Why does Universal still own the film rights to Hulk?

>Universal hasn't made a Hulk film since 2008
>They still own the film rights to a solo film
>Universal bought the film rights to Namor but they never made a film
>They still own the film rights to Namor.
>Universal has a strong hatred for the MCU and refuses to work with them
>They hate money apparently
>The Hulk film rights should have expired already

How long till they lose the rights? Apparently Universal is going to keep the film rights forever since Kevin Feige and Mark Ruffalo said a Hulk solo film is never gonna happen.This legal mumbo jumbo is ridiculous.
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just more proof that every non-Disney studio should be burned to the ground

But Hulk can apparently still be in MCU movies as long as his name's not in the title. So just pick some minor character to be the titular hero who teams up with Hulk. And market the fuck out of Hulk, so everyone knows he's in it.

Because Marvel didn't make the same deals with everyone who they gave movie rights to.

Also Universal doesn't own the film rights to Hulk, they own the DISTRIBUTION rights. This was actually a great deal for Marvel before Disney bought them, because it meant they got to retain most of the creative rights for Hulk while Universal would take care of the promotion and distribution. Essentially Marvel makes the movie with whoever they want to, however they want to, and Universal sells it for them.

But since a different distributor, Disney, now owns Marvel, Disney would never allow Universal to profit from something they can do themselves.

So basically the situation is that Universal can't make a Hulk movie and Marvel can't distribute one. Marvel are the ones unwilling to work with Universal here, not the other way around. I'm sure Universal would be willing to end the deal for a fee but it seems Disney is intent on proving they don't need Hulk solos anyway.

So Thor Ragnarok?

t. Mouseketeer

Disney is evolving into the Standard Oil of entertainment, only a fool or a shill would be okay with that.

>Marvel launches a successful series of Amadeus Cho movies

We'd all see it.

And the thing is both Hulk movies weren't all that profitable so there's nothing encouraging either company to get things moving

>evolving into the Standard Oil of entertainment

Man, they're already there.

so when does disney get arrogant and start drilling production wells without doing surface level geological surveys?

>>They hate money apparently
So, USA people only based their lives on money or only fuckin joos?

yes

We live to work, not work to live.

You're not thinking fuckin joo enough. It's not enough that one party should succeed, others have to fail.

>I'm sure Universal would be willing to end the deal for a fee but it seems Disney is intent on proving they don't need Hulk solos anyway.

I would guess this is the sticking point - what exactly constitutes a fair sum?

Universal is probably saying "Why don't you pay us a hefty fee to release you from your obligations?". To which I would imagine Disney's reply is "Why don't you settle for a much smaller fee? Alternately we could just carry on not making Hulk movies, which means you'll carry on getting nothing from us".

Cause Marvel sucks at contracts. Disney was the best thing to happen to them when it came to legal matters.

It is kind of an amazing waiting game. Disney is proving they have more of enough content to keep going, while the other studios are kind of running out. FOX's X-Men brand is so damaged that Deadpool is their saving grace, and that all depends if Deadpool 2 doesn't end up being a lazy comedy sequel.

I'm pretty sure by 2020 Fox and Marvel will struck some kind of deal, same way as Sony.

Hell, isn't the Legion series a work between marvel studios and Fox? It worked out great.

I predict that deadpool 2 will be shit. They lost the director didn't they? Hopefully if D2 bombs we can get deadpool and the rest of the xmen into the MCU.

Thing is, when Marvel gets the X-Men back...what's there left to do? They've done pretty much everything with the property. We're doing Dark Phoenix again for example. There's really nothing left to do.

The thing is Universal is not in a state where they really need money. So in their minds, the best course of action is to hold out for one of two possibilities: 1, where Hulk has become so popular that Disney has no choice but to pay whatever they want or else leave billions on the table, or 2, where Universal is in such dire trouble they need to sell off all unessential IPs. Neither of these are likely to come to pass.

Hollywood doesn't function like normal business where you want to constantly maximize profit and minimize waste. In Hollywood it's better to hang onto bargaining chips until you can maximize their use, even if that's not for years and years.

Marvel properties are too hot right now to give up for anything less than a ridiculous amount of money.

Apocalypse did well for Fox, it's just a meme that it was a big flop. It's still one of Fox's biggest franchises and they'd be foolish to sell it at this point.

Fox is a much, much bigger company that Sony Pictures. Sony's deal was actually extremely unusual for Hollywood, and probably has something to do with Sony being a consumer electronics company primarily.

There is a rumor that TV rights for certain X-Men characters were traded for something to do with the FF. If that turns out true it'll be another unprecedented deal.

There's Mojoworld, House Of M, the New X-Men.

