Would this show get less hate if Steven wasn't in the show at all and it was just the Crystal Gems?

Would this show get less hate if Steven wasn't in the show at all and it was just the Crystal Gems?

Relatedly, would it get less hate if Steven was a cute girl who otherwise acted identically?

No, it would get different hate.

Reminder SU was in the Snyder era, if it was an all-girl show, it wouldn't last as long.

Verily, if Steven took some shonen cues and grew a backbone while still being caring, I'd like him and the show better. He doesn't need to be an Ed Elric, but give the kid a fuse, at least

But who would replace Steven as the human that brings them together/makes them more understanding?

Greg?

Probably.
The whole "doesn't age because he's emotionally an eight year old despite being 14" thing, might be slightly less annoying if he was a girl.

I guess, but Pearl would hate on Greg all the time so it would end up ruining the understanding dynamic.

So he'd be Mabel with magic powers, essentially?

I just want more interaction and banter with the gems

I don't even care about the off-model shit, just give me the gems acting like a dysfunctional family

No it would get less hate if Steven changed through the seasons.

Hell look at Rebels. Ezra gets older, get scars, changes his hairstyle, and matures as a character.

Steven can now jump good and cries more often. There is so much wasted potential
>Learning more about his mom can harden him, make him doubt his own convictions
>Make him double in on himself and hone his skills when the others aren't looking
>Take it upon himself to protect everyone, and be so forceful even the Crystal gems are afraid of him

Naw. Mabel is an egocentric moron who goes nowhere in terms of growing up and is never taking responsibility. Steven is, while childish, turning into a capable leader and understanding emotional core of the team.
Mabel caused the apocalypse by being selfish. Steven talked a doomsday device out of exploding Earth and turned himself in to the enemy in order to shield his friends.

So would Star be a more fitting comparison to this hypothetical female Steven?

Here is your daily Two Minutes Hate, Sup Forums

The show would get less hate if every third episode didn't look like complete shit.

If they just stayed on model and stop looking like every 2nd episode is a porn parody maybe people would not complain so much.

Well, women are expected to act like morons, so why not?

It would get less hate if you stopped making "would this show get less hate if X" threads.

This is my first, though.

I don't think you want Steven to grow up, you want him to turn Sith.
If you think Steven is chipper all the time because he's a dolt, you haven't seen Storm in the Room or Mindful Education. He is acting happy to improve group cohesion and protect his family from his inner turmoil.
Connie is the only one who has yet seen into his mindscape and was terrified by the daemons that haunt him, the guilt he loads unto himself.

No.

However, it WOULD be better if Steven wasn't in the show at all and it was just 70's Anime Space Pirate Lars and his ragtag crew of off-colors trekking across the galaxy kicking evil Gem ass.

More like Moon. If Moon wasn't regal and condescending.

ah yes, lets return to the filmation and dic golden age of animation

How to fix steven universe

>all episodes last 22 mintues instead of 11 minutes
>less melodrama from all characters

No one sane wants to watch a show about a bunch of lesbian rocks, unless maybe they're having sex on screen.

No.
It would be less hated if Reblacked had her crew in check instead of letting them do whatever they want with the characters.

>last Steven thread gets archived
>another one is made
IT NEVER ENDS

no, there is no way to make the show less hated, since most of the hatred just comes from contrarians who hate the show for being popular in the first place

I think the show would get less hate if it was the "No Room for Greg" prequel to Steven Universe.

The ironic part is Sup Forums blames Steven for crying too much, yet thats what Sup Forums does 24/7

Except it isn't consistent. One episode, he's conflicted by his guilt, the next he's happy go lucky, doing stupid shit in a filler episode.

Two of them are having sex onscreen constantly though.

Steven's like the best character though .

Oh God
Not an entire thread
The horror

You mean professional and to standard

Probably. Steven is such a shit MC.

