What is it with making scientists in comics atheists?

Regardless of your personal beliefs, these Universes have legit Gods, with the Abrahamic one being the Top Dog in both DC & Marvel.

I can get the notion of "I've met Gods, so it's a normal everyday thing, therefore I don't worship", but why go the gnostic atheist route? A gnostic atheist does not believe in the very existance of a Supreme Being. Someone who knows it's there, but doesn't worship it, like most Sup Forums characters, would realistically be a Deist, a Pantheist, or a Panatheist.

Why do writers simply take the easy way out and do that to every single science-based character? In later years, they have turned into complete fedora tippers everyone who's not Black Panther (muh Bast) or Doom (muh Paganist Roots). Why? Are they too bored to do some research?

As for Stark, it angers me mostly because it goes against decades of established lore. He prayed during Civil War, he buried his sentient armor and carved a wooden cross, Howard calling pi "God's message" is one of his few fond memories, and even in the Ultimate U he flies to the "detonating in minutes" Helicarrier to place rosary beads in Bruce's hand. He's no devout Catholic or anything, but he has SOME form of faith/belief/spirituality/metaphysical philosophy.

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Writers are hacks and don't know anything about their own characters, instead snow plowing over decades of characterization to write shitty character archetypes that fit what they assumed the character was like the whole time.

It's just laziness. Same as any magic vs science drama you run into.

>Why do writers simply take the easy way out and do that to every single science-based character?

Yeah that's what fucking annoys me with Marvel, it not only is blanding characters to be too similar but also makes little sense in a universe where the Asgardians and Olympian gods exist.

Fraction doing that with Reed was laughable in light of the fact that there was a story in Waid's run where Reed meets God, who happened to be Jack Kirby.

And then there was also that Spider-Man arc by someone where Peter was upset with God on the night Ben got murdered, or something.

If atheists in the MU don't make sense, then neither do jewish, muslim and christians.
How can Daredevil, Shadowcat or Ms Marvel still believe that there is one only god when they've met Thor or Hercules.

>then neither do jewish, muslim and christians.

But their God is the one that's canon. What do you mean?

Also the 10 commandments directly refers to other gods. They are just lesser and should come after God god.

Stan Lee intended them to all be athetists. Besides the judeo Christian gods are just a myth in marvel earth.

Writers made daredevil into Jesus.

They don't have "gods". They know for a fact that all their gods are just extremely, extremely advanced and powerful species.

There is no being, as far as anyone in the Marvel U knows, that is omnipotent, omniscient and guides the fates of all beings. No, the OAB is not that.

That's the thing that they don't believe. Not that it's not a possibility, but that there is no evidence whatsoever for it. The existence of Thor does nothing to prove or disprove the existence of Christian God.

On that note, Christian God in the Marvel U has only been acknowledged by certain magical characters like Ghost Rider, never encountered in person, and again there is no proof that that's not just another Thor-level deity as well.

The main God is Toaa. Not even the Yahweh God.
Lucifer is just mene name used by demons and villians in comics.

>Stan Lee intended them to all be athetists.

[citation needed]

Having traditional beliefs or being an atheist doesn't make sense if you life in a world where Shuma-Gorath can tentacle-rape you ever other day, mutations grant you power of God (JIm Jaspers) or your life was personally saved by Thor.


The world should be abound with with million little cults trying to create their answer to this insane world. Being in The Church of Thor, having Franklin Richards as your persoanl saviour or calling the Ghost Rider to punish the wicked is the only reasonable manner to live in such universe.

The ONE-ABOVE-ALL stands ABOVE Yaweh, Allah, God and El-Shaddai.
marvel.wikia.com/wiki/Yahweh_(Earth-616)

Its like in BRPD, everything what is stated in the BIble is truth, but it matters not.

When gods are undoubtedly part of objective reality, the whole concept of "faith" goes out of the water. They can still question the nature of their divinity though, perhaps consider them "merely" advanced beings/elementals/races rather than something inherently superior to the mortal world.

For fucks sake it's as simple as DENYING THE DIVINITY of said gods. Is no different to the spanish MEETING and capturing the INCA, Jews on egypt (regardless of never happening) denying the divinity of the pharao or he brits and the emperor of china..

Why do Christfags need to keep talking about the same shit all the time.

Scientists on those universes deny the divinity of said gods, not their powers. Heaven isnt so special when you had walked on 3 different hells, and gods are not so special when Thanos ofr the anti-monitor can shat on them.


Fuck you angry insecure baby.