I already can see some of the problem of Deadpool 2 arising, which are the same problems most comedy sequels face, they repeat the first film. Like, I bet Negasonic and Colossus will appear again, or just redoing set pieces from before. In fact, the first film was so simple, I don't know how you can continue with a plot involve Cable that wouldn't ruin the tone they started before.

It'll be an Austin Powers 2.

Hulk can't carry a movie on his own.

The audience pays to see HULK SMASH but you can't have him just be Hulk for 2 hours. You need to have some Banner time but then the audience complains "not enough Hulk."

He has good arcs...but all his arcs are either tied to other characters (Planet Hulk), needs too much set up not currently in the MCU (Joe Fixit) or too psychological for a Hulk movie (any polling concerning Banner's repressed memories).

Then there's his powerset: Nothing hurts him. He's just an unstoppable force. No comic book movie character is really at a risk of dying, but at least the illusion of it is there. Hulk doesn't even have that.

Keep him as an accessory. A full length Hulk movie will never work.

avengers vs x-men
secret wars

There's plenty to do. They don't even need to get rid of the x-men fox established, marvel isn't introducing time gimmicks multidimensions and multiverses just for shits 'n giggles. Many x-men actors wants to get in the mcu bandwaggon. Probably people producing the damn movies too.

>They still own the film rights to Namor.

I think I remember reading that they reacquired them last year or something.

Right, but even then, how can you do House of M? In fact, the biggest problem the X-Films have is that we aren't really clear who the X-Men roster even is! We're so indifferent to their characters, it's hard to really define them.

House of M needs way more backstory than there is in the current MCU or X-men films.

Didn't stop them from doing Old Man Logan and Civil War.

I'll give a fuck when they stop being the most consistently quality studio out there.

Maybe if these other "underdog" (which is a fucking joke) studios would get their shit together I'd be on their side.

Old Man Logan had pretty much nothing in common with the comic besides "Logan goes on a road trip and he's old."

Civil War had 11 movies preceeding it, 8 of which directly tied into the plot of Civil War.

>There's really nothing left to do.
all the stuff that involved the x-men interacting with the other parts of the universe, like the new x-men going to asgard, magik becoming queen of limbo, house of m, mutant massacre, broodfall, etc etc

Valiant Comics is getting their own cinematic Universe.

Well shoot son, maybe we should wait until it gets past the first movie. Kaijuuverse and DCEU are the only other cinematic universes after MCU that made it past 2

Old Man Logan had fuckall to do with the comic. Thank god.

Universal is probably going to make a third movie that ties into the Mummy and Dracula Unleashed. Probably?

That's my point. These movies are only very loosely based on comics in the first place. Every single Marvel movie has one to two stories they're explicitly based on, yet only take the most basic, surface-level elements of them and write a completely new story.

So there's basically infinite possibility here since a MCU Days of Future Past wouldn't resemble the Fox DOFP any more than that movie resembled the comic already.

Dracula Untold wasn't part of the "Dark Universe", Mummy is the first film in the series.

Untold is like their equivalent of Green Lantern: it was supposed to kickstart their new universe but it flopped.

No, they hold the distribution rights.

They only hold them for solo Hulk movies, and possibly television. I would assume that extends to derivatives like She-Hulk.

Who knows by then?

FOX's problem is that they never rebooted, so the original contract has expired and they're in overtime now. When they fail to hit a deadline, that's it - rights revert. It's why they're doing tv stuff all of a sudden - movies have a tendency to be pushed back.

It is but in the way that any production of a Marvel property by FOX is a FOX/Marvel joint. Marvel's name goes on it because that's what the contract says. They're more prominently displaying the Marvel logo (and talking about 'co-operation') because Marvel's MCU is a bigger brand than FOX's X-Men. In fact it's just another FOX show.

FOX can't sell X-Men to anybody without offering it to Marvel at the same price first. That would require someone else willing to buy a Marvel property, especially a used-up one.

With the contract in overtime, there's nothing worth buying. Marvel know it will eventually expire, FOX know it's not worth the time and money to reboot and potentially lose the rights while waiting for funding to be approved, everybody else knows (or would know, if they were offered the rights) that the original time limit has expired and there is no possibility of extending it other than by continuing FOX's franchise - same actors, same whatever.

So at this point FOX's choice is make tv or pay Jennifer Lawrence, the only big star they ever had on the franchise, her A-list instead of her bit-player rate to come back. They won't do that, contrary to reports. If nothing else, because she'd want danger money just to wear the latex again - it's very, very bad when you're sensitized to it, and they're not going to want to insure against that. The premiums on a $200m production with that kind of risk attached would be outrageous.

