Why are most Sup Forums lesbian relationships just so....... boring?

why are most Sup Forums lesbian relationships just so....... boring?

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Because women are boring

Because Lesbians are boring.

What's that even mean?

Because relationships are boring

Because no one likes real fag couples so media makes them as tame as possible

Any media presentation is built on a framework of its own history.

Lesbians do not have that history yet. You do not know what is tired, what arouses, what is universal, what interests, what bores, what is forgetful.

It will be a long time yet before that builds up.

Hopefully never.

Lesbian pairings lack chemistry as of late.

>You do not know what what arouses, what interests
Two sexy, naked lesbians fisting each other.

The real reason is because writers are too afraid to do anything outside of a very boring, safe relationship or else they'll get mobbed by the PC crowd for being "problematic". (even though real relationships are messy and imperfect"

Girls can have multiple orgasms while having sex so if two girls are having sex they just go at it forever until they die of exhaustion

Most of them exist as a means of telling people how perfectly normal it is for two hot girls, who can get any guy they want, to want to fuck each other, which misses the point. It's actually quite unnatural outside of fiction and not playing to how wrong it would make them feel while in equal parts confused and aroused is a disservice to the story.

It's cause writers skip the romance. Take Korrasami for example, no bulidup and you feel like the characters have zero agency.

and the Porn isnt even good

Cause everyone's afraid of showing imperfections in the face of potential internet outrage.

We'll agree to disagree on that.

unlike japan media, western try to capture real woman personality, women are boring as exploitable characters because you need to make them "strong" in order to do not trigger anyone, women are insecure, weak, liars, manipulative and a long etc. But you can show that. While, Japan writes men and make them girls, overexaggerate lust and that works

It's diverse for dummies. You still can say you have gays but never do anything risky.

It's a consequence of cartoons and comics being a boys club. Women are the big other and writing about two women without a man involved is too complicated, especially with the PC burden. There are women currently working on the industry but for getting into it they had to learn to think like a man or else stick to their feminist blog and slash fics. Stories aren't written on a vacuum, they're influenced by the environment

PC burden, most likely. You have groups of people just waiting for a writer or director to mess up a non-heterosexual relationship, just to get pageviews/notes/attention for themselves and form an angry mob. There are people that would rather bring down a work of art, just to get oppression brownie points. Most people would rather not deal with that and write safe relationships so as not to walk into a minefield.

Says you. Chicks have been kissing chicks for a long time. Not openly for very long, but like, genres and literature and media by and for chicks who kiss chicks (or don't, I'm sure some of them don't do kissing on the mouth, whatever) have existed for some time less openly.

It's to be inoffensive as possible while at the same time insulting when someone asks for lgbt Sup Forums characters

Drama is dangerous for your series in the age of social media. Only being lesbian or gay would provide any kind of shield but even then, people could still attack you if you wrote something like an abusive relationship.

Then stay within it's own niche and stop shitting up cartoons with how boring and forced it is.

There's no way to relate to them.

Relationships in Sup Forums are mostly boring in general, period. I don't care if these two characters are fucking unless it affects the much more important & interesting plot line / story. Two uninteresting characters aren't any more interesting just because they're dating.

The only Sup Forums relationship I actually enjoyed seeing was Rigby & Eileen from Regular Show, and that's because they're very different characters and are fun to see interact with each other.

Many of them are just there to be implied for shipping reasons while not upsetting religious people too much.

Assume OP didn't like pic related. I don't know what to tell you, maybe it's just not for you.

This.

Because:
1) Relationships in general are hard to write, not many good cartoon relationships.
2) Censors mean the relationship isn't usually developed enough and feels like an ass pull or pandering, see Korrasami. Or it's a "relationship from the past" that they'll just reference and they will act like just good friends. See Princess Bubblegum and Marceline.
3) All the hype behind a "ground breaking, progressive, relationship" means the standards of the relationship are insanely low. You can not just have a half assed relationship, but a flat out bad one and people will still worship the writers for being "brave enough" to show it.

Korrasami is especially bad, all they did was hold hands at the end and people were having aneurysm at Bryke being "brave and progressive"

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This is the right answer.

Sexual identity becomes the focus and any real depth of character is never displayed.
Although as much as I hated the gay-renee turn to hook in Batwoman that turned into one of the few gay relationships in Sup Forums that wasn't a total waste of time.

>those reactions
what the fuck, this puts all those arguments with korra fans in perspective

>Lesbians do not have that history yet.

that's nonsense

there are hundreds of thousands of books of lesbian literature, written by lesbians, for lesbians - and while the majority of these works reached our shelves post 1960, there's a huge body of work detailing the lives of western womyn in same secks relationship to draw on

that's why we have such phrases as 'lesbian bed-death' in common usage, coming straight from lesbian communities talking about themselves honestly

and that''s not even touching the government and university studies detailing everything from the length of lesbian relationships to the high rates of domestic violence and suicide

so while i have no idea why the OP thinks Sup Forums lesbians are boring, save perhaps what other anons have suggested, in that the current climate suppresses honesty; for you to say that there isn't a known history of lesbian life is ridiculous and can only wonder if you think oranges are the only fruit

don't forget the "ghost busters syndrome" where if you criticize the relationship the fans will just accuse you of being homophobic,

they end up putting the relationship above reproach, discussion becomes impossible

shut the FUCK up Kovacs

>most
well, feel free to share some western yuri that you did enjoy

Shota x shota is the thinking man's fetish

The same reason why there are more fujos than neckbeards.