Why do they go on and on about him crying at the slightest thing. Last time I remembered that he cried in pure angst (not at Lars' death because his tears can bring back the dead) was when he realized that he couldn't come to terms of him poofing Bismuth, unable to save Jasper and that one Ruby goon, and the realization that his mom is a war criminal who ended up starting a war.

Well he's supposed to man up guise!!

It pisses me the fuck off that they're going to backpedal on Steven's mom being a war criminal, completely erasing the importance of Steven coming to terms that his mother wasn't a good person because it turns out it was all a fucking lie! This show fucking sucks. I guess they realized that they couldn't make Rose a good person when she's objectively a murderer and a criminal.

>they are going to ruin Lars just so he can go back to Beach City
>they show Lars of the Stars but will never show his progression to that point.

they finally make a male character not shit for a while and I already know it is going to get wasted.

Because he does it so much. Doesn't matter what the why is.

>Why do they go on and on about him crying at the slightest thing.
Cause Sup Forums really wants to hate SU, yet can't really figure out a way to approach it. So it resorts to "he cries a lot", "SJWs" etc.

>i have no ideas for my show, AGAIN
>i'll just steal shit from that animu i saw when i was young, AGAIN
just another hard day of work of a storyboarder

Yes, and also way less attention

I'm never going to not be disappointed they didn't use that birthday episode as an excuse to age him up like the promotional material had left people thinking it would.

They went out of their way to establish that he has magical powers that allow him to physically age at the rate that he mentally and emotionally ages. But then they give him a whole bunch of development but refuse to allow him to visibly change. I'm certain that at this point his design is still childish because that look is more marketable, and they're letting that directly contradict the development he's had and the rules that they themselves set down. If anything they're using this power as a bullshit excuse to keep him stagnating in the same 8 year old design indefinitely while time passes in the show, which sucks.

There's actual reasons why the show is bad. For example, all the interesting shit constantly happens off screen or is alluded to having happened. All the "big and exciting shit" is just revelations about the past. Like that court episode that everybody liked so fucking much. All it did was hint that somebody might have lied about an event that happened thousands of years ago. And Lars? Couldn't make him a good character without completely developing his character OFF SCREEN because they couldn't figure out how to do it organically in a way that makes sense. And the show is so damn split on what it wants to be. Is it slice of life? Is it action? Is it a space opera? They just don't know how to focus and this makes the story progression feel really fucking irregular because right when you think things will pick up the story just screeches to a fucking halt. It's bullshit.

The only way they can redeem this plot twist of Rose being framed is for Pearl to be Pink Diamond's murderer.

Only waifufags would say yes.

And people who really hate fat ugly children.

Well said user

This. I want more people like you user.

Yes but the show would be shit as a result. Like always Sup Forums thinks they can fix a show's problems but they don't even know what they are.

...

This is what you do when you realize that the internet community could hype up anything with only scraps for fuel. Just tell them something cool might have happened, show that it might have happened, and watch how people would praise it. Just look at Dark Souls.

>you just hate it for no reason!
>user gives reasons
>THAT DOESN'T COUNT
c l a s s y

>ugly
It's a cartoon, you autist.

>For example, all the interesting shit constantly happens off screen or is alluded to having happened. All the "big and exciting shit" is just revelations about the past
Yeah remember that flashback where Steven confronted the diamonds escaped from their grasp met gems living as outcasts Lars died and came back and they discovered his hair functions as a portal just like Lion's.
Or that time Steven and the gems were kidnapped by Peridot and Jasper but then suddenly they were back on Earth and they just explained how they got back to earth instead of showing it.
Fucking SU all it is is flash backs.

>user cherry picks all bad aspects
>completely ignores all the good ones
>claims the show is shit
c l a s s y

An ugly cartoon you double autist.

>all the good ones

Why would he pick good aspects if he wants to say that the show is bad?

Because several bad aspects don't make a show complete shit.

>All the good aspects
*crickets*
Good aspects such as what, user?