The fact that it isn't called Cable & Deadpool was the first sign.

>It'll be an Austin Powers 2.
That was great though.

The mummy flopped too

And unlike Dracula Untold, it was boring as well

>Apocalypse did well for Fox, it's just a meme that it was a big flop.

It wasn't like a Big flop, but if you're talking about that $543.9 million figure that's worldwide. The budget was $178 million and Domestic was $155.4 million. I would say at a minimum that's a disappointment.

Disney movies haven't been good in decades. Get some taste.

Can't wait for when Disney changes some incredibly insignificant position, who makes some tiny error, and the lasting domino effect destroys our economy harder than anything AIG or Enron ever could've done! But it'll be okay because they tickled your nostalgia gland, right?

Standard Oil made oil cheap and stopped a lot of pollution.

they were broken up. though most of the companies created by the break up, have merged back together.

Isn't this one of those domestic flops, but makes it money back over seas?

>FOX's X-Men brand is so damaged

Logan is considered one of the best films of the year and possibly the greatest superhero movie ever. Deadpool got great reviews and made a shit load of money on a modest budget. The prequel trilogy made a nice profit, and except for the third (which was average) they got good reviews. Now Deadpool 2 and another prequel film is on the way. How is it damaged?

Don't forget that Namor's VIDEOGAME and CARTOON rights are apparently still tangled up as well. He hasn't show up in any media other than comics since 2006.

>Then there's his powerset: Nothing hurts him.

Hulk gets hurt all the time in the MCU, and by honestly pretty weak impacts like the Abomination throwing a concrete block at his face or falling at terminal velocity.

It's okay.

When the Dark Universe totally stomps the MCU, Marvel studios/Disney will come crawling to Universal begging for help!

Watch out, Mickyshits! Dark Universe is here to kick your ass!!!! Monster Kino is here!

KILL DISNEY AND EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE RELATED TO IT

> an entertainment company is in any way similar to investment firms in terms of potential economic impact
I mean, there's retarded, and then there's you.

>starting your cinematic universe with a bland, shitty movie
Looks like they're taking lessons from DC.

Is this actually the first one? I thought it was the Dracula one, or maybe the Frankenstein one.

Fox has yet to touch the X-Men full potential. They will have content for years to come.

Disney/Marvel on the other hand is problematic. The current Spidey film was the first time my circle of friends and family went "meh" on. People are slowly getting tired of Marvel playing it safe, which was evident all the way when dr strange came out. Inhumans look laughable and iron fist bombed hard.


Let's not forget how shit marvel animation looks. Seriously it's so obvious they are trying to cut corners and hire the cheapest Hanna Barbera level of animation.

>Getting the same guy who drove Amazing Spider-Man 2 off a cliff to direct and write the first entry in the Dark Universe.

Universal should have predicted it from the very beginning.

Oh yes let's get rid of the only people making good movies

Nope this one's the first

Marvel Entertainment are known to be not very smart unlike Marvel Studios who got so fed up of their idiocy they jumped ship to take orders from Disney who have so far kept a hands-off approach.

>Blaming Disney for Marvel's problem

Everything bad currently happening with Marvel (not the movies themselves which are doing well) are all due to Marvel's stupidity, Disney has nothing to do with it.

Your post was great then it took a freefall when you start blabbering about MCU formula growing old.

The MCU is past this bullshit. They could release a movie with faige beating his dick while evans and iron man dance in the background and it would still make enough cash to justify a sequel and be a part of a money making machine bigger than any capeshit out there.

Couting the money of only one individual movie in the mcu is a mistake, it just show interest in that particular hero/brand. Money should be counted as a whole. It would take another eleven movies flopping in order to it stop being profitable, probably.

Dracula Unleashed was suppose to be the start of Dark Universe but it was critically panned by everyone so they started over.

They started over with the Mummy. And it was panned by everyone.

It's a Fox Paid Shill, he knows that when FoX-Men bombs he'll be out of a job and is jealous that Marvel Studios is doing better and will continue to breath. Seriously, Fox is bringing JLaw and Fassbender as the main characters of the Dark Pheonix movie (because that worked so well for Apocalypse), Hugh Jackman is retired from playing Wolverine and jumped ship to the MCU (kek) and Deadpool lost its director.

Funniest part is they would have been better off going with Dacula Untold

honestly Disney should just set aside a couple billion dollars aside to buy back all the rights from Universal, Fox, and Sony(and by that I mean several billion dollars for each set of rights they're buying back)

>Hollywood doesn't function like normal business where you want to constantly maximize profit and minimize waste. In Hollywood it's better to hang onto bargaining chips until you can maximize their use, even if that's not for years and years.
if mostly because "Hollywood Accounting" is still legal somehow

Sadly this.
Why bother on a solo movie when they know it will flop

i tried, but not hard

Serves Universal right for being niggers and ditching DU like that.