>where if you criticize the relationship the fans will just accuse you of being homophobic,

Otherwise known as the "Davekat defense"

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>so while i have no idea why the OP thinks Sup Forums lesbians are boring
Because they're so ubiquitous as a story device in modern webcomics, comic books, and cartoons. And because they are always portrayed in a way that avoids any flaws, because the obvious intent is to prove to the world that gays are perfect.

>Ehryel
She's a whole bag of crazy lesbian teacher/student sex with great /h/ art. Remember the first time I found the porn she made, getting a little nostalgic over it.

I like Maggie and Alex on Supergirl, although that's mostly because Alex's actor is really fucking cute when she gets all excited and happy about her girlfriend. But more importantly they don't act like all lesbian relationships are pairs of flawless angels singing on clouds about how great pussy is. Maggie can be a bit of a shit person, and there's a bit of drama when it's revealed that she cheated on her last girlfriend.

Because a steady, stable relationship is boring to those on the outside. And with any other relationship, your audience will be wondering why the fuck they even stay in the relationship.

I think it's because you're gay user.

yeah, i hear ya bro

magical ghey people gonna magical

Usually they find comfort in each other instead of strife, we prefer to see characters tested rather than unchanging.

Take Les Nombrils for example, sudden sexual shift is sudden though admittedly technically foreshadowed but interested and desired to see play out because it's so rife with complexities. The two people involved could likely find something between each other but not without first affecting their relationship with others and their identity.
The fact both people involved are so forward yet vulnerable with each other also helps pull us in.

I guess it helps they're easy on the eyes too, to be Punisher.

This

>what arouses, what is universal, what interests,
Oneechans
Bullying
Grinding on partner's leg while making out

>Tfw no stories about a pure lesbian turning straight after developing a close relationship with a cute boy

Sounds boring.

Because when it comes to Sup Forums stuff, it's usually ham handedly shoved in.

Nah

You really think a subculture history is really going to have the breadth of media representation as pop culture? Don't deliberately misunderstand me, I'm not saying it doesn't exist, I'm saying that it hasn't done as much in the public sphere yet.

You're saying that oranges have many varieties, so they must necessarily be as prolific as every other fruit.

That doesn't sound very interesting

This is why no one likes bisexuals.

There would have to be some coercion aspect, like she is forced by her parents to hang out with him for some reason.

I didn't like it because I went in expecting porn and after 20 minutes I felt extremely cheated

>believing this

It's true. Lesbians have more orgasms than straight women.

That sounds even less interesting.

Well that's not true.

I don't know about "full lez" but this kind of things sometimes happen in anime due to how lots see gay as just a phase.

I would need to see a good example before I judge though

>Well that's not true.
No that's very true.

Alright fine then there's also farting. Jeez Sup Forums

nah it checks out.

The people who hate bi are ass ravaged gay people who can't find anyone to date.

This.
The presence of the man makes the relationship interesting.

The reason the reverse works is because there's an element of taboo, or forbidden love. Maybe the parents are very conservative or it's set in a country where they could face criminal charges. The characters have a reason to try and repress their feelings for one another. No one gives a shit if a man and a woman fall in love. The only conflict would be the 'lesbian' character figuring out that she's attracted to this guy.

Westerners can't into yuri. They simply HAVE to shove in political commentary, or else they get accused of sexualizing women or of "Queerbaiting".

How? Straight romances tend to be boring as shit and always follow the same cookie cutter formula.

Yeah, but outside of niché manga publications, Japan can't into yuri either these days. All they do is yuri-bait. It's weird considering there are like 5 full on yaoi anime each season.

>You really think a subculture history is really going to have the breadth of media representation as pop culture?

ok, fair enough - you've demonstrated that lesbian lit isn't as pop-culture as i might argue, seeing as you completely missed my reference to Jeanette Winterson's book 'Oranges are not the Only Fruit'
(it was really popular back in the 80s, getting adapted for television by the BBC etc)

so i guess you've proved the your point... it's just, well... Sup Forumsmics are exactly 'mainstream' are they?

>No one gives a shit if a man and a woman fall in love.
She could be part of a lesbian social circle who she feels would shun her if she stopped being gold star. Or she could have a girlfriend even. But taboo is a mental construct, so if you write the girl well and portray her as disliking men and wanting nothing to do with fucking them then when she finally accepts a dong it's taboo in her mind and it's taboo in the reader's mind because we're invested in the character and her value system.

