – his calves and forearms seemed too long for his height, his clawed fingers and digitigrade feet doubly so.

>He moved with a languid sort of grace as he advanced through the spraying water.

>Gallons of water poured around him in the wake of his movements, roughly the same amount of mass as the body part that had just occupied the space. This ‘afterimage’ streamed down him and splashed violently against the water he waded through.

>The hard, featureless plain of Leviathan’s face was broken up only by four cracks or tears – one on the right side of his face, three on the left.

>In each of those dark gaps, the green orbs of his eyes glowed with a light that pierced through the rain.

>His head moved faster than the rest of him, twitching from one angle to the next like someone’s eyeball might flicker left, right, up and down, taking us all in, uncannily out of time with the rest of his body.

Lacking creativity my ass. This is an orgasmic piece of discription for a monster.

>His proportions were wrong – his calves and forearms seemed too long for his height, his clawed fingers and digitigrade feet doubly so.

The same elongated arm shit that was already cliche when Cloverfield did it years ago.


>He moved with a languid sort of grace as he advanced through the spraying water.

So every kaiju ever?

>Gallons of water poured around him in the wake of his movements, roughly the same amount of mass as the body part that had just occupied the space. This ‘afterimage’ streamed down him and splashed violently against the water he waded through.

This reads like an autistic trying to describe something he doesn't have the words for. "Roughly the same amount of mass as the body part that had just occupied the space" reads horribly.

I can't believe he actually wrote "afterimage".

>The hard, featureless plain of Leviathan’s face was broken up only by four cracks or tears – one on the right side of his face, three on the left.

Evangelion DONUT STEEL face

>In each of those dark gaps, the green orbs of his eyes glowed with a light that pierced through the rain.

Now we have rain, and dripping after images, and churning water, and he's still somehow moving with a "languid grace".

The writer isn't writing this as a complete idea. He's stapling together bits of description he thinks are cool without having a complete mental picture of what he's doing. This reads like a first draft.

>His head moved faster than the rest of him, twitching from one angle to the next like someone’s eyeball might flicker left, right, up and down, taking us all in, uncannily out of time with the rest of his body.

That shaky head shit from Jacob's Ladder that all the horror themed JRPGs do because Silent Hill did it.


>This is an orgasmic piece of description for a monster

You're like a deprived child getting excited over having a slice of bread to eat.

He's got his trident. Endbringers are from a deterministic mundane-only universe, so a magic weapon would probably affect them like Space Whale bullshit their fuck you override can't turn off.

>This reads like an autistic trying to describe something he doesn't have the words for. "Roughly the same amount of mass as the body part that had just occupied the space" reads horribly.
Plus it's a failed description. He's referring to volume - a copy of Leviathan made of water. Mass would probably be a whole lot more, given that water is less dense than Magic Space Crystal.

The Trident hurt DARKSEID. And his alt-universe girl version hurt a Gentry corrupted Nix Uotan with her version of the trident.

It IS a weapon of a god after all. It's incredibly powerful and people always forget about it when talking about Aquaman fighting someone.

The OC Godzilla is fucked.

What they don't have an excuse for is routinely forgetting all their other abilities. Like, the ability to make whatever you want with the ring is fine. That's the power alright? Nope. Green Lanterns can phase through objects. Turn invisible. Absorb, manipulate, and generate most types of energy, Manipulate time. Heal the user. alter matter. Manipulate and alter minds and be used for a whole bunch of ridiculous technological tricks, from scanning entire sectors of space to being a finger mounted super computer.

Characters really don't have much of an excuse to keep forgetting their other abilities while also leaving them open as always being present in future issues.

Worm powers are single powers and some powers will hardcounter other powers. It's very much like what you see in jojo or
HunterxHunter.

I liked Scapegoat
Otherwise all of Wildbows works suffer from focus and scale. I don't even want to talk about Twig.

>telling other people they're wasting their time while browsing Sup Forums

Superman could probably take out Leviathan, but only by bodily hurling him into space.

Behemoth would probably be another matter, in that he can mount a lot more resistance against someone's attempt to lift and toss him around.