>Deist
Is that what you call somebdoy who believes that a god exists, but doesn't worship it? I though that deist was also implying worshiping.

Deist: "The belief that God has created the universe but remains apart from it and permits his creation to administer itself through natural laws. Deism thus rejects the supernatural aspects of religion, such as belief in revelation in the Bible, and stresses the importance of ethical conduct."

can't say I've heard the term Panatheist OP used though

>claims Christians are insecure

>then goes on a rant about why your beliefs are justified

Pantheism is, for the sake of simplicity, the belief that God is Nature, everything around us and all our collective consciousness together.

Except he stated that the OP is insecure in the end of the post and ranted about the beliefs of the characters, not his own.

Being a deist doesn't mean you worship God, just that you acknowledge that a supreme being created the universe

I believe in intelligent design but I don't believe our creator cares about whether we pray to them or not. The universe is fucking huge and life has to exist on other planets in just our galaxy alone and to think that god cares about you the human, does on earth, is stupid and narcissistic. Not to mention putting morals or genders on a being that's most likely beyond such limiting things.

The user is insecure himself because he's whining about someone else's beliefs which are in opposition to his own. The very definition of insecurity

I´m not talking about what i believe. But we can't allow more bitching. Aren't the Castlevania threads enough?

What religion would you join if you would live in the Marvel Universe? Disciples of Shuma-Gorath, the Immortals of Evolution, the Cooks of Galactus?

>The user is insecure himself because he's whining about someone else's beliefs which are in opposition to his own.

Who said that? I'm saying that bitching about this is retarded and shows how insecure Americans are about their religion, that shit needs to stop. It leads to pic related, There is no evil plan to turn you atheist.

>SJWs are godless heathens
>Write characters as godless heathens.

Which one gets me the most high quality sex. Or failing that porn. Possibly some mutant supremacist religion? I'm ok with the weird stuff. Trash level, but not /d/.

>faith/belief/spirituality/metaphysical philosophy
>metaphysical philosophy
Am I dreaming or is this fucking stupid? What the hell does metaphysics have to do with spirituality? Are you seriously suggesting that someone with any deistic belief for some reason also must have an opinion about the existence of platonic ideals, concrete objects or an argument for a or b theory of time?
For fucks sake people, stop associating metaphysics with magic already, Jesus Christ.

This gets me really autistic. People who don't know about metaphysics just assume it's in the same ballpark as spirituality or religion, when it's just as far removed as international trade law or hydraulics

The Immortals of Evolution. The High Evolutionary has a good enough grasp on both science and magic, and knows how to juggle both. He could create a damn good Futuristic-World.

I'm more bothered that not a single "scientist" ever uses the scientific method or even mentions the fact they have peer reviewed papers or how many citations they have. Indiana jones is closer to being an actual archeologist than any comic book "scientist" is to being a scientist.

Well, all of them are recognized super-geniuses with super-human abillities who create ultra-powerful machines all the time. I doubt they are in need of citations. People would rush to do that.

Besides, Stark has a company, it's not like he's hands-on himself with everything Stark industries produces. He probably has a few personal projects alongside his armor tinkering, but I doubt he publishes papers.

It's linked more to education in general as being something associated especially with science. The decline in religious faith has pretty much come about with the rise of educational standards over the last century or so. It's why the religious right is always trying to introduce religion back into schools.

quora.com/Are-most-scientists-atheist
Note this is US scientists only. Worldwide the number of 'godly' scientists drops even more. Depends on the field of study too - pic related is for biologists alone.

The most famous example of a scientist who was also a believer is Sir Isaac Newton - even with all that he did for establishing so much in various sciences he spent a huge chunk of his life trying to reconcile the bible with what he was discovering about the natural world/universe - and couldn't do it. Remembering this is the guy who pretty much came up with the field of calculus simply to give himself the ability and terminology with which to answer another question entirely.

The one that gets me is:
>"Philosophy's all about talking about god"

Nope. Dat's theology. My uni has a full philosophy curriculum and a humongous three papers out of the thirty-five they offer deal with religion.

So the only theist scientists are the shitty ones who don't understand their own work. It all makes sense!

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Citations, publishing, and peer review would still be massively important to secure funding, form working relationships, and keep employment. It'd be especially important in the MU, where you'd need extensive replicability to rule out superpowered manipulation of the results. Microbe from New Warriors destroyed his father's reputation and career due to unknowingly using his ability to manipulate bacteria and viruses to get the results his father wanted in experiments.