How is this pandering? How would you handle it so it's not pandering?

How is this pandering? How would you handle it so it's not pandering?

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Make it a guy and make him beat Luna for showing too much skin and playing devil music. There, now everyone's happy.

Did anyone actually say it's pandering? Did anyone actually give a fuck?

Are you being serious?

>people
>caring about TLH
Literally never.

I am. I saw like A thread when it actually happened. Or was it all contained within the cancer general?

What happened now?

That episode is degeneracy in the (((media)))

I think Sup Forums was mostly just mad that she wasn't a cute trap. I don't think they had any actual problem with the way it was handled.

Sup Forums had threads about it for like a week or so

I'd just cancel the show

They changed a main character. I think Sup Forums would like it more if it was about new characters or if Luna was always a lesbian.

To be honest they were pandering, although it doesn't really matter. They played it up as if Luna's love interest was the guy in their first scene and made it a twist at the end.

Luna wrote a love letter to Sam who is a girl. Luna is now bisexual.

They're just expanding their audience from pedophiles to lesbians. What's the problem?

I will forever love this show if she actually isn't into girls and instead hits on Lincoln.

Bisexuals exist you know.

Shhhh.
You'll frighten and confuse him.

Has there ever been an instance of a gay character liking someone who doesn't return their affections in these shows? Even if there's only two homosexual characters shown, it seems like they always conveniently end up having a crush on each other and not anyone else, even if they don't know that the other is gay.

Everything I don't like is pandering.

Nope, not as far as I know. Just once I would like to see incompatible orientation.

Sure and anyone besides them doesn't care.

>Don't shoot me. I'm only half black. I'm not a nigger.
>If I tell vegans that I also eat veggies then they will love me.
>No I'm not a faggot. I like dick AND pussy.

and none of them said it was pandering. Mostly it was just "well of COURSE it's Luna..."

Mostly happens in anime.

It is pandering. The show treats Luna and Sam's relationship with elevated importance over the other Loud's possible admirers. The show goes out of its way to create expectations just to subvert them.

>Luna's first scene with Sam and the random guy has the guy in the center of the frame with Luna making direct eye contact with him while Sam is in the background
>They purposely chose a unisex name like Sam
>They never use him/her while talking about Sam
>They didn't isolate Sam and the guy unlike the other possible admirers

The episode was written in a way to make you expect the guy was the love interest (thus a heterosexual couple) and subverted that expectation with a twist at the end. So I think it's fair game to call it pandering. The episode was still good though.

And before anyone cries Sup Forums I think the episode was fine and that inclusion of LGBT couples is fine. Clyde's parents being gay wasn't pandering because they never point it out or treat it as important.

Maybe in Venture Bros. I'm not sure.

It's one (1) boy and one (1) girl.
Everything else is pandering.

Have you considered that the motivation wasn't necessarily for intended to pandering but instead, done for comedic purposes?

The twist wasn't played as a joke but as a serious moment as Luna overcame her fear.

>I like everything as long as it's not pandering.
you have no beliefs except that one should hold respect their own beliefs.

sage wisdom friend.

>Lunas statistical likelihood of being raped just went from the 16% for straight women to the 46% for bisexuals.

Kinda depressing

Legitimate question; what are some examples of pandering to the audience that not only worked but were well received?

That's pretty hot

was minions well received?

that's not really pandering at all though.

Maybe by not making the character bi in the first place? It's unnecessary.

It is. It's no sjw pandering but they were made to sell toys. They knew kids love these autistic creatures.

>Legitimate question; what are some examples of pandering to the audience that not only worked but were well received?
if you go by the google definition porn is pretty well received nowadays

>subversion of expectations = pandering
Plot twists are pandering now? Deliberate misdirection of the viewer/reader is pandering?
These are basic ass storytelling techniques. What the fuck am I even reading.

You know, usually people tend to infer dumb things like this about characters all the time, and it's very easy to see that they're wrong, blowing things out of proportion, or misreading the entire situation.

This is legitimately the first time where I'm having a hard time not seeing that this is actually the case. I have to hand it to them, at least they were clear about it without being too overt.

So making her into a lesbian solves everything?

>The episode was written in a way to make you expect the guy was the love interest (thus a heterosexual couple) and subverted that expectation with a twist at the end. So I think it's fair game to call it pandering. The episode was still good though.
The "show/book makes you think X likes Y but they like Z instead" is an old as fuck way spice up a basic romance plot. The fact that the crush is homosexual instead of heterosexual serves the exact same purpose, to surprise the viewer and cause more interest and engagement.

