Shows spends dozens of episodes building up to reveal rose killed pink diamond

>shows spends dozens of episodes building up to reveal rose killed pink diamond
>it becomes a major plot point and a big part of steven's character
>wait no she didn't kill anyone she just told everyone she did for some reason lolololo
>sufags eat it up and say it's great writing

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i'm honestly just hoping it is her and that zircon was really just trying to defend steven the best she could. Rebecca better not screw this up.

>>sufags eat it up and say it's great writing
But everyone hates Steven Universe. Even the people who watch it. Sup Forums hated it. Tumblr hates it. It's over.

This is actually 100% true. Everyone is slowly but surely turning on Steven Universe.

You know that's not how it's going to go. The show treated Zircon's theories like gospel so Rose is going to be innocent one way or another.

You're all idiots

I just want to see how the story ends now.

>rose did shatter pink
>only because pink asked rose to do it
>cause (insert random anti-feminist reason here)

waiting to hear they're doing golgo 13: the professional as the basis for the whole thing.

suicide by assassin

>implying

Rose has to be guilty at least somewhat. Otherwise the entire arc where Steven tried to justify his mother's actions and come to terms with them has been a waste of time.

Steven became jaded with the myth of Rose and then discovered that Rose didn't have a grand scheme for him to follow. Now he must forge his own destiny. His first step was to establish a mole on Homeworld to build up an interstellar armada.

You are so fucking dumb, it's been clear that Pearl did it since the Ruby speech when you couldn't see Pearl's face for a second. Everyone is laughing at how you don't get stories.

>yellow diamond tried to shatter pink and blame it on the rebel rose because the ensuing political drama would give her more power
>Fails and ends up cracking her, making her corrupted
>Rose uses her healing powers to turn her into lion
>Tells the gems she killed her because reasons
>Pink is now on Rose's side because she was reduced to nothing and the only reason she's back is because of rose, just like every other member of the gems
>Will morph back into pink diamond when Steven uses Rose's Power of Love™

I mean, what

>told everyone
I thought she was framed.

>muh pink diamond was in on it theory
>muh rose is innocent and pearl did it theory
Pearl already has enough issues, turning her into the killer of PD does nothing for her character. Meanwhile the problem with Rose's character is the show makes her out to be a perfect goddess, choosing to betray her ideals and shatter another gem was what was needed to develop her character. making her innocent destroys that character development.
>muh lion is pink diamond theory
The Crystal Gems don't believe she was framed.

The lion theory is obscenely stupid and predictable.

That's why I know it's what the crewniverse have planned

The Lion theory has been debunked though in the recent episodes.

pink diamond fake her death .

>Meanwhile the problem with Rose's character is the show makes her out to be a perfect goddess, choosing to betray her ideals and shatter another gem was what was needed to develop her character
Not the user you're talking to but perfect how?
She treated humanity like a pet project and Earth like a nature reserve
Either had no respect for or was terrible at noticing the feelings of others (Pearl and her love, Greg and his need for her respect)
Bubbled Bismuth then told no one about it because it would have made her look bad.
Kept Pearl in complete agony, somewhere between friend and slave by never defining their relationship (Lel, I'm sure she can work it out and her natural inclinations towards servitude of the strong won't cause any problems with her following me #genius)
Only really learned to 'get' humanity once Greg called her out on the fact she treated him like a puppy rather than a person.
Didn't really save the Earth since the cluster and shit, got a hell of a lot of gems killed/shattered/corrupted.
And then Peace out'd leaving all this shit dumped on the laps of those she loved and was meant to care for including her own son just because it was what she wanted.

Rose was all in all a bit of a fuck up basically with 'well she meant well' being her only real defense.

>>shows spends dozens of episodes building up to reveal rose killed pink diamond

It's pretty obvious that she never did it. There's too much contradictory evidence that was around long before the "reveal". Most people think the Bismuth episode was a hint that Rose hid the darker parts of the war from the other gems, but what you really should have taken away from that episode is that you shouldn't take everything you're told at face value.

Why is it bad? The only bad thing from that is that it's not yet explained why Rose just took the part for whatever fucking reason. It's a good swerve that shows that the Diamond Authority isn't all that united.

Well said user. Rose fucking sucked. Honestly her saving the Earth was probably more a version of
>"No one said Jotaro Kujo was a nice guy..."