If Simurgh got near Superman the world would already be fucked regardless of how the fight went.

>They're babies first August Derleth.
You're comparing apples to oranges.

I'm not very familiar with comic book superheroes, but the sheer amount of BS involved makes me think that they would have an easier time driving them away than the wormverse.

>I'm not very familiar with comic book superheroes

Your typical Worm fan ladies and gentlemen.

Take this shit to trash or Sup Forums.

>All those powerlevelfags getting shut down hard.

>Sup Forums
Fucking retard.

Worm is anime trash discussed as superheroes.

How?

The average comicbook character is 60+ years old and has had dozens upon dozens of writers who sometimes disagree with each other over what power the character has. The average anime character has had one writer. Worm has just one writer.

> Go back to Sup Forums

Khonsu he'd need to beat down the old fashioned way due to teleporting. I'm pretty sure Superman does still age, albeit very slowly, so those time bubbles could seriously fuck him up. Even more so because I'm pretty sure he can stop solar radiation from entering them, so Superman would be spending who knows how many years with no access to sunlight. Probably the trickiest of the Endbringers by far for him to fight.

Bohu would get bodied, there's not much a nearly immobile target can do to Superman.

Tohu, assuming for a moment she'd be copying DC Earth capes, potentially having the powers of The Flash, Superman, and Martian Manhunter simultaneously, or any other triple combination of DC's hero/villain population, is a terrifying though. Even assuming she can still only copy other Wormverse powers, there's a lot of potential combinations that would make her very dangerous for Superman to fight (even something as simple as a Thinker power to determine Superman's red sun weakness, then a solar-manipulation power to bathe him in it).

God the other endbringers were so badly handled. But Wildbow did say he would rewrite the time skip in the edited version, so I have my hopes up.

>superman would punch levi's core and it would die
>superman would get a knockdown drag out fight with behemoth and eventually overwhelm it's powers enough to kill it
>superman would get mindcontroled by ziz for a bit and then either get saved by the justice league or just snap out of it at the most dramatic moment

Did anyone even read Worm for the Endbringer fights?
Feels kinda dumb to read Worm and all you're getting from it is some powers and stats for your Who Would Win debates. Always thought that the characters and personalities were the biggest draw in the story. And none of the Endbringers have any personality whatsoever.

>I'm pretty sure Superman does still age
dc.wikia.com/wiki/Kal-El_(DC_One_Million)

I didnt even know the endbringers were a thing when I started reading it. Taylor immediatly hooked me in.

The Endbringers are monster attacks, not characters and ziz is totally a character anyway.

Could he accomplish that without access to any yellow sunlight for thousands of years?

Honestly I've tried getting into Worm but the MC is too pathetic for me to take seriously, if she can't even fight back against her bullies how am I supposed to believe she can save the world?

What would the collateral damage be like?

If Supes killed an Endbringer, which spawned 2 more, and destroyed a country in the battle (like Japan did with Leviathan) I can't see how he'd get out of that one without everyone on Earth hating him.

What part did you stop at? She does start to fight back against them around arc 4, and they gradually become a non issue as the story goes on.

She stops going to school after arc 4 or so. It gets better for her the farther she falls into villain life.

The thread the quote came from had a rule that you needed to point to canon feats when you made a claim like that, and Wildbow said the punch that beat Boros would be strong enough to kill Behemoth.

Someone else pointed out that that directly contradicted previous statements about needing to get through some bullshit amount, like a galaxy's worth, of matter to reach Endbringer cores, and then Wildbow stopped responding.

I think a large part of it is that the author is really vague about what their limits are, while simultaneously being really bad about "my story is special and nothing can beat it."

I mean, the whole concept of the character is that he can beat anything in one punch. Which is why I think all vs debates involving him are completely pointless.
>while simultaneously being really bad about "my story is special and nothing can beat it."
Got an example of that?

Wildbow tends to do that when he doesn't want to get pulled into pointless arguing. It's kind of annoying when he does respond, and it's just to troll. See his mathematician's answers.

I just crushed all of Worm over the past two weeks, so I feel the need to comment.

