Back in the late 70s, Marvel turned Captain Marvel supporting character Carol Danvers into her own superhero named Ms. Marvel. They wanted to have a "feminist" superhero to appeal to second-wave feminists at the time. She had her own ongoing and was added to the Avengers. Unfortunately for her, Marvel EiC Jim Shooter wasn't too fond of feminists and didn't want a "damn bra-burner" wasting a spot on the Avengers. To that end, he ordered that she be written out ASAP. This is the result of that order.
This is Avengers #200: The Rape of Ms. Marvel.
Colton Richardson
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Camden Howard
I've already read this because I actually like Carol, but woooo, bring it on!
Carson Murphy
Haha just in time.
You gonna do the thing that happened to Powergirl which was kinda similar?
John Russell
Same. Thanks for AA10 Claremont.
Isaac Fisher
YAASS QUEEEN
Landon Walker
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Thomas Peterson
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Landon Nguyen
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Parker Ward
Probably the most unfortunate story line in all of 80's Marvel Comics.
Was it really rape though?
Brody Long
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Adrian Butler
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Grayson Cook
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Jayden Nguyen
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Daniel Smith
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Bentley Lewis
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Asher Morris
She was mind controlled, therefore she didn't consent, therefore it's rape.
Cooper Thomas
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Austin Hill
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Isaac Jackson
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Benjamin Young
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Dominic Kelly
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Liam Rivera
And then Vision pressured Wanda into having magical babies, with Dr Strange's approval. And then Bendis blamed Wanda for being "baby-crazy". Which reminds me, does Disassembled deserve a SOP?
Robert Gutierrez
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Joseph Thompson
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Nathan Peterson
AA10/Kang Dynasty palate cleanser bonus?
Charles Fisher
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Jose Howard
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Kevin Jones
In Avengers books, Beast was usually written as a goofball, so it was cool seeing him remind everyone he's a genius. And then when he returned to the X-Books they only focused on the genius part and his fun side was forgotten.
Samuel Barnes
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Jayden Campbell
Normally I would, but it's not in the spirit of SoPs to give a palette cleanser.
Christian Hall
>Let's let this mysterious kid who won't tell us anything we want to know use a bunch of advanced tech, what could go wrong?
Levi Johnson
>does Disassembled deserve a SOP? Not like this, NOT LIKE THIS!
I first read that page before I was aware of the meme storm surrounding Bendis. It felt so weird and out of place, why would anyone dive into an engine air intake like that?
Juan Peterson
Disassembled was the time Bendis was given complete control to do anything he wants without editors holding him down, so maybe yes.
Matthew Garcia
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Brody Ortiz
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Jose Brooks
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Levi Scott
someone shoul post War Machine 2.0 >tfw crying about it since yesterday
Jonathan Bennett
The worst part is that originally Carol was going to be pregnant with a Supremor seed. But because of a What If most people wouldn't have read that showed the son of the Supreme Intelligence had recently come out, for some reason Marvel felt like it had to change it.
Oliver Adams
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Jackson Sullivan
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Luis Kelly
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Elijah Bailey
Oh, don't you worry. I did the storytime in the first SWoP. Not going to miss out on doing it again.
Nathan Diaz
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Henry Ross
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James Smith
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Hudson Jackson
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Gavin Barnes
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Logan Jackson
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Jayden Hernandez
>And admittedly, with a subtle boost from Immortus' machines WHY DID THEY HAVE TO INCLUDE THIS LINE?
Alexander Fisher
And that's it for the Rape of Ms. Marvel. Short, but sweet. Stay tuned for more Storytimes of Pain as the Storytime Weekend of Pain continues on. In the meantime, why not check out some of the SoPs that you may have missed:
Previous Threads: Day 1: (Marville) (Trouble) (The Unfunnies) (Nemesis) (Joker's Daughter) (Amazons Attack) (Change) (The Surface) (Earth-2: World's End) (Countdown pt. 1) (Countdown pt. 2) (Countdown pt. 3)
Day 2: (Jade Street Protection Service)
Colton Bailey
For anyone that wants to do their own SoP, here are some brief guidelines: >format the subject as "Storytime of Pain: *comic name*" for ease of searching >link to other storytimes of pain in the second or so post so people that are following along can make sure they didn't miss any (optional, but appreciated) >only storytime the absolute fucking worst comics imaginable, just being "bad/boring" doesn't make it SoP worthy, nor does "it doesn't fit with my political views"; this is for stuff that's physically painful to read >don't SoP a comic just to throw shade at it or its fans (for example, don't storytime, say, King's Batman just because you personally don't like it or want to troll Kingfags) >Sunday @ 8PM PST is the soft-cutoff point (as that's when the SDCC doors close); try to get any SoPs you plan on doing done before then Other than that, go nuts and let's all revel in some truly fucking awful comics.
Charles Anderson
Why did they want to write Ms. Marvel out again?
Asher Sanchez
>someone shoul post War Machine 2.0 Save that for Sunday.
Save the worst for last.
Matthew Lewis
Shooter hated feminists.
Camden Allen
wait, i don't get it. She falls in love with her rapist? How does she come back?