>Implying yuri also doesn't have it's own formula

As discussed, they're safe and make for good "Look how progressive we are" bait. Their relationship is pretty surface level however and they rarely dive deeper into the aspects outside of "LOOK HOW OPPRESSED WE ARE"

To get a solid dramatic relationship, you need tension and issues. "Dad doesn't like my girlfriend," "My girlfriend is clingy sometimes, but I love her," "We're very different people and the honeymoon is done, what now?" etc.

Sup Forums media tends to ignore the "relationship" part of lesbian relationships and just focus on girls liking girls.

I'm still not sure you could make an interesting narrative around it. The stakes are too low.

No everyone hates them. Straight, gay, and the other freaks out there.

Because men are interesting and women are not.

i probably would not have got that even if i read it

I'm just going to second the general sentiment of women/lesbians being boring. I haven't seen much of them around in the media but usually it's either "oh no this is so forbidden!" tier shit, SJW crap at an attempt to repel fetishization or they're just doing homely and boring shit together. Straight/gay stuff is vastly superior.

By the way, what would you guys say is the lesbian equivalent of Apollo and Midnighter?

This. If you still think girls making out and doing other shit with each other is the hottest thing ever chances are you're 12.

Hey man don't blame it on us. user's a moeblob, SoL loving weeb with the personality of wet bread before he's a bisexual.

i'm also thinking that maybe the trans-atlantic divide sees an awful lot more homosexual literature here in europe than in america

honestly, the bookshops are full of the stuff, with awards and prizes every year for ghey lit and film

I enjoy secondary relationships that can also just be interpreted as girls just hanging casually. If they want to be interpreted in a more intimate relationship by fans, that's fine.

Also, I feel a little strange reading material with central lesbian pairings written by straight men. cough cough Korra/Asami. I'm probably wrong and other people helped them out in writing the comic, but the preview pages of recent seemed rather groan-inducing.

How about a story about a couple who want to have a baby, but can't afford the fertility clinic stuff so one of them asks her male friend to knock up her (bisexual) wife. But the biwife doesn't want to sleep with someone else because it makes her feel unfaithful, so they have to make it a threesome to make her more comfortable with the situation. They have trouble conceiving and have to have sex over and over and over and over. Eventually the lesbian starts to realize that she's developing feelings for her male friend and tensions mount until things break down between her and her wife and she goes running into the man's arms, and she has sex with him for the first real time. After the sad music emotional montage part that happens in the third act of every chick flick she goes to her wife and they begin trying to out their issues, although she keeps having sex with the man a secret. When things are beginning to get back to normal and they've put having a child on the backburner the protagonist leswife goes back to her friend that she's been avoiding at the behest of her wife with the shocking news that she's pregnant from their night together and doesn't know how to deal with this in the current state of their relationship. Now the three have to try and make things work while balancing varying amounts of hate, lust, and desire for their child to have a good family.
Also it would be erotica so you can see all the good stuff.

>the obvious intent is to prove to the world that gays are perfect.

It's funny how this has become such a prevalent thing in the media when people seem to love LGBT characters that are flawed and messed up and genuinely interesting a shitload more than they like the perfect vanilla characters. That's something that applies to all characters and the tumblr demographic keeps fucking this up for everybody.

>mixing up the influences of the superego and the id this critically
>blindly worshipping what you assume are base instincts as if we didnt evolve higher order brain functions just as "naturally" as everything else

It literally isn't unnatural. By definition.
>to how wrong it would make them feel
That isn't accurate though.

Point to a any kind of romantic relationship in anything that isn't teeth-shatteringly tedious to watch...

If I wanted to watch a bunch of overdramatic assholes mindlessly pine after one another I'd go ahead and watch a Soap Opera...

Most people who write about lesbian relationships just aren't very good writers. They don't come up with interesting with a interesting story/characters and when they do it tends to be poorly executed or have some other problems.

Supposedly nearly 20% of women in the US have had sex with other women/claim to be bisexual.

Romantic subplots as a whole in comics and cartoons are usually pretty banal, lame and detract from the plot but if we're allowed to include Sup Forums stuff I'd have to bring up Beecher and Keller's relationship in Oz.

Yah

Alright, Sup Forums, give me some examples of GOOD lesbian couples in fiction. Can be any media.

Depends on the straight man writing it for me. Rucka usually writes interesting/believable lesbians. But yeah, Korrasami and some other pairings you can just feel how forced it is.

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This. There are no perfect relationships.

Yuru Yuri

You just want to see orientation play porn.

>Expectations
Blame that on whomever sold it to you. And no, "but there's T&A on the cover" is not a valid excuse, unless you've literally never purchased a comic before.

Most Sup Forums relationships are boring as fuck, in fact, I cannot think of one from recent times that isn't played out as fuck or just plain boring.

>that video
Do people really care about imaginary relationships of filled-in lines that much?