Just saw this in a poster for one of our local comic/geek conventions

Just saw this in a poster for one of our local comic/geek conventions.

Is Marvel really this desperate now?

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>all aspiring artists
Curse my desire to tell stories, but my inability to draw them.

Pay an artist, self-publish a mini-series, and mail it to a Marvel editor.

>Is Marvel really this desperate now?
They've been doing this for thirty-plus years, maybe longer unofficially.

>now

And i like that they cant hire good writers outside tokens.

Oh yeah user? JUST do that?
How could I have been so stupid as to realize that this was all it took. Wow.

Well Sup Forums? You gonna try out?

>Manila
Wait a second, is marvel paying some guy to travel to a South East Asian country to review some gooks drawings?

Is this how they got the muslim artist who put antisemitic comments in the x-men gold book?

oh nice, Asia Pop. Went there last year. Pretty lame but it's the only Comic Book/Pop Culture Convention here that's actually somewhat big :(

I would think writers would be a bigger concern

Met this qt though, and by that I meant literally just that. I have no idea who she really is :(

Yeah, just do that. If you have a script, find an artist. Either pay one or find someone who would be willing to make a deal for co-ownership. Or pitch your script.

But then again, I have a feeling there is no script, and you just have an idea in your head that you think would be a good story without actually taking the effort to write it out.

>scouting talent is desperate

How fucking stupid are you?

Are my odds of becoming a penciller for Marvel better if I move to Malaysia or Indonesia?

Not him, but I am a writer who went through this and the co ownership thing killed it.

I had a full story, all character concept designs worked out pretty well, scripting, but the artist wanted 50/50 cocreator credit for the entire property and that's just not fair at that point.

Literally pitched my story to a publisher without me citing himself as co creator.

They were paid, too.

Still makes me mad to this day.

Chloeface/10

Just because most people on Sup Forums are 'idea guys' doesn't mean everyone is.
And artists are expensive, fickle, and stupid. It's a hassle to find one that you even want to work with, much less capable of producing art that isn't embarrassing to look at.
And then this shit can happen. I don't even want to get involved in the legalese of indie publishing, but even fucking Bendis says you've got to shell out for it or else weasels will swoop in and steal your shit.

I get the scouting talent.

I don't get the scouting in some tiny Asian country for talent thing.

But yeah, it's probably how they got mister kill-Christians-Colossus.

He essentially tainted the well for the story so badly in about 6 months that I decided, after firing him hard, to shelve it for at least 10 years.

Finding a good artist is hard.
Finding an honest artist is hard.
Finding an artist with solid work ethic is hard.
Finding one with all 3 is really hard.

They are out there, but I'll settle for the last two and a mediocre artist almost every time now.

Sorry user, not everyone grew up in upper middle class suburbia. We all can't pay someone thousands of dollars to draw our comics.

It's because you never know what you're going to find. Cons are big draws, and people have the resources to be real artists all over the world now. It's a low investment to send some guy out there and tell 500 people that they need more artwork practice if they can find one person that they can put on a 12 issue stealth-mini.

Not him, but I do run my own business that I built myself off about $500, and I will say this.

You get what you pay for.
Investing in the right people or tools pays you back more often than it doesn't.

Even if it takes time to afford that shit, it's worth it.

>Cebulski

The problem with my country is that most of these artists (>75%) are anime/manga style. Also, most of them are high school/college kids. I've met very few people who can actually come close to Marvel/DC house style. It's not a country where you can make a decent living as an artist.

The problem is that most writers aren't able to make any kind of real life rapport/friendship with artists prior to offering them $2,000 to draw a comic. It's just a lot of risk.
It's the #1 thing holding back my comic right now.
Before I even want to pitch them anything, I need to actually get to know them, maybe a professional friendship or something?
Sure, I can go to tumblr or deviantart and find artists, but I don't trust them. They sure as hell won't see my vision for the comic because we won't be able to talk face to face.
It all comes down to networking, really.

No newbie artist online is going to charge you thousands. I'd offer maybe 250 dollars.