If anything Bismuth proved that Rose wasn't even willing to kill a murderous communist that tried to do her over her irrational hatred of the bourgeois.
And lets be honest, if she wasn't willing to give Bismuth a free helicopter ride, she probably wasn't willing to kill anyone given the chance.

Protip: if the worst interpretation of a character you can come up with is that they're a bit shallow then that character isn't flawed enough.

>There's too much contradictory evidence that was around long before the "reveal".
Like?

Rose being remembered for her sword, even though her sword is a non-lethal gem weapon for example.

Gems can be cracked by getting hit with rocks or stepped on, if you think a fucking sword couldn't shatter one you're retarded.

Not 'a bit shallow' user.
Entirely incapable of love as humans know it.
Rose Quartz was basically that fucking insane eco warrior that blows up a cattle farm because cows are people too and fuck people who need to eat meat.
Except in this case she then moved in with the cows who actually are people too and then continued to treat them like cows.
Basically Rose was a magnificent and flaming hypocrite who never really respected humanity, she just saw us as an adorable point of principal to stand on.
And in doing so didn't so much save lives as choose one type of life over another.

Actually it's specifically pointed out several times that Roses sword is specifically designed not to shatter gems, across several episodes.
Highlight attention was given to the fact.

The fact that a sword does not shatter gems is literally stated in the show by the person who made it. Thinking otherwise is plain denial.

>Actually it's specifically pointed out several times that Roses sword is specifically designed not to shatter gems, across several episodes.
Which episodes?

the same happened to zim but eventually we all will come around to enjoying what it was

Bismuth
>Bismuth I designed this sword for a fair fight. It can cut through a Gem's physical form in an instant! Destroying the body, but never the Gem.
steven-universe.wikia.com/wiki/Bismuth_(episode)/Transcript

*the sword

>It's character development if the character does something completely contradictory to their beliefs

What

It is. That means the character is certain circumstances would bend around their beliefs if necessary.

Then why is there hype for new episodes?

first, Rose is against shattering gems, to the point where her weapon is incapable of it. Second, previous episodes showed that the diamonds were willing to do unsavory things to their own (horrible gem amalgamations, the weapon that corrupted the gems on earth). We also know that this was Pink's first colony, and later episodes revealed that she was a bit of an oddball and valued life like Rose did (the human zoo).

There were more hints that it was another diamond than Rose.

All she's saying is that the sword was primarily designed to destroy bodies while the Breaking Point is primarily designed to break gems. The idea that Rose's Sword was incapable of breaking gems under any circumstances is taking her words too literally.

Nigger, do you even read?
>But *NEVER* the Gem
Not 'Maybe sometimes the Gem if it's a Tuesday or if you hit it just right'
Literally never. Bismuth might be a filthy communist but she knew her shit and her shit was designing a sword that always poofed and never shattered in this case.
Or are we now ignoring direct stated canon coming from the person that designed and made the damned thing because it doesn't fit with personal theory?

>Pearl did it

That's even more retarded

Pink Diamond's Pearl did it.

>rose would never shatter a gem
>one of rose's swords couldn't shatter gems so rose could never shatter a gem
>the diamonds were mean so they killed PD
>PD had to be killed because she was different(because we know BD and YD are practically twins)
>there were many more hints I just don't feel like naming now

People use language like that all the time, it doesn't mean Rose literally couldn't destroy a gem if it was laying on the ground and she hit it with all her might.

>Puff Pink Diamond
>Bubble her gem
>Teleport it away
>??????
>Profit

If PD had been bubbled, her gem would be at the temple.

Or Rose hid her.

user there meming.
Only loud spastics are mad at SU.
On Tumblr its because its not progressive enouth and here its because its not an action show! or other dumb shit like that.
SU is still wildly loved by most who view it.

>Rose did to it, but she didn't shatter her, she just poofed her, Pink Diamond still exists, probably in the chest that is inside Lion
God that'd be a cop out.
Interesting if Pink returned maybe.
But a fucking cop out.

Not necessarily. Bismuth wasn't

It doesn't "not shatter gems" it wasn't intended to be used to shatter gems.

>God that'd be a cop out.

Would you be surprised?

>SU is still wildly loved by most who view it.
Such as? Reddit and YouTube don't count.

I wish SU died during the pilot.
The world would be so much better off.

>wildly loved by most who view it.