Robert Mitchell
LITERALLY in the op.
Jayden Barnes
I once read that he also tried writing Spider-Woman out because he thought she "emmasculated" Spider-Man by existing.
Sebastian Lewis
"Mom, apple pie, and the girl next door" What? I've heard the phrase "american as apple pie" before but not former. What the hell is that even supposed to mean?
John King
>How does she come back? Because of his rapid aging, Marcus dies quickly and after dieing, his mental control over Carol ends. She then escapes his realm and Spider-woman finds and saves her when she gets out. Then Jessica takes her to the X-men to recover.
The Avengers go to the X-Mansion to see her when they find out she's back and Carol tears them all a new one for allowing Marcus to take her to his rape dimension.
Josiah Kelly
Chewed out? Carol destroyed them verbally.
And mind you this was the 200th Issue of The Avengers. Earth's Mightiest. Was Shooter drunk when he wrote this?
Evan Perez
Byrne and Bendis proved equally adept at ruining female characters.
Marvel females are less popular due to character assassination by Shooter, Byrne, Bendis, Millar, and cringe-making SJW pandering by Bendis, Brevoort, Waid, etc.
Oliver Cruz
Holy shit what is even going on now
Ryan Peterson
no, it was stupid even by comic standards. there's no way beast could have done that... Hawkeye or Bullseye, sure. But that's unbelievable for beast.
Julian Reed
Man, fuck this shit.
Nathaniel Reed
I haven't read this before, so looking forward to it.
Though I'm a little disappointed there isn't a "Rape of Ms. Marvel" banner in the comic.
Thomas Hall
Someone should storytime that french comic about two chicks who have a bet which one of them can seduce a rich guy first. Can't remember the name.
Christian Ward
This is just so... inappropriate.
Owen Cruz
"How did you come to understand woman, Hank?" "With my fists."
Julian Jackson
I like how Marcus OPENLY ADMITS TO ALL OF THEM THAT HE MIND CONTROLLED HER
FUCKING
SHOOTER
FU
Logan Baker
>Someone should storytime that french comic about two chicks who have a bet which one of them can seduce a rich guy first.
A Little Tempation by Jim.
Michael White
How did Marvel know about the girl from the Titanic movie years before it came out?!
Tyler Taylor
I... what? Jesus Carol.
Parker Myers
Didn't Star Trek: The Next Generation do a very similar storyline with Troi?
Do Trekkies crap all over that story too?
Grayson Jenkins
Its weird to see people fawning over a baby these days.
The younger crowd who not only dont want any babies of their own seem completely terrified of the little things.
Cooper Bell
I can't speak for Trekkies, but I certainly do. A lot of season 1/2 TNG was absolutely fucking terrible. Code of Honor, Angel One... There's a reason why "Growing the Beard" is a trope for when a show gets good, from when Johnathan Frakes started growing his beard and the quality improved from then on. Early TNG was THAT mediocre.
Luis Reyes
Love sure is beautiful, eh?
Aaron James
Even the cast will openly say that the first two seasons of TNG was terrible.
Season 1 & 2 are only worth watching for the Q episodes, and the trial of Data. That's like 5 episodes out of around 44+.
Alexander Morales
She was mind-controlled *to* consent.
When the sexual activity occurred, she desired it and consented. But the consent was created via false pretenses. If I lie to a girl that I'm a millionaire and she sleeps with me to gain access to those funds, she then finds out I'm dirt-poor - was that rape?
Xavier Long
Huh, had never heard that. Interesting, and would have made more stylistic sense than the previously zero-connection between Carol and Immortus.
Bentley Parker
A girl being tricked via lies is a lil different than a girl being tricked via mind altering effects.
Elijah Edwards
>unexplainable and undeniable attraction >hello mother You would think at least ONE person working on this would have looked at this page and said "Uh, isn't this crossing a line somewhere?"
Bentley Evans
Bumpity dumpity.
Jaxon Cook
>She was mind-controlled *to* consent. So....she was coerced *to* cooperate? Yeah, totally not rape.
Aiden Lopez
Thanks Shooter.
Lincoln Barnes
The thing is, Carol was pretty passive during Avengers 200. The annual was basically Claremont subliminally telling the writers "what the fuck were you thinking!?" And Claremont is know for his freaky fetishes, so if he was appalled, then that tells you how fucked up that story was.
Luke Brown
So how is Kang Dynasty a pallete cleanser? I straight up stopped reading once Marcus showed up. I have the omni on my shelf, but I just can't be bothered.
Xavier Carter
If you have to construct a second unrelated scenario to halfass some apologetics, it was probably rape.
Mason Allen
It's not the same Marcus. It's Kang's son who looks like this Marcus because Kang and Immortus are the same person and thus they'd logically have similar-looking sons. They both have the same because Kang and Immortus share a past and have an affinity for the name.
Kayden Ward
Poor Carol, she's been through so much.
Julian Wright
So less a palate cleanser and more completely pointless reminder of and call back to one of the worst stories ever, then?
Jacob Kelly
The palate cleanser comes from the interactions he has with Carol.