There are online resources to find freelance artists and many of them include means to find feedback about those artists.

If you keep waiting for your magic partner to fall out of the sky you will wait until you are dead.

You're right - producing art is a lot of fucking work. It's great that you've taken the first big step to write something; now take the next step.

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Boom, a real publisher, pays artists as low as $20 a page. That's ~$400 per issue. And I guarantee you can find an amateur that will do it for less.

>Sure, I can go to tumblr or deviantart and find artists, but I don't trust them

There are far better resources than tumblr and deviantart. Though even those can be good if you know how to look.

>They sure as hell won't see my vision
That may be true; it's always a risk of working with someone else. But there's basically two options:
1) A comic that isn't quite 100% in line with your vision
2) A comic that doesn't exist

It may cost a bit more, but any artist worth his salt will be willing to talk to you about your vision. And you don't have to pay them all up front; if they demand payment first, you just say no.

> fags complain they could do better but marvel wouldn't recrout their talented genius because jews
> fags complain when marvel tries to recruit their talented genius because ???

>The problem is that most writers aren't able to make any kind of real life rapport/friendship with artists
I'm a writer, and personally know more than half a dozen skilled artists.

Rapport and friendship =/= equal a good working relationship.

None of them are people I can actually work with. They all have skills, but no project I EVER attempted to work on with any of them made it off the drafting desk.

>scouting for talent is desperate
Believe it or not the people who get jobs are people. Not certified, government-synthesized job-getting robots.

All the people chewing out Boom in the comments section there is hilarious.

G-great... more tumblr-tier artists... M-marvel always wins bros...

it's not just any country, its the Philippines. a number of great artists since the bronze age has worked for marvel. its a culture that loves comics btw. also christian, not muslim.

Portfolio reviews are incredibly common at conventions user. This is nothing new.

>some tiny Asian country

100 million people

Why the fuck would anyone want to work for Marvel?

Who in the right mind would want to illustrate the next issue of America "MI GENTE" Chavez?

those artists are desperate to work for american publishers. you cannot live your life on marvel page rates in the us.

and writers are vain control freaks who are not so smart as they think they are. just because you cannot draw doesnt mean you can write. did you ever ask an artist what he wanted to draw? or did you start with your own script and looked for someone willing to spend their time working on your stuff? for money, imagine that!

I'm on the other end. As an artist, I've got no more time to waste on badly paid projects that go nowhere by no name writers who don't have an original bone in their body.

It's funny that they're scouting for artists when it's new writers that they DESPERATELY need.

>250 dollars

that will get you ten pages of crappy art

good enough for a pitch

And artists....And editors....And talent scouts.

>why the fuck would anyone want a high profile job in their industry?

Gee, it really makes you think.

>asiapopcomicon
I genuenly read asianporncomicon

y doesn't he write more X-Men

>user, it says here that you worked for "Marvel Comics". Care to explain?

"Haha... yeah... I illustrated one of their comics, you probably haven't read it."

>Try me.

"It was (mumblemumble)"

>Come again?

"...Champions..."

>Security, get this trash out of my sight.

I'll take "conversations that would literally never happen" for $400, Alex.

i thought they hired all their creators from tumblr...wait that is their editors sorry

This is current marvel user, no matter your level, you can get in, and get ready for your eisner

Stop projecting, idiot. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean it's not good.

Only if you count as a minority user.

It's objectively shit.

The plotlines are shit, the entire team is just different flavors of Affirmative Action shit, and they won't fucking stop with the dumbass #twitterwoke shit.

I'm sorry about your shit taste user, but the only other comic that is about as bad is the current America Chavez run.

agreed marvel is worse than a dumpster fire
sick of fucking sjw racist fuck head pushing their shitty agenda down every ones throats,

Why the hell would you want to tell stories for Marvel?
They'd just make you write shit you don't want to write. I mean, you'll probably get thrown onto some low-priority title at best and have your book canceled after 3-4 months.