Definitely not lacking creativity in the power dept, endbringers were cool and source of powers was neat lore. Trigger events were a cool concept.

The writing was at times fanfic tier, but I knew what I was getting in to. Definitely some forgettable parts that you can scroll through. Sometimes the action was hard to keep track of. The sheer amount of jobbing was the biggest real problem. But that's par for the course I guess...

To the OPs question, leviathan would mop the floor with him but then Taylor would do some bullshit and all of a sudden they'd win.

That actually never happened with endtinger fights but still.

>while simultaneously being really bad about "my story is special and nothing can beat it."

Do you have some quotations to this effect?

>but then Taylor would do some bullshit and all of a sudden they'd win.
>That actually never happened with endtinger fights but still
So why are you saying this then?

>my story is special and nothing can beat it.

Strait up not true.

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>A gag character can beat it
People were already discussing it.

He also claimed that the Endbringers would beat the JL long term, because they'd grind them down due to the JL being unable to meaningfully damage them.

He just wanted to let us know he's cheering on Taylor's side, because we all know that Skitter can do no wrong, and killing Alexandria was undisputed and fully justified victory, because Taylor is the queen of victorious escalation.

Getting bullied is her backstory and how she got the power to become a hero. Sweeping it under the rug is really poor writing.

Happened with every other major fight / S class threat. It definitely did happen with the endbringer fights in the sense that Taylor would somehow be as crucial / do as much damage as as the Triumvirate, but Scion won all those in the end.

Idk I guess Taylor just seemed OP sometimes.

>Endbringers would beat the JL long term

Wildhack confirmed for only having watched the carrtoon.

It isn't really swept under the rug, it's just dealt with later (and some uncomfortable details regarding why the bullying was allowed to continue by the school's faculty come to light).

The actual trigger event didn't happen on screen. The story isn't centered on bullying, even though Taylor's power is a result of it. The main theme of Worm is choice and consequence.

The consequences of bullying, instead of bullying itself. It's not swept under the rug. We just see how much Taylor wanted to avoid school because she's messed up in the head, and angry because the bullies never get consequences from the authorities.

>The writing was fanfic tier
>He still read it

I thought killing Alexandria was the worst part of Worm desu. Even worse than the timeskip.

She was only ever "crucial" in the sense that her presence helped save lives. I don't ever remember she herself dealing critical damage to an Endbringer.

I still read fanfics too.
They scratch an itch.
Worm fanfiction can be terrible in general, but a handful have redeeming qualities to make them worth reading.

I feel like she could have just punched herself in the diaphragm or something to cough up the bugs.

I wouldn't call it fanfic tier, but it definitely lacked the polish the polish that a fully edited work would have. Understandable, considering the author wrote like 2.5 chapters a week.

Still better than 90% of actual caps comics.

It was a waste of time through. But I do love wasting time...

She doesn't.
Taylor's most effective skill is critical analysis of players and the battlefield. That's how she gets her victories.

>The story isn't centered on bullying
OK I have to call bullshit here. Wildbow got his inspiration for Taylor by hearing stories from bullied kids, the story ends with the main villain getting bullied to death.

Not counting Scion, the most damage she "directly" inflicted in an S class fight was cutting Echidna in half with the help of clockblocker.

Also her shard's insane Multitasking power, which is the real MVP and why she got as far as she did.

That's what russia in the setting literally did, it didn't work and they sacrificed Moscow for nothing.

Once you read actual fanfics, specifically Worm fanfics, it's pretty clear how much Worm stands above them. Worm is far from perfect, but fanfiction is much, much worse.

Son hasn't been canon since N52.

>become a non issue
>It isn't really swept under the rug
Wow. When a fanboy wants to argue their case they'll change their tune to fit their argument.

I'm not the user that said it was a non-issue.

I mean she kinda just moves past it. Wouldn't you?

>Donut Steel monsters beating the JLA

So he doesn't know about pic related?

Fuck talking about superheros vs Worm. Just go down the list of threats the JLA have beaten and have them fight the Endbringers.

How many picoseconds do the Endbringers last against pic related?

I'm not the user that said it wasn't swept under the rug.