>you have to be angsty and brooding all the time to mature

So he's just pretending to be dark and mature, just like he did with his girlfriend when he said he doesn't want to see her anymore. He's actually an idiot.

>Like that court episode that everybody liked so fucking much. All it did was hint that somebody might have lied about an event that happened thousands of years ago.

Because it would have ruined the twist if they did?

The writing wouldn't be any better, just different.

It's about having a consistent personality. You can't expect people to care when he's really hurt if he's not going to show any effects of it come next episode

Let's play a fun game, name a specific show that you think has better writing than Steven Universe.

I can't tbqh. Most western cartoons have really low tier writing.

Alright then, name ANYTHING with perfect writing.

Its yet another "Why is Steven so fat and crying thread"
Do you fags have anything better to do?

>It's about having a consistent personality.

Except he does have one. You guys seem to think a personality is one emotion no matter the situation. When things are normal he is happy and silly, when shit gets serious he does. And during it all Steven tries to be empathetic and to help others.

God damn that pic is horrifying

IMO Vampire: the Masquerade - Bloodlines

If he's an idiot for not knowing how to handle exposing her to gem antics after seeing his father almost a heart attack, I guess so.

>It's a traced Junji Ito image
No.
I would like to agree but it's fucking unfinished.

The trial episode was mostly Steven sitting around with no plan whining, "I'M ROSE!" over and over. The only thing that made that episode interesting with Zircon confronting the Diamonds. Him escaping in the most limp-wristed way just made the Diamonds look incompetent as fuck.

Them escaping the gem droids was fine, but Lars death scene was really fucking flaccid. It could've been played up a bit more or at least giving us at least 30 seconds longer to actually THINK he's dead rather than dead -- ALIVE! in ten seconds flat.

Then all they did for the remainder of the episode was spend 10 minutes talking about how he has lion's powers now. The execution wasn't nearly as interesting as the idea.

And Jailbreak is consistently held up as one of the best episodes of SU and people wish more episodes were like it. And the fact that you have to go all the way back to SEASON ONE to try to prove a point when we're on fucking season five by now shows how absolutely lackluster this show has become.

It's a cry wolf scenario. Steven has cried over so much fucking petty shit in the past that when he cries over something legitimately worth crying about people are so fed up with it that they just want him to shut the fuck up.

gurren lagann, Little Witch Academia, Ed Edd N Eddy, Batman the Animated Series, Megas XLR, Yu Yu Hakusho, X-Men Evolution.

These are just the first shows that come to mind that I think are perfect. I didn't know if you wanted me to stick with western shows or not so I tried to split it 50/50.

Another thing that bothers me about the news Lars is the fact that he's pink now. Call it shallow, but Pink is just such an uncool and none threatening color. Lars is going to be stuck looking that forever. If I was him I'd wish for death.

>spends countless years and threads hating the show for stupid nonsensical reasons
>"Well here's some more reasons!"
>says things that aren't true
Most of that paragraphs is accusing the show of "never" doing things that it actually does, such as having major exciting events or showing Lars' development onscreen.

And while it might make you feel smug and defended now, we both know it's not going to stop the "it's a bad show because Social Justice Monsters want us all to be fat stupid emasculated faggots and cry all the time because they think crying solves every problem" hate thread assembly line from starting right back up the instant this thread is out of sight. And that's not going to stop people from posting another defensive attack when they're called out on their bullshit, either.

Any other character would have handled it in a less immature manner.

You stubborn Stevenspergs are worse than the horsemen fuckers.

>such as having major exciting events or showing Lars' development onscreen.
Because that doesn't happen. He reverts back to a whiny bitch in every episode he starred in. In fact, prior to him turning pink, he was shitting his pants at the mere sight of Topaz and ditched his girlfriend.

Then through the power of bad writing, he became a selfless hero who is capable of stealing ships from high-tech aliens. He even apparently was successful in a stealth mission where he stole the "clothes" off of a light-construct even though clothes are attached to gems bodies, but hey, anything to make Lars look cooler I guess.