This has absolutely fucking nothing to do with "pandering" unless you stretch the meaning of the word as to make it completely useless. So yes it fits Sup Forums's definition of pandering, I guess.

this is basically correct for most people. pandering is when something tries to appeal to people who aren't you, which is why its most often conflated with "thing I don't like." all media "panders" to certain audiences, that's just not the way we use the term.

people rarely complain about things made to appeal to them, so why would they think to consider it pandering?

it's not pandering, Loud house doesn't do that at all. they don't dedicate an entire episode to a special snowflake and how they're right and everyone else is wrong.

Luna's story was all about overcoming her insecurities and finally sending that love letter to Sam. Sam being a girl was just a twist, the point being that it doesn't matter if she's a girl or a boy.

Strawman. The twist by itself isn't pandering, the fact that they made Sam being a girl (and thus Luna bisexual) an important plot point is pandering. If they wanted to just have Luna be bisexual while still showing her overcoming her fears they wouldn't need to be ambiguous with regards of who her love interest was, and could've just shown directly that Sam was the girl, meaning the only difference that would take place would be the sex of Sam. The writers thought that Sam's sex was an important factor to subvert when it really wouldn't make a difference in the name of equality.

> The fact that the crush is homosexual instead of heterosexual serves the exact same purpose, to surprise the viewer and cause more interest and engagement.
That's my point. They made the sex of Sam an important plot point, where it really wouldn't matter the sex of the love interest if you weren't pandering and were just showing off a bisexual couple (and their personality/character isn't really a factor because we don't know anything about either the guy or Sam). They did this with Clyde's parents well, where they were just depicting a gay couple without making the fact that they were gay important.

>This has absolutely fucking nothing to do with "pandering" unless you stretch the meaning of the word as to make it completely useless. So yes it fits Sup Forums's definition of pandering, I guess.
Define pandering.

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What they should have done was have Sam turn Luna down because she's straight. That would be an actual good lesson for gay kids. You're going to have to deal with shit like that if you're not straight.

>look mum im edgy on the internets

How is it not pandering?
Most women are straight out bisexual, and you should look at how fucking weirdly sexual teenage girl conversations are, especially regarding their own sexuality
If you asked a teenage girl if she'd make out with he best friend for money, she'd say yes, but only for money because otherwise they'd be having to deal with actually enjoying it and not doing it for a purpose
So no it's not pandering, it's a bit realistic
If it was pandering, every other girl would be lesbian, 100%, and say girl power ever two seconds unnecessarily

>The writers thought that Sam's sex was an important factor to subvert when it really wouldn't make a difference in the name of equality.
This is pure speculation and projection on your part, it's just a twist. You expected the crush to be a boy, but it was a girl, surprise! Surprising the viewer causes interest and engagement, simple as that. Just because the twist involved multiple factors doesn't mean it's pandering.

The character's sex isn't an "important plot point", it's used as a way to swerve the reader's expectation. Her actually (fake, cartoon) pussy is in no way involved.

>They did this with Clyde's parents well, where they were just depicting a gay couple without making the fact that they were gay important.
They are presented in the exact same way, what your argument at it's core is is that one instance of faggotry is "pandering" because it was involved in the main focus of the episode (romance plotline) while background faggotry doesn't count. This makes no logical sense whatsoever.

That's not edgy at all, and it's actually something that happens quite often in real life.

Is anyone really surprised? For fucks sake her character itself was pandering to you

>cartoons about family of fuckhundred children are real life and no queers can be happy

>tfw you're glad you stopped watching the show, but sad to know what it's become since your memories of the earlier episodes and threads are generally happy ones
It's ironic that horse show is the only cartoon of this era without this SJW pandering.

if anything the background faggotry fits the definition of pandering more, because as you say it's something easy they can throw in and give zero focus to for easy Progressive Points, without actually having to write a homosexual relationship in. your shit is basically all backwards and retarded.

If that's your argument, then why do straight relationships fail so often in cartoons? Why do homosexual ones need to always succeed and be perfect?

This
Less than 2% of the population is gay, why do we have to keep pretending they're like half the population?

>all things are black and white, no greys exist.

>then why do straight relationships fail so often in cartoons?
What cartoons user? Even in the loud house Lynn and Rita are happily married.

>in real life
LH is a cartoon if you didn't know that.
if you actually expect any straight relationship in cartoons to be perfect you're wrong, arnold and doug got friendzoned, korra and Luna's story ended well.

Was anyone at all surprised that a rocker chick would be bisexual?

It's like being surprised that a college woman is bicurious

'Fail' as in a character has a crush on someone who ends up not returning their feelings, or a boyfriend and girlfriend end up breaking up. Not marriages and the like. When a gay character ends up crushing on someone, their crush always seems to feel the same way and they end up together.