Why would you watch it if you don't love it? To kill time?

To make fun of it.
SU is basically The Room of animation.

Why don't they count?
And even then most of tumblr and yes even big chunk of this site loves it.
Why do you think it gets a thread almost every few hours?

>Why don't they count?
If you don't know why, you need to go back.

So your just shitposting then?

The same reason people watch bad movies

To watch Redlettermedia make fun of it?

The fact that it doesn't shatter gems was already established as a literary device. Ignoring it would make no sense from the storytelling perspective.

That's what your supposed to do on Sup Forums. Also
>implying SU fags don't shitpost in other threads

>Show needs an anti-feminist reason to kill Pink Diamond
The gems are fucking insane. I don't know if you've noticed this, but they're like dysfunctional, broken people trying their best to act like humans. They're designed for specific functional purposes and aren't whole.

Pink Diamond was probably also broken and insane, and hell-bent on some obsession to the point it ate her alive from the inside out. Basically like most of the other characters. Why do you think the Crystal Gems went straight to worshiping and idolizing Rose immediately after she "freed" them? Because they all believed she'd give them new purpose, and they don't know how to function independently.

SeeWhat Bismuth was saying was that Rose asked her to make a weapon to easy poof Gems and not shatter them by accident. However the sword is strong enough to shatter if that is the intention. It's the same principle if someone made a really good baseball bat to hit baseballs and says "this is for hitting balls and never people" but then someone uses it to hit someone in the head. Even if it wasn't Rose it's likely it was someone disguised as Rose using her sword.

It wasn't until the trial that it was mentioned that Rose used a sword to shatter Pink Diamond. We were made to think she used the breaking point or something

>However the sword is strong enough to shatter if that is the intention.
Is it though? Was it stated in the show or is it just your headcanon?

The sword is strong enough to break through Jasper's helmet, Gems can be cracked just by being stepped on. It can be inferred that a forward thrust to a gem could indeed break it considering that the breaking point was literally just a metal spike.

Eyeball claimed what she remembered Rose Quartz weapon to be was her sword.
>inb4 Rubies
True, Rubies aren't the most credible sources, but it was enough for some anons to see a wee bit of suspicion. Even though I totally though Rose used the Breaking Point.

I don't think she ever said she used it at that moment though. She just said she remembered Rose's sword and shield

It didn't break though. The helmet blocked the blow, even though the blow had enough force to poof the mounted corrupted gem.

Eyeball didn't believe Steven was Rose because he didn't have her sword.

Eyeball didn't know jack about the shield. When Steven summoned it, she still was not convinced that Steven had her powers. All she knew and remembered was the sword.

Doesn't that not make sense because every other gem thought it was the other way around and thought there's no way Steven could NOT be Rose?

Eyeball had been already duped by Steven a couple of times before. In Bubbled, when Steven claimed he was Rose Quartz, Eyeball didn't believe him since she thought he was lying as before.

why do people assume rose used her sword when she could've used another?

I just want this show to get to the point already.

It's possible. We've yet to see Rose wielding other swords though.

The Breaking Point?

do you guys know how the application of force works?

you don't use a sword to shatter hard rocks, that's fucking retarded. you crush it, you don't slash it, you don't stab it. you crush it.

Now hold up a moment.
The only thing established its that PDs death as we know it is shady.
2 things could happen
>rose didnt kill PD
In which case,yeah,fuck this show. OR
>rose killed PD with the help of external forces
Maybe YD helped her kill PD for unknown reasons.

Rose never told anyone she killed PD. It seems like everyone just assumed it for some reason. Jasper herself is convinced that they witnessed it first hand. She's so convinced that she wanted to kill Steven over it.

>Maybe YD helped her kill PD for unknown reasons.

She's an evil control freak bitch.

I mean Amethyst cracked her gem on a rock but since Bismuth expressly states that the sword never destroyed the gem we have to believe that.

Jasper might have witnessed it first hand.
In which case we now know how Jasper is going be justified in returning.

You realize it's going to be Pearl who shattered Pink Diamond, right?

No its not

>Lars finally gets character development that could result in him acting differently and changing his dynamic with the cast of the show
>write him out immediately and seperate him from all the characters he had previous relationships with

why does everyone like space pirate lars so much? It's lazy as shit, he might as well have stayed dead because that would actually impact the status quo a little bit. Now he's just on some permanent action hero vacation.