>pitch your script.
Fucking nobody takes comic stories and says they'll make them. Even image and shit require you to have an artist team and everything beforehand and they just publish it.

Are you really this autistic? This is completely normal convention stuff.

I can't wait to see all those fresh promising talent getting published by the house of ideas!

>And artists are expensive, fickle, and stupid. It's a hassle to find one that you even want to work with, much less capable of producing art that isn't embarrassing to look at.
long story short "a bloobloobloo nobody draws my ideas in drawthreads I'm just to intelligent"

This isn't an actual page from that shit stain of a book is it?

Not him, but I'm thinking about finding an artist my an anime convention in two weeks to do two or three concept art pieces for my animated movie pitch bible. The thing is, I'm apprehensive of this because I feel like artist alley is a place where people draw My Little Pony and the Avengers more than actual professional shit. And I'm scared most of them use their deviantart names and shit instead of real people I can give credit to.

Also, there's a chance (and I shouldn't be saying this because it'll curse it) that there may be a pretty big animator who'll look at said idea through some school connections. I don't want to keep them waiting for some con fuck I don't even know, if I'm lucky enough that ends up being the case.

helllcat
a published comic book that marvel allowed to be sold in comic books stores

this a manga 4 panel gag it looks better and better written than this shit

Shinsuke Nakamura?

i think so but i haven't read a 4 panel gag comic in a while

whats so good about manga specially the 4 panel gag ones is you dont need a strong knowledge of Japanese to enjoy them

I wouldn't even be surprised if it did exist.

Yes well if you agreed to co-ownership, you made a compromise. Else just publish the comic and pay him for the art.

Isn't this Johnny Ryan's first every experience in drawing a proper comic?

I think he was dropped into the business without ever being taught to handle the "proffesional" enviroment of always trying to meet deadlines.

It's probably because I don't lurk the drawthreads, but I never see anyone on here that draws typical superheroes, just cartoons. Hopefully you know what I mean.

>did you ever ask an artist what he wanted to draw?
In the sense of trying to figure out their tastes and preferred genres, sure. I'm not going to ask a guy that wants to make horror slasher comics to draw a SoL romance comedy.
No, I don't go around to every artist I meet and shove my script in their face yelling, "WILL YOU DRAW DIS FOR MONIEZZZ???"

That would be the ideal. Get on the big stage, and then get immediately removed once you get your exposure? Then use connections to pivot to Image for creator owned shit.

I'll have you know that I've had tons of ideas done in the drawthread.
But to think that anyone, outside of one or two outliers, in the DT is at an appropriate skill level for publishing a comic is laughable.

I think I'm somewhat equipped to talk about this. It's not easy to develop rapport and the origins of the relationship are going to be financial unless you know them personally.

I actually got some advice from Ron Wimberly. Basically, he said it's going to be expensive but, there is room to negotiate. Basically, just find an artist who's work you like, tell them you have an idea and ask them what's the best way they can help you realize that. Even if it's just a page or a spread.

I actually commissioned a few artists for my line of clothing launching soon and through just talking to them we started spit balling ideas and got to actually working together.

Also, there's always community projects like Premier Pulp right here on co.

>Premier Pulp
As far as I can tell, Premier Pulp just shoves a deadline onto projects and provides some kind of editor. Like, they don't help pair up teams of writers/artists, they don't have any actual legal protection for what they produce. It's fun to see Sup Forums actually do something, but I don't see the value in doing it with them.

Curse my desire to draw stories but my inability to write them

I have so many ideas but fuck do I suck at developing them

Do they do these at New York comic con? I wanna try and submit some things.

Does DC also do these things?

in Asia? No just some odd-psudeo-but-oddly-better than anime artists

C.B who?

>As far as I can tell, Premier Pulp just shoves a deadline onto projects and provides some kind of editor. Like, they don't help pair up teams of writers/artists, they don't have any actual legal protection for what they produce.

You're half right. They don't have a specific process to pair up artists and writers but, they do provide you channels to talk to people. When I was there, the editors did ask around on behalf of writers who needed artists. But, it's still a good way to get some of your work produced so you can create a portfolio and show other people what you're doing in hopes getting them to join you.