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You're literally proving my point; notice how the two gay relationships you listed "ended well", while the two straight ones didn't? Why are you arguing that the homosexual ones being perfect are okay because cartoons, but the straight ones can't because "that's not realistic!"?

In comparison, Korra or Bobby Drake still get threads to this day.

This thread is giving me Legend of Korra book 4 flashbacks

Ah I see, that I agree with to a degree, but the deciding factor is if sam becomes a recurring character in the show and not just a throw away scene, which would suck even more considering they shelved ronnie anne in the same season.

>a certain cartoon relationship succeeding is pandering!

it isn't pandering at all.

I'm pretty sure at this point that the Korre threads are caused by someone obsessed, like that Scrappy guy that shits up every thread related to Avatar the Last Airbender

>Straight relationships in cartoons don't happe-

>This is pure speculation and projection on your part, it's just a twist.
Supported by evidence. The only thing that changes with the twist is the sex of the love interest while personality and relation with luna are non-factors and not touched on at all. That mere fact is what gives elevated importance to Sam's sex.

>They are presented in the exact same way, what your argument at it's core is is that one instance of faggotry is "pandering" because it was involved in the main focus of the episode (romance plotline) while background faggotry doesn't count. This makes no logical sense whatsoever.
No, the problem is that the sex of Sam wasn't important to the narrative of the episode or Luna's character arc at all, the writers made it more important than it was/needed to be. If the bisexual relationship was normal or didn't matter than there would be no need to give it special treatment.

Assuming you're the second user I replied to, I asked for you to define pandering and didn't get an answer.

>because as you say it's something easy they can throw in and give zero focus to for easy Progressive Points, without actually having to write a homosexual relationship in.
That's exactly what they did with Sam though. She doesn't even utter a word the entire episode while we actually get interactions between Clyde's parents even in their first appearance.

if they're not rolling a 100 sided die and calculating everything based on real world statistics it's pandering

Where did I once say it was pandering? All I've talked about in this thread is about how the gay characters always have crushes that end up reciprocating their feelings and they end up together and happy, but heterosexual relationships are often shown to be much less happy. I'm not any of the people in this thread talking about pandering.

Butch Hartman is a good christian

>4 examples of timmy "new bitch every week" turner
>straight relationships succeeding
remember the movies are not canon

>remember the movies are not canon
Poof's movie was

>I'm not any of the people in this thread talking about pandering.

>This whole thread
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Only one of those characters is a one timer, the girl in the bottom left. Tootie, Trixie, and Chloe were all recurring characters. One of them (most likely Tootie) succeeded because he is shown to have two kids that look exactly like him and Tootie.

>remember the movies are not canon
Are you talking about Channel Chasers, or the live action? Either way, you're wrong and a brainlet.

Is that really the best response you have? Thanks for the intelligent discourse and lumping me in with the people going on about other things. Guess I shouldn't expect much more from places like this.

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Wait what the fuck did I miss?
Luna s gay?

>Show starts off as a wholesome show, feeling very much like something out of the early 2000s
>As it goes on and grows in popularity it becomes more (((progressive)))

I mean I don't even care cause I am gay but it is funny to see happen, again.

Bisexual, but looking for puss at the moment.

if you don't like that depiction why do you even watch those cartoons or even care about them at all?
>I don't watch the shit i'm complaining about
pic related

bisexual

Are there actually any shows at all where the gay person's crush doesn't like them back?

Judging by the scene she's a uke playing Anglophile.

Luna needs better taste IMO

Do joke relationships count? Like Smithers being gay for Mr Burns

There are Smithers and Mr. Burns in the Simpsons
Also, there were at least two episodes where a gay guy had a crush on Homer, and he did not like them back

Also, an episode in Bob's Burgers where a butcher kept flirting with Bob

As told by Ginger had it as a possibility but never pursued.

>How is this pandering?
It's making a character gay/bi/LGBT to give kids who are similarly in that disposition a character that shows that how they feel is valid.
>How would you handle it so it's not pandering?
I wouldn't. Pandering isn't inherently negative, and how it was handled in the episode was fine unless you think a character needs a "reason" to be gay or whatever.

>if you enjoy something for a long time and it suddenly does something you don't like, then why watch or care about it

Gee, it's like people get attached to things and might complain when it goes in a direction they don't like.

I've never watches Steven Universe, but I got friends who won't shut up about it, and it sounds like constant drama involving lesbians

Isn't it a meme on Sup Forums that Pearl from the same show is a cucked lesbian?

All those are gag relationships anyway.

>escapism is good

She is. Though seeing Rose past relationships she should have been used to it.

Yeah, she was really into Rose (Steven's mom), but Rose chose a guy (Steven's dad) over her

>literally the only reason anything Sup Forums related exists

Aren't the gems supposed to be genderless?