>Sony's deal was actually extremely unusual for Hollywood

What people don't understand is that Sony's deal with Marvel Studios isn't permanent. Especially if it turns out that SM-H essentially ends up in the same or near the neighborhood of TASM/TASM2 as far as box office, Sony is going to be far less willing to do squat with Marvel. They will have gotten whatever benefit there is to be hand from the association with Marvel (and besides, 90% of casuals/nubes assumed Garfield was in the MCU as they assume Deadpool is in the MCU) they can carry over to their other Spider-verse connected properties without splitting any cash with Marvel.

>Get rid of all of the personality and style the 1999 movie had
>Make it lackluster and throw in Tom Cruise because lol why not

thanks for the info, user

No they cannot.

Marvel can make a movie that essentially repetitive of what they have done in the past and it will make money. They also are getting a past from the media (which is why people breathlessly talk about how the biggest movie in theaters today is a serious philosophical study of the father/son relationship OR how someone literally wrote an entire essay on how SM-H was the first explicit version that shows Peter as the street level hero, doing the small things that writ large show his dedication and devotion to 'his city' - which is what makes him your 'Friendly Neighborhood' yadda yadda.)

But word of mouth and nothing new is what is depressing the box office (see how the sequel made less than GotG, etc. and how SM is really not doing significantly better than TASM/TASM2).

You sound like you have a MBA, complaining that a massively successful movie wasn't successful enough because it didn't break records.

Fuckin anything to do with Mr Sinister would be nice.

It's a Foxshill. Ignore them.

>Logan is considered one of the best films of the year

so far, but acceptable point

>and possibly the greatest superhero movie ever.

now you're reaching; it's got to beat the ghost of Christopher Reeve in the minds of literally billions of people before you can call it that

>Deadpool got great reviews and made a shit load of money on a modest budget.

So did the first Burton Batman! And it's a nice little film, you'd never know by the way people bitch about it not being a "Batman" movie today, but it's pretty solid for what it was. The low budget shows in places, but they really gave something surprisingly refreshing to audiences.

Then they tried to repeat the trick with twice the budget.

>The prequel trilogy made a nice profit,

I mean... not really. By today's standards they were really kind of lackluster, box-office wise. Especially X3. Wait, are we talking about the first 3 X-Men movies or the JLaw movies? Because the JLaw ones are the only ones that made money, and only one of them made serious 2010's money.

>and except for the third (which was average) they got good reviews.

Funny how this could apply to X3 or Apocalypse.

>Now Deadpool 2 and another prequel film is on the way. How is it damaged?

Deadpool 2 is happening, but see above. As for the rest... I don't see JLaw doing promo stuff, so I don't believe she's coming back. She may be negotiating; without her, FOX won't do another with her cast.

New Mutants is a fantasy. There's no way they can hit that April release date from here, they haven't even started filming.

They could make a teen slasher movie in that space of time, but it wouldn't be anything you'd recognize as X-Men.

Ruffalo is a faggot and doesn't deserve a movie

ASM made half what Homecoming has made in the same space of release (it also cost 25% more, both adjusted for inflation) and is on track to make between 260 and 318 million domestically; 260 is nearly impossible (even dropping hard week to week it's still going to have made 260 in the first month). ASM, adjusted, was about 284 domestic; if BAKA doesn't drop as hard next weekend (which would be reasonable, since its opener was huge), it'll easily break 300 within 8 weeks.

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Guardians 1 made significantly less domestically and internationally, even adjusted for inflation, than Guardians 2.

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That is just because Fox is dumb with what they use the X -Men for. AKA no brood, waiting till now for the new mutants

There is still tons of good stuff
>mutant massacre
>Inferno
>xcalibur
>genosha
>savage lands stuff
>mojo
>life death
>fall of the mutants
>All that fucking around in Asgard


Imagine how hard your cock would be to see a film with Thor, the new mutants, and maybe even the xmen too

>Marvel are the ones unwilling to work with Universal here, not the other way around. I'm sure Universal would be willing to end the deal for a fee but it seems Disney is intent on proving they don't need Hulk solos anyway.
That's a lot of speculation, don't you think?

>yfw you will never see the time Hulk got raped in the YMCA on the big screen

>tfw no planet hulk movie
Aw, that would have been cool to see.

they aren't using the brood bc they're pretty clearly straight up Aliens rip off.

gonna pretend as hard as i can Valkyrie in Ragnarok is actually Dani...