As someone who doesnt watch the show, but lurks these threads, I have to say that I would probably watch this show if It explored is sci fi concepts a bit more. I hear this show is a LOT of character drama, which is the part of recent cartoons that I tend to hate.

I agree with this. Make him grow some balls. Take the fight to the enemy, shit on Lars when he's being a shit.

>SEASON ONE
How about the entire Cluster arc? That happened onscreen. The only thing that was relegated to historical allusions like you complained about is the thing being put in the planet in the first place, and we still actually got to see it.

And here we have someone without knowing the different between criticism and shitposting

I hear this show is a LOT of character drama
Yeah, that's about right

>Lars looks brave and heroic now
>once he gets back to town he'll revert back to the old selfish and pathetic Lars
That would be fucking hilarious.

>made the Diamonds look incompetent as fuck.

I never thought they were that competent to begin with. Their subjects treat them like gods, they rely on Sapphires to tell them what to do, and it is fuck easy to make a gem to defect.

Many other characters would have handled that situation worse.

See? I can do it too.

Makes me wonder why their subjects treat them like gods when they're so shit at their jobs. Surely their propaganda department can't be THAT good.

>capable of stealing ships from high-tech aliens. He even apparently was successful in a stealth mission where he stole the "clothes" off of a light-construct even though clothes are attached to gems bodies, but hey, anything to make Lars look cooler I guess.

When did this happen?

The Cluster arc is the most infamous of the series for being super anti-climatic. I can't say nothing happened off-screen because nothing happened at all. All the episodes where they were building the drill was background noise for plots like Peridot recording logs on a tape recorder or Garnet telling her backstory about how Ruby and Sapphire met. Didn't they even take a break from building the drill so Steven can celebrate his birthday?

There were very little plots or problems with building the drill itself. Hell, aside from Pearl and Peridot arguing, production went along quite swimmingly. And all that time spent building up the Cluster only for it to get resolved with a VERY boring conversation between Steven and it. And I'm not saying it should've awoken and destroyed the planet, but fuck, the dialogue and visuals could've been a hundred times better. Some of the best scenes in newest Jack were him talking to his Hallucination. Steven just whined about his head hurting and then suggested that Cluster should bubble itself and it ended all their problems.

And seasons later, we're still waiting for that shit to come back and be relevant.

>Because that doesn't happen.
It does, and it happens onscreen. Lars' character development has its ups and downs, because he has a stubborn personality and has difficulty changing, but it does happen, and it does have payoff.

>muh offscreen space pirate
Again, cherrypicking. There is one instance where his character changed radically offscreen, which is played as a joke, but that doesn't nullify all the time he spent in the previous episodes learning to stand up for himself and the people he cares about. And no, the fact that it was hard for him doesn't nullify it either; if he never really learned the lesson, that might be a point, but he did.

We saw it.

Onscreen.

Before the sudden shift you mentioned.

Which technically hasn't happened yet outside of leaks.

>Makes me wonder why their subjects treat them like gods

Cause they created them, it's only until someone makes them question that is when it falls apart.

>There is one instance where his character changed radically offscreen
Because no one changes at all. Amy still has episodes about feeling inferior. Pearl still can't get over Rose. Even though the gems change their clothes, their personalities keep reverting back to status quo.

And even if it's just "one" instance, it's one instance that is playing a major part in the story.

>which is played as a joke
That's even worse.

>but that doesn't nullify all the time he spent in the previous episodes learning to stand up for himself and the people he cares about
Just because he gave speeches at the end of his episodes doesn't mean he changed, because he was going through the same character arc in every episode he was in. It's Seth MacFarlane levels of "Character learns their lesson".

>Which technically hasn't happened yet outside of leaks.
That's insanely stupid.

>And seasons later, we're still waiting for that shit to come back and be relevant.

I'm not, it's resolved to me.