Couldn't they do one movie before Justice League? What's the rush?

Couldn't they do one movie before Justice League? What's the rush?

The next avengers that's what.

One billion USD is the rush.

Having to "set up" shit before you can have a movie is cancer.

And people like to conveniently forget this fact but aside from Iron Man, the other pre-Avengers MCU movies underperformed. People didn't care about the characters until they were in Avengers. That was the whole reason why Avengers was considered a risk in the first place-- people didn't turn out in droves to see the lead-ins, so would they go to see a movie that cost twice as much to make?

This, but also the way movie studios have been approaching shared universes is dumb as fuck, because rather than making their standalone movies able to stand on their own, they prop them up with lead-ins and continuity weight, where most of them serve only as precursors to the next big event movie.

Adding to that the fact that the only way the movies interact with each other other than wink-wink, nudge nudge references that grind the plot to a halt.

There is no rush faggot
You don't need 80 fucking movies beforehand to set up a team event movie
>hur HURRR but that's what navel does!!!!!!
Ok well we don't need 2 companies doing the same thing

But that's BvS in a nutshell. Are there even any Marvel movies that do that aside from IM2 and AoU?

Doing Suicide Squad instead of Flash or Aquaman was a mistake

>that's BvS in a nutshell

how? How is that in anyway like BvS? Did you even actually read what he said, or are you so full of company war autism that you just took the first opportunity you could to shit on Warners?

>Adding to that the fact that the only way the movies interact with each other other than wink-wink, nudge nudge references

Thats like the opposite of BvS, BvS is a direct sequal to the movie that came before it. The plot of BvS can only exist because of the events that happened before them. Which is completely fine. Its as much of a sequal as Empire is to New Hope. In that, you CAN watch them each on their own, they each give you the set up you need to enjoy the story, but they are infinitely better having seen the originals

eh, we'll see. I mean it was a bad movie, but in the grand scheme of things it added to showing us the hole left in the wake of Superman's demise and the enchantress stuff might tie into Darkseid's coming.

stop making sense

>>And people like to conveniently forget this fact but aside from Iron Man, the other pre-Avengers MCU movies underperformed
Sweet revisionist history, user.

But I guess we're going to pretend that those movies were supposed to hit a billion dollars or that Disney legitimately thought Avengers would get 1.5 billion in box office.

>Are there even any Marvel movies that do that aside from IM2 and AoU?
Have you seen current Marvel movies? All of them, even the ones that are supposed to be stand alone have shit this

Yeah, no go fuck yourself.

The standalone movies in phase 1, short of Shield, are very much stand alone. Shield is connective tissue to Avengers.

Guardians are the only characters in the MCU to actually interact with Thanos. It or its sequel has next to nothing to do with the earth characters so far.

Antman, short of one scene with Falcon, has next to nothing to do with the rest of the Civil War or the MCU.

Dr. Strange has an infinity gem. That's literally it.

Is this really what you're bitching about? Because then you're bitching about a shared universe in general, not the way they've approached it.

Age of Ultron and Iron Man 2 are literally the only movies out of 17 that have come out so far that are guilty of what you're saying.

Maybe you're just a moody cunt that wants to bitch about Marvel, especially when you're favorably looking on at BvS which literally stops in the middle of the movie to show you a nightmare sequence that literally has no point with the Flash or Wonder Woman looking at quicktime videos with logos on them, who's a shoe-horned in character to begin with at 16 lines yet prominently featured in marketing for a movie that LITERALLY has Dawn of Justice in the goddamn title to gear you up for BvS' sequel.

>how? How is that in anyway like BvS? Did you even actually read what he said, or are you so full of company war autism that you just took the first opportunity you could to shit on Warners?
Did you completely miss the mid-movie commercial for Aquaman, the Flash, and Cyborg? Did you miss the Steppenwolf tease in the Ultimate Edition?

I forgot Civil War. That's about it. And that one was actually good anyway.

Doctor Strange, Antman, Spiderman. Thor 2 and soon Thor 3

Literally right there he said
>Adding to that the fact that the only way the movies interact with each other other than wink-wink, nudge nudge references that grind the plot to a halt.

Try reading an entire post before making a massive tower of text in response to it. And the post said literally nothing about DC yet you for some reason projected that he MUST be some sort of DCfag.

He was saying that the belief that you have to "set up" movies and characters in advance is horseshit because aside from Iron Man 2, Cap and BvS none of them do jack shit to set things up, and those are the worst parts of the movie, in the case of BvS literally ruining the entire movie.

The problem with the MCU movies that that guy was trying to say is that they're all treated like they're part of one single franchise, with the same tone, writing and visual style, instead of making each one its own franchise.

>aquaman before jl = bomb
>cyborg before jl = bomb
>flash before jl = bomb

>jl before those movies
>WTF I LOVE AQUAMAN NOW
>WTF I LOVE CYBORG NOW
>WTF I LOVE FLASH NOW

Think about it, you get the strength of a team movie to test the waters and see how people feel about these characters. Then they have a reason to go and see these individual movies.

Marvel built up their universe slowly and took risks. DCEU can't and they really don't need to.

>Having to "set up" shit before you can have a movie is cancer.

Then don't make a cinematic universe in the first place.

It has less to do with what characters/teams of characters actually show up in the movie, and more whether the movie is actually good or not, because you can easily make a good standalone movie centered around virtually any character and have it work. Or, you can pull a DCEU and shit out multiple team-up/crossover films that suck dick. Or haven't you noticed how the most underperforming DC films BY FAR are the ensemble cast ones?

Not really. SS was a fairly big hit, struck while the iron was hot, etc. They would have been rushing Flash or Aquaman.

Think about how much merchandise SS/HarleyJoker has movied. A fuck ton.

If Aquaman had come out last year, or Flash, they almost certainly would have flopped.

>Dr. Strange has an infinity gem. That's literally it.
And the Thor stuff at the end.

And you're underplaying how important a connection it was to have Thanos in A1 and then GOTG1.

And you're forgetting Cap 3.

And you're downplaying how Black Widow debuted in the Iron Man franchise first.

And you're forgetting how things like Thor's hammer and frozen Cap (I think?) were tacked onto the end of previous films to build them up.

This stuff matters. It created hype and built a shared universe in people's minds without getting in the way of the movies.

And no I'm not a DC fanboy. Their movies are clearly worse than Marvel's on average.

As others have pointed out, what worked for Marvel isn't the only way to do it. And Phase 1 of Marvel only had Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, and Cap getting origin movies. Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman have theirs and Suicide Squad did as well.

So did you want origin movies for Aquaman, Flash, and Cyborg? Do they really need their own movies first?

I love how everyone just concedes that BvS was Batman's movie.

The issue isn't set up.
The problem is not selling people on the stuff they're doing. You want to kill Superman in the second movie? Fine. But you better make sure people grew attached to him in the first one, or they're not gonna care he's gone. And they're not gonna care when you bring him back for the third one.
The DCEU isn't even really bad. It's just meh. And in a lot of ways that's worse.