They don't have any sort of legal protection which is true.

>gook
>muslim
>pinoyland
Cant tell if actually retarded or just spouting pol-maymays

Honestly, don't be scared. Find somebody who has good art and talk to them. You're going to have to sift through a lot of bullshit fanart but there are always gems to be found.

What issue does not using their real name present, though?

Oh so they actually did help? I was under the assumption that everyone actually involved was a solo writer or a solo artist, and that it was largely a pipedream to get paired with an artist.
>They don't have any sort of legal protection which is true.
Which seems like it should be the most important thing to have.

>I don't want to put in the effort it takes to learn how to draw and rather pretend it's some magical genetic ability
>But fuck you if you think I'm gonna reach out to an artist and pay them

You are literally the worst.

>What issue does not using their real name present, though?
I would assume professionalism and background checks. Don't want to accidentally hire somebody that is knee deep in furry loli porn, or something like that.

>who is Rebecca Sugar

I get what you mean. You raise a good point but, most people who don't do that crazy shit are usually above board.

Yes

>reaching this hard
C'mon user. Try harder.

FTFY

You can pretend to be part of a minority and become the new Gabby Rivera.
A stick figure webcomic should be enough for a resume.

Yeah! They didn't help me directly, I mostly just reached out to help edit/co-write/asked for help. I'd have to look at the fall publication again and to remember who got paired up by the editors. I just remember it being one of the better ones.

The legal protection they have is about the equivalent to putting your stuff on tumblr and risk having it stolen.

>cebulski
literally who?

>VP of International Development and Brand Management of Marvel
Can't you read? It's printed very clearly.

sounds like a communist to me

It happened to me too.

>Find talented artist with similar tastes
>We both like each other's work and want to collab
>He starts telling me how to write
>Starts talking about politics
>Tries to turn everything into a political argument
>Tells me he won't work with me because of personal political stances that don't effect the story/project

He had mentioned that he never finished a collaboration with anybody yet and I think I know why. It's a shame too. He had a good work ethic and we had a good concept for a story. I'd try to salvage elements of it and reuse it but I feel scummy and it just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Eh, im good at writing stories decent at drawing and i get better at coloring everyday, with a few years of practice im going to make it but not with marvel fuck those hipster fucks i have seen webcomics better than their current shit

DC is where is at but i need to reach god mode before i can consider myself worthy of being a janitor at DC

Gross.

But user I don't see why you don't take elements that you made in the story and use them for your own stuff? You basically made it.

That was the plan originally. I tried writing the first few chapters for it and it was going well but I guess the memory is a bit too fresh for me to get into it. Thankfully I've got other projects. 1. a pipedream that will cost me like $2k to get a pitch version made. 2. A scifi project that's actually coming to fruition.

What are you working on, user?

dc has annual talent search program

>not with marvel fuck those hipster fucks
>need to reach god mode before i can consider myself worthy of being a janitor at DC
I see you're quite unbiased, too!

The problem is, they don't pick nobodies. Everyone that was selected last year was an established writer whether they be published authors, radio producers, journalists, etc.

This is the kind of attitude that just bugs the shit out of me with comics right now. So much has to have a statement.
I just want to write weird and interesting stories, not pursue gender studios, or champion some race cause. Other people are doing it with a very wide range of success, so I don't really feel any desire to throw my hat into that ring.

It's funny you say that because I agree but I'm also super fucking liberal. Sure, there are legitimate grievances about gender issues and racial discrimination but, not EVERY story NEEDS to be about it. Like fuck, just let stories be stories. Tell me something new and exciting that keeps me enthralled. You said it best, it's been done well and successfully, do something original.

He was actually super conservative and told me I had no idea what Buddhism was about because I said Buddhist opposed war and then proceeded to tell me that Tibetans choose to live in filth.

>not EVERY story NEEDS to be about it. Like fuck, just let